whats changed??

So I've been back in gym for about a year was out for 3 before that, when I left I was trying to get a 1st time cycle ready. The problem was at the time orals were going to be my choice due to the convenience or pinning everyday. I did get lucky enough to enjoy some of the IGf-1 from Muscle Chemistry store. That stuff was great I was pin about 30 to 45 mins before workout and it seemed like the pump would last all day. I loved arm day with that product. I guess I was wondering if orals are still faked as bad as ever. I'm in no hurry to get a cycle started but I wanted to start to do some research now so I will be prepared. I was also wondering what the consensus was on prohormones? I appreciate any input, advice or just helpful information.

Well, where to start. Orals are easy to get good quality as long as you use a good trusted source. Even anavar is generally of good quality these days. As far as planning your first one though, you really should run about 500mg or so of test enanthate or cyp, which you only have to pin twice weekly to keep stable blood levels. You can always add an oral for a little boost, the compound depending on what your goals are. Dbol is a great one to run along with the test for your first one, you just gotta get your labs done about 4 weeks in to make sure you're keeping your estrogen in range. The best of these for size. Anavar is a great one to start with too, no estrogen conversion, mild (except on the lipids), and easy to deal with. Great pumps with anavar. Winny is great for hardening up, but I personally can't handle it at any dose because of the impact on my joints and connective tissue. I'm already injury prone and winny makes it much worse.

As far as prohormones, I don't bother. It's easy enough to get the real deal, and the prohormones out there now aren't what they were before. Things like halodrol aren't available anymore. Superdrol is a designer not a PH, and it's readily found these days.

Most of the bigger sources are getting lab test results of raws and finished products. Like GC1 mentioned test e or c at 500 with maybe an oral

Ragnor said:

So I've been back in gym for about a year was out for 3 before that, when I left I was trying to get a 1st time cycle ready. The problem was at the time orals were going to be my choice due to the convenience or pinning everyday. I did get lucky enough to enjoy some of the IGf-1 from Muscle Chemistry store. That stuff was great I was pin about 30 to 45 mins before workout and it seemed like the pump would last all day. I loved arm day with that product. I guess I was wondering if orals are still faked as bad as ever. I'm in no hurry to get a cycle started but I wanted to start to do some research now so I will be prepared. I was also wondering what the consensus was on prohormones? I appreciate any input, advice or just helpful information.

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Orals are bad for liver....!!!
They should be Avoided except for 2 times a year max for 4 to 6 weeks depending!!!

Also do u realize we need to retain new muscle tissue lean body mass not bloat, for at least 16 weeks before our body will accept it and keep the lean gains!!!

Meaning 4 weeks not long enough, u will blow up and deflate then struggle from liver impairment, etc etc....

Some orals not as bad like Anavar, but all of them need a test base or injectable stack for 12-16 weeks after to hold lean gains long enough to keep!!!! The water weight that is gone period no matter what!!

But long enough duration to hold gains then adequate test TRT necessary or at least a quick come back asap!!!

Please, if u Gonna use steroids or PED's, if that is your choice, there is no way around pinning gear!!!!! Every other way is counter productive, incorrect, and unsafe... I say don't do Steroids but if u do.... do them the correct and safest way those before us learned by 50 years of trial and error at least!!!

Unless someone comes back really well in pct.... wait till u done with kids and use TRT blast and cruise....
By for cyclers, I never can do it long enough off. I knew better but it sucked!! Stupid me... but I believe my test was low always or failed early in age. Pain management after car wreck did it, killed by test production!!!! Let me shut up!! Lol!

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Thanks for all the info its all apperciated and its not falling on deaf ears. Muscle mechanic, I'm 46 and not having anymore kids...… I made sure of that after the last one, well my doctor did lololol. Pinning twice a week might not be so bad. I continue to ask questions and do more research.

Listen to MM his is the man.