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    Hey guys been here long time haven't posted in forever. Got a quick question for the experienced users out there.

    I have run 20 + cycles over the years with varied results (gonna be 43 this year) 5ft 9 245pounds currently.

    I am on TRT and have been for 2 years. Keep a TRT dose of 300mg a week.

    Wanting to add a little more this winter and got to thinking of a question I had years ago that I never asked.

    Is it better to run say 1gram of test a week, or run 600mg of test + 400mg of Deca? You still have a total of 1gram a week, but does the synergy of the 2 products produce better results vs just using big bad ole Test?


    I know it's always been advised to do both, but having used that cycle many years ago and to hear of so many test only cycles today with good gains I really dont know what is current today.


    Thanks for the advice
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    I would run test/deca combo as long as you have access. Either way a gram of either choice will definitely do the trick!!

    What kind of doctor did you find to let you run 300mg of T for TRT? Your test has to be off the charts...................20 years ago 300mg of test a week was a solid run all by itself!!
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    Ya 300 is cycle! My trt is 90mg week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris288 View Post
    Hey guys been here long time haven't posted in forever. Got a quick question for the experienced users out there.

    I have run 20 + cycles over the years with varied results (gonna be 43 this year) 5ft 9 245pounds currently.

    I am on TRT and have been for 2 years. Keep a TRT dose of 300mg a week.

    Wanting to add a little more this winter and got to thinking of a question I had years ago that I never asked.

    Is it better to run say 1gram of test a week, or run 600mg of test + 400mg of Deca? You still have a total of 1gram a week, but does the synergy of the 2 products produce better results vs just using big bad ole Test?


    I know it's always been advised to do both, but having used that cycle many years ago and to hear of so many test only cycles today with good gains I really dont know what is current today.


    Thanks for the advice
    I get higher red blood hemoglobin build up with test alone over 600wk
    And add on not as bad for myself.
    Like test deca combo BUT I Gotta keep diet and hiit training with deca or I bloat!!
    I use mast with deca and test and it helps alot but 600-700 mast a week an expense but worth it for myself to avoid bloat and fight deca dick!!

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    Hey guys thanks for the advice. I go to Low T center. They are across the country.

    Last labs were Total Test was 925 at that dose. I tried a couple Docs before, but they prescribed like 150mg a week.

    Other than 300mg I take Anastrozole 2 half tabs a week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris288 View Post
    Hey guys thanks for the advice. I go to Low T center. They are across the country.

    Last labs were Total Test was 925 at that dose. I tried a couple Docs before, but they prescribed like 150mg a week.

    Other than 300mg I take Anastrozole 2 half tabs a week.
    Well it looks like u need more test as I know some that do. I have seen a guy on 400 test cyp a week TRT with good high level #s. He said it took years for his body to metabolize it different I guess and need more for blood levels...

    What I don't know is if u would need more gear at higher doses as well???
    But see how u respond and go from there.


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    Dam that’s a fantastic trt dosage ! I am prescribed 300mg testosterone cypionate every 10 to 14 days

    i personally would use two different steroids instead of a gram of testosterone which is crazy high. That’s actually a young mans game there brutha! I can’t think of any reason why guys our age need to use a gram of testosterone per week aside from being a professional athlete

    I’m guessing with you being 43 yrs old with 20+ steroid cycles under your belt then you likely are in good shape all the time and have already built your bodies foundation so two compounds for sure! I would do more anabolic less androgenic steroids, and as u said look for that synergy between compounds
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    Thanks again for the advice n responses. Yup Presser agree a lot changes in the 40's.

    Much more cautious than I used to be

    The 300mg keeps me just slightly under the legal limit, so for my body on TRT it works perfectly. Have another Dr that with prescribed HGH, but oh wow cant afford that. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris288 View Post
    Thanks again for the advice n responses. Yup Presser agree a lot changes in the 40's.

    Much more cautious than I used to be

    The 300mg keeps me just slightly under the legal limit, so for my body on TRT it works perfectly. Have another Dr that with prescribed HGH, but oh wow cant afford that. LOL
    Get the script for the HGH then if you can find a good generic you are golden. Your legal and it doesn't cost a fortune.
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    Great information.
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    WOW, Muscle Mechanic, Presser, Yellow Snow, Drtbear. That's like the Mt. Rushmore for this kind of info.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by dpile View Post
    WOW, Muscle Mechanic, Presser, Yellow Snow, Drtbear. That's like the Mt. Rushmore for this kind of info.
    Lol MT. Rushmore is eroding and old , why can't we be a new cool hip landmark lol or like the fab four lol
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    Yes that is a better one. I'm sure I'm older that all of you. I wish I knew half as much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dpile View Post
    Yes that is a better one. I'm sure I'm older that all of you. I wish I knew half as much.
    I would give away half my knowledge if I could give back half my lifetime, or at least the last 20 years lol and tell my 20 year old self to run like hell when you see the hot Spanish chick in the gym,

    How old r you bro
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    52 this month. I just got "involved" about 2 yrs ago. Got a lot of great help on this site, and met some great people, muscle mechanic, mountain man, you, drtbear, just to name a few. You have been a big help with nolva bloat, anti-p liquid dex. You gave me a great deal. Thanks again. I grew up in south jersey (Millville) Played football, wrestling, baseball. lifted to some degree or another since I was very young. Just trying to keep the reaper off me.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by dpile View Post
    Got a lot of great help on this site, and met some great people, muscle mechanic, mountain man, you, drtbear, just to name a few.
    Agreed. These are good people.

    And this is why I love this board so much. The arrogance is nil and the knowledge is high.
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    I blast and cruise.
    Keep in mind this works for me. These dosages are not recommended unless you have some time running gear. Running something like this in the beginning and it will most likely cause estro and prolactin issues and you will need Prami or caber.
    I no longer need prami because I know how to manage my estro through experience and bloodwork. Blood donation as well.
    Also with time I can now handle higher dosages with less AI.

    I pin long ester EOD because it causes a buildup due to ester. More bang for the buck.

    My typical blast is far lower. I run this once a year.
    My sweet spot is: 12 wks
    Deca Frontload 900mg/wk first 3 weeks.

    Test E brewed 300mg/ml @ 390mg EOD (1.3ml)
    Deca brewed 300mg/ml @ 210mg EOD (0.7ml)
    12mg Aromasin EOD
    10mg Cialis ED

    Last 4 weeks
    Drop Test E and Deca dosages both to 420mg/wk.
    Add Tren A 80mg ED (First 5 days 100mg ED)

    If I don't drop Test dosage, adding Tren at that dose will cause mild acne breakout on shoulders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plate Smacker View Post
    I blast and cruise.
    Keep in mind this works for me. These dosages are not recommended unless you have some time running gear. Running something like this in the beginning and it will most likely cause estro and prolactin issues and you will need Prami or caber.
    I no longer need prami because I know how to manage my estro through experience and bloodwork. Blood donation as well.
    Also with time I can now handle higher dosages with less AI.

    I pin long ester EOD because it causes a buildup due to ester. More bang for the buck.

    My typical blast is far lower. I run this once a year.
    My sweet spot is: 12 wks
    Deca Frontload 900mg/wk first 3 weeks.

    Test E brewed 300mg/ml @ 390mg EOD (1.3ml)
    Deca brewed 300mg/ml @ 210mg EOD (0.7ml)
    12mg Aromasin EOD
    10mg Cialis ED

    Last 4 weeks
    Drop Test E and Deca dosages both to 420mg/wk.
    Add Tren A 80mg ED (First 5 days 100mg ED)

    If I don't drop Test dosage, adding Tren at that dose will cause mild acne breakout on shoulders.
    For me, high Test adds more quality mass.
    I have ran Tren E @800mg/wk and various combinations with higher Deca, or NPP than Test.
    Having Test high works better.
    This is most likely due to my diet being pretty clean as well.

    I can run Test E alone @1300mg and get awesome results. If I use lower AI and allow higher estrogen, joints feel great and added small amount of water retention keeps me strong and pumped.
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    Im with the higher testosterone than other stacked compounds for sure! 800 mg trenbolone enanthate would kill me , and hopefully it would kill me before i killed anyone! lol
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    Are you prone to progestin gyno? That is the main question.
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    Also if you are going to run a progestin like Deca I strongly recommend reversing the doses, i.e. 600mg deca 400 test.
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    I use test Lower than everything except deca. And with deca I can use equal to test with cabar in mix!!!

    I knocked it until I tried it, the lower test!! All sides from any other steroid is worse with test higher. Test aromatase is what make sides worse.

    With tren and test lower it's amazing I don't wanna kill anybody or myself!! If too much test that is it!! Same with EQ no anxiety with lower test.

    Blood pressure higher test!! My bp perfect on tren if i use 525-700 tren ace week and around 300-350 test a week! If I match test with tren or even try test p at 100 a day and tren ace at 50 a day impossible makes me irritable, impatient and jaw clinch with high bp....

    I have found that test needed at 200-400 wk max and benifit from other compounds running higher. Other than that of test high i just stick with test. Why I don't just stick with high test??? Because sides too bad with only high test, add something else androgenic and then I am ready to fight and can't even live without littlest thing eating at me!!!

    So my option is stacking is to avoid sides of test. Tren is a tool used in cutting or size but higher test sides start. Yes tren makes flat with Lower test, so add in primo or anavar and no more flat and no killing..



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    For the op if it takes u that much test TRT I would add something besides test because test isn't working to it's best if it takes that much for u!!

    Also I have learned for example, that 700 wk of test is 700 wk of test no matter what!!! We not Gonna over power or counter sides with more test or kill test with anything else!!! Every other steroid with test gives us higher test active from any dose of test!!!

    And if reason for stack is to avoid sides from just straight test then benifit from less aromatase compound and run enough test 300 a week plenty with tren. Tren 500 androgenic it's not Gonna be over powered by test at all. Aromatase and estro high alone gives high bp, insomnia and anxiety with the attitude of a woman on rag. High test with tren gives same as woman a week before period estro and progest hormones both on rise that is mood issue they get!!!
    I had gave up tren until I tried it at lower test to tren!!!

    For me it's simple!!! U wanna bulk test and deca
    U wanna cut low test to tren
    U wanna confuse a bulk and cut with each other use tren and high test
    Tren is a cutting steroid period!!! It's got a way of burning fat and keeping muscle

    I see the confusion with wanting a bulk with tren to stay lean!! Lmao!! That is what diet is for.
    And a lean bulk.

    The best choices out there are slow and more expensive than most willing to pay. They called anavar and primo plus test and lean bulk is happening without more aromatase or sides!! DHB is proving to be awsome but pinning everyday to avoid pip necessary.

    The way I honestly can tell u what I learned is this... these are perfect but cost more.
    Test needed of course
    Primo 525-700wk
    Mast 400-700wk
    DHB 400-600wk
    Anavar 50-75mg a day and real Anavar I can run forever with no issues labs good lipids HDL remain in upper 20s
    Proviron 50-75mg a day
    And HGH 3-5IU a day 99% purity generics
    MT2 tan with no skin cancer!!
    IGF lr3
    Cialis 5-10mg a day

    I don't need nothing else just what's listed!!! With hgh all gear works better!!
    That is my honest opinion based on experience. I have changed and it's from those listed!!!
    Cost and pinning that is only side and I rather a little pip that goes away after a week from DHB than estro sides and high bp and red blood.

    So there is my combos that in my opinion make all other gear not needed unless trying to grow. But if so high test and DHB are producing gaining body transformations for guys getting pro cards....



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    Those with a higher sensitivity to progestegenic gyno symptoms I would recommend a very low test amount. Some where in the low TRT zone. My guinea pig experienced extreme bloating and sore nips from anything higher. That was with caber and high dose B6. I found it better to just lower the test way down to maintain boner levels. Others are more tolerant, which ideally is a better situation. Some can run Progestin only compounds without any test and still maintain male function. I hypothesize this is possible due to upregulated Test output from the adrenals. Just a guess though.

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