Theraputic Phlebotomy Blood Donation

Donate Blood/Therapeutic Phlebotomy

Hey guys, wanted to share my experience a little on what I know from top of my head from my past research.

First let's talk about blood. When we do a complete blood count we get measured amounts of blood per area of volume. Red blood is the main one I will talk about and I will only be vague. Heme is a part of red blood gives it color and ability to hold iron and carry oxygen.

We have hemoglobin it contains most of our body's iron with rest of iron stored up in some organs. The more hemoglobin we have to better we get oxygen to cells and we are obviously not short on iron or iron poor blood. Normal ranges for men are around 13.5-17.0 at most labs.

Hematocrit is the % of red blood the ratio to all other blood. Normal levels are normally 45% for men.

Now it's good to have red blood it prevents anemia's and more of it can help us to breathe more oxygen carrying capacity, better cardio and endurance. But at same time thick blood, harder for heart to pump. Getting dehydrated can give a stroke or heart attack highly at risk.

So let's talk about steroids. All of anabolic steroids will cause some stimulation of red blood production some more than others. Eq, Anadrol more than any other in my opinion. So if using anabolic steroids it's important for us to donate blood or get therapeutic phlebotomy if we can.

There are shortages of blood and having any steroids in our systems lieing to donate is a personal choice I will not give my opinion. But if someone needs blood for life or death as long as it doesn't have disease beggars can't be choosers. I also know that u can't go in there and say u use needles to pin your gear.....

My advice is to donate before cycle and after. If u wanna do it more like every 8 weeks that's up to u. I wanna live and if it can save someone then great!!!

I myself am on trt been on it almost 4 year's. I have had High red blood for some time. I no longer use eq never used drol and won't now for sure. I get an order to have therapeutic phlebotomy as often as every 3 weeks or as needed. At first for 4 months I was able to go as much as possible as needed to bring down 19.9 hemoglobin.

Then it change to 3 weeks and can bring it down as low as 13.0. Longest I ever went in 3.5 years was 7 weeks once. I can bring it down to under 13 from drawing at 13. But I have time to time and go alot at 3 weeks knock it down then I can go 5-6 weeks for a bit. Went to trt appointment in mid Jan CBC said I had 16.9. I went 3 weeks ago do phlebotomy and I was at 19 hemoglobin. I went again yesterday which was exactly 24 days hemo was at 15.9. I did phlebotomy will check again in 3 weeks.

Symptoms I have gotten over years when high. Higher bp, joint and tendon pain. Irritable, pressure in body, huge pumps working out but scary at same time. Endurance good but head aches and ringing in ears. I have kids that love me very much and me them. I have a wife and family that depends on me. I wanna live and be safe for my family. I still get high red blood on 100 mg week trt dose. I had it before getting on trt and had to bring it down before and hadn't juiced in 8 months. I never had this in my younger days. I am 40 and been using gear cycling on and off for 20 years counting my trt blast and cruise I do now. I can tell u that low dose deca under 400 is ok but above no. Eq at 200 stimulates way too much. Dbol low dose no problem, anavar stimulates it, testosterone under 750 not so bad for me. Tren not so much but can't handle more than 75 acetate eod. We all respond different!!!

Let's be safe and remember we all respond different!!!

There are many factors that cause red blood production associated with anabolic steroids. Hepicidin and iron absorbing or with holding for example.

Hope my experience can help someone. Thanks!!!

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I have used Anadrol since, and I have no issues with blood..
Mainly it's testosterone and hepiciden for me.
Also reason I use prop and pin daily, I went maybe 5-6 times past years, compared to 12.....

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In a few more weeks I can’t donate again. I do it often but not often enough. I’ve always had high hemoglobin and hemocrite even when I had low t and now on trt it is higher last time I have blood it was 19.3 i took your advice and made some changes. I stopped eating red meat and spinach. Not multi vitamin so we will see soon how well I’ve done I sure feel a lot better a couple weeks ago my blood pressure was 110/72 and my heart rate was also down I think 80 I’ve been trying to do a lot more hiit.

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In a few more weeks I can’t donate again. I do it often but not often enough. I’ve always had high hemoglobin and hemocrite even when I had low t and now on trt it is higher last time I have blood it was 19.3 i took your advice and made some changes. I stopped eating red meat and spinach. Not multi vitamin so we will see soon how well I’ve done I sure feel a lot better a couple weeks ago my blood pressure was 110/72 and my heart rate was also down I think 80 I’ve been trying to do a lot more hiit.

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Keep it up.
I even stopped the protien drink daily ritual
I havent mixed a protien drink at home in months..
I eat protien and carbs. I am not trying to get much bigger either. Only if I can stay lean and grow slow. I stopped mass bulking years ago..

I have noticed prop keeps red blood down more than high test e or c.

I also am running low trest ace only to keep test lower and still have high free test and high test feel and I do...
I am seeing if this helps.
For whatever reason short ester and hgh have helped. Also t3 and t4 I used 2x within this year. Weird thing is I only went to phlebotomy 5x this past year.
After 3x in 4 weeks though last August. I did this before and still had to go every 4-5 weeks. I ran t3/t4 for 12 weeks at least till December. Then from Febuary to June 25th. Was it linked. All vitals were perfect but tried t3/t4 other day and heart rate was 100-107 most of day.... lowered and still high.. shut that down fast..
I guess I never checked it until after thyroid sore throat and thyroid was then suppressed and doses helped right and gave more. At first with good thyroid it will be too much if course. Suppression was suspected with lethergy. Since I tried other day it was gone energy high. Then after stopping it's still up. Maybe I nudged thyroid??? Lol!!
This matters it's in topic alright, t3 will deliver oxygen to every cell. If oxygen lacking high red blood means body may be trying to get more oxygen to cells!!!!
People in mountains high elevations get them. And people with COPD!!
So maybe I am on to something.
But my adhd meds will mess with heart rate and especially with t3/t4.
U will test my levels and titrate slower if i start t3/4 again. It's hgh that has suppressed before. ..



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Wow, I didn’t know that. I agree that your on to something

Bumping some threads on remedies to RBC Counts being too high for member dpile

I now found using test prop on blast doesn't aggravate red blood as much as same mg total wk as test e or c. Trest ace low dose helps keep total test dose lower!!
Trest ace in combo to keep test wk Lower helped keep red blood down!!

I also noticed on hgh if I feel suppressed with thyroid Novothyral t3 20mcg to t4 100mcg mix I don't have hemo issue even on Anadrol and deca with high test e.. more than once I did this and only did phlebotomy every 4 months and never over 16 hemo!!!

Wormwood, clove and black walnut hulls, they come in combo too. They helped me 2x... hemo went way down and iron storage was low in lab test. Dr put me on iron shot up in month. So no more iron when stores are lower I get no ussue...

Also DHB caused me to do 2 phlebotomy last 4 weeks so going back tomorrow do another. My order as needed!! Eq I can't use. But DHB I will use with Novothyral next blast hgh too of course...

Tren doesn't mess with my red blood at all with test prop and mast plus primo!!

But you gotta see a Dr to diagnose u with secondary polycythemia and being on TRT order allowed. Dr and blood bank need proper paperwork I been doing this 5 years....

Good luck, drink tons of water or lower test or try prop even trest ace... all above work for me!!!

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