A little advice from a vet

pgc640

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I just started checking out these boards. I've been involved in bodybuilding in some capacity since 1989. I definitely see a problem going on. Guys are using alot of different drugs the incorrect way for themselves. That is why certain drugs get bad reputations when they shouldn't. For example T3 and insulin. T3 if used correctly, for that particular person, is very, very safe and very effective. The problem is just like with most things talked about here, people really don't know how to use these substances in the optimal way for THEMSELVES. Insulin also. If used correctly. The correct amount, the correct type at the correct time and the correct amount of carbs taken with it insulin can be used safely. I did gh and insulin and T3 for two straight years. In those two years I competed in the Jr. Nationals and then the USA. But, I had one of the best trainers there was at the time. I hate even saying this because it sounds like name dropping and I hate that but it's the truth. He was training Ronnie Colman at the same time, in the late 90's when Ronnie was at his best. So, I was told how to do everything the correct way. Most, or 99% of guys don't have that opportunity, I get that. That's why if I can Ill try to add something. Blindly listening to message boards without doing your own research is a very bad idea. I would suggest, if you truly want to use drugs like T3, insulin, GH, even anabolics that you invest a bit of money into a trainer. They call them trainers but all the guys I used were just guys that knew how to optimally use all these drugs and nutrition usually guys like me who had real life experience plus did their own research. Not the person on you tube embarrassing himself by just taking as much of everything he can get his hands on. That's not a plan, there is absolutely nothing impressive about doing something dangerous like that. What is impressive is being able to use the least amount of drugs for your body and still get optimal results. Anyone can go take 2,000mgs of test, 2,000 mgs if Deca, 1,000 MG of tren ect, eat halfway decent, train and make gains. Problem is where the hell do you go from there? If your that young doing such ridiculously high doses where do you go in the future. 4,000 mgs of test? Of course this person will drop dead in his 40's or 50's because this is pure abuse. You do not have to abuse anabolics to create a great physique for yourself. First thing you need to understand is bodybuilding is not all drugs. It's a combination of three things and do one of the three incorrectly you will not make the progress you should. Nutrition, Anabolic Drugs, and Training in that order of importance. If your nutrition is off, if you're not eating the correct amount of the correct foods FOR YOU you will not get very far. The drugs, obviously are needed if you want to reach a certain level. That does not mean they have to be abused and they must be used correctly. Of course you must know how to train, how much per day, how often how long. I started training when I was 14 I started in a gym at 16. The gym I started at just happened to be, probably, the most famous bodybuilding gym in the east coast. I was amazed at 16 looking at these guys. Pros, top Amatures and the owner was a former Bodybuilder who, if he saw potential in you he would make sure you were training correctly. Luckily he saw potential in me and he was the first person to really start to teach me how to build muscle. He also convinced me to do my first contest at 18, the Teenage NJ. Out of 15 teens I placed second and I was hooked. Another guy helped me prepare for that contest. He was competing in the Nationals later in the year and we used to meet a 5:30AM Monday through Friday, before high school, to train. He taught me everything I know to this day about training. I had no idea what training legs really meant until the first time we did and I really thought I was going to die but I couldn't quit in front if him. Plus he helped me with the diet, I had absolutely no idea how to prepare for a contest.. It was the hardest thing I had ever done to that point of my life. He also finally broke it to me that all these guys are not natural, lol. I still remember what he told me to take for that contest, it was like nothing. 50mgs winstrol Monday , Wed, Friday, 200 mgs Deca until 3 weeks out, 1/2 anadrol a day till 3 weeks out then just the winstrol and 10 mgs of halitestin till the day of the contest. No diuretics just manipulated my water and used b6 and potassium. I have one picture left from that contest and when I look at it I can't believe not knowing what I was doing, at 18, on a tiny amount of drugs what I ended up looking like. I tried to post it. I came in second the kid who won looked ridiculous and actually won the teen nationals the next year. And we still talk to this day. My point is I ate correctly, I trained correctly and I took a minimal amount of anabolic drugs and still looked better than most ever will at 18. Not that I could have done any of it without him though., So, what I'm saying is we spend all this money on drugs, why not find someone that truly knows what he's doing and invest some of that money into him. I garuntee, if he really knows what he's doing, it will be far more worth it than any drug you could buy. After my last contest I quit the sport to presue a career. I didn't train for 17 years. Once I got totally disgusted with what I looked like I came back. Everything changed. Now I see younger guys who never make any progress, who don't know how to train and I have to assume don't know how to eat but they know how to take drugs. They still look horrible to me. Since I started training again, 3 years ago, I haven't seen one single guy whose physique impressed me at all. It's because the three things I mentioned they aren't doing. They stop me and ask me questions all the time, oh BTW the time it took after 17 years off to look good again was ridiculously short. In 3 months I wasn't embarrassed any more to go to the gym and by 6 months I looked better than probably most everyone in the place. By 2 years I started looking crazy again and that's when the constant questions started. But I'm not a trainer, I don't want to be, I have a very demanding job. But if someone at the gym or if someone here asked me a question I try to answer them but what they really need is to hire a real trainer(they call them trainers but really I'm talking about a guy who can teach you how to eat, how to get the most out of your anabolic drugs with out abusing them and someone who will help you with your training routine). It doesn't have to be someone who lives near you. With the internet you can hire anyone anywhere. You know these guys are out there, not talking about the you tube clowns, the best thing you could do for yourself, if you truly way to make progress, learn how to put on lean muscle and how to continually improve, is do some research and find someone who can teach you these things. You'll only need him until you get everything down, unless you want to compete that's a different story then you need to stick with someone for awhile, until you totally know your own body. Just my advice to this younger crowd as I approach 50, buy less drugs and invest in a coach or keep spinning your wheels going no where.
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As long as the board / forum is run properly, then no one should ever need to hire a coach just to get into shape, however like you stated, if your competing thats something else entirely. But guys just trying to learn the ropes, in and out of the gym, no way they should need to invest in a coach. Thats exactly why these forums are here. Granted some forums are over run with moronic advice, but if you find the right forum with a shit load of vets, competitors, pro's etc... then you should NOT have to waste a dime hiring a coach by phone or email half way across the country.

Just my two cents, as I take pride and comfort in knowing that not only our Team here but also a plethora of members here are quite capable of offering the same quality advice a paid coach can.

But I am with ya in that the internet forums in our particular niche of bodybuilding and such has a shit load of bad advice going around which isnt new, and has gotten better honestly as it reached its height from my perspective a few years ago and has steadily improved.
 
There are many many very knowledgable members on this board. The best thing about this board compared to others is that people want to help, not bash because you asked a question. Been here a long time and have seen some great people and learned tons from them. I'm just an average gym rat who is trying to grow and learn much later than most on here.
 
There are many many very knowledgable members on this board. The best thing about this board compared to others is that people want to help, not bash because you asked a question. Been here a long time and have seen some great people and learned tons from them. I'm just an average gym rat who is trying to grow and learn much later than most on here.

You registered here a little over 16 years ago , so it’s safe to assume your not a newbie anymore lol not that this has shit to do with anything aside from my wanting to point that out lol hang in there you get a free gym towel used by me personally once you hit the 25 years a member mark lmao I know your itching to get it lol and if not then you’ll be itching after you use it for sure lol eewwww
 
Out of general curiosity, does anyone else feel as though the height of bad advice in our community type niche has passed?

Granted the original poster said he just started following message boards , but for those that have been around I’m curious what you think ?

i don’t get away from MC much so maybe I’m wrong
 
You registered here a little over 16 years ago , so it’s safe to assume your not a newbie anymore lol not that this has shit to do with anything aside from my wanting to point that out lol hang in there you get a free gym towel used by me personally once you hit the 25 years a member mark lmao I know your itching to get it lol and if not then you’ll be itching after you use it for sure lol eewwww
I can't wait lmao :laugh:
 
I have always heard, get the most out of the least amount is and has always been the best.
 
Out of general curiosity, does anyone else feel as though the height of bad advice in our community type niche has passed?

Granted the original poster said he just started following message boards , but for those that have been around I’m curious what you think ?

i don’t get away from MC much so maybe I’m wrong
Info here good!!! I get around some and can't help but post correct info where I see wrong. I am thanked and especially for detail I provide.

As u know u and I agree on most... Lol!!
I am not as intellectual smart as u by ways I type but I try.

I feel info here is great and even updated in threads on new research in older threads. U gotta read begining and end if some threads like hcg and updated info posted!!

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I just started checking out these boards. I've been involved in bodybuilding in some capacity since 1989. I definitely see a problem going on. Guys are using alot of different drugs the incorrect way for themselves. That is why certain drugs get bad reputations when they shouldn't. For example T3 and insulin. T3 if used correctly, for that particular person, is very, very safe and very effective. The problem is just like with most things talked about here, people really don't know how to use these substances in the optimal way for THEMSELVES. Insulin also. If used correctly. The correct amount, the correct type at the correct time and the correct amount of carbs taken with it insulin can be used safely. I did gh and insulin and T3 for two straight years. In those two years I competed in the Jr. Nationals and then the USA. But, I had one of the best trainers there was at the time. I hate even saying this because it sounds like name dropping and I hate that but it's the truth. He was training Ronnie Colman at the same time, in the late 90's when Ronnie was at his best. So, I was told how to do everything the correct way. Most, or 99% of guys don't have that opportunity, I get that. That's why if I can Ill try to add something. Blindly listening to message boards without doing your own research is a very bad idea. I would suggest, if you truly want to use drugs like T3, insulin, GH, even anabolics that you invest a bit of money into a trainer. They call them trainers but all the guys I used were just guys that knew how to optimally use all these drugs and nutrition usually guys like me who had real life experience plus did their own research. Not the person on you tube embarrassing himself by just taking as much of everything he can get his hands on. That's not a plan, there is absolutely nothing impressive about doing something dangerous like that. What is impressive is being able to use the least amount of drugs for your body and still get optimal results. Anyone can go take 2,000mgs of test, 2,000 mgs if Deca, 1,000 MG of tren ect, eat halfway decent, train and make gains. Problem is where the hell do you go from there? If your that young doing such ridiculously high doses where do you go in the future. 4,000 mgs of test? Of course this person will drop dead in his 40's or 50's because this is pure abuse. You do not have to abuse anabolics to create a great physique for yourself. First thing you need to understand is bodybuilding is not all drugs. It's a combination of three things and do one of the three incorrectly you will not make the progress you should. Nutrition, Anabolic Drugs, and Training in that order of importance. If your nutrition is off, if you're not eating the correct amount of the correct foods FOR YOU you will not get very far. The drugs, obviously are needed if you want to reach a certain level. That does not mean they have to be abused and they must be used correctly. Of course you must know how to train, how much per day, how often how long. I started training when I was 14 I started in a gym at 16. The gym I started at just happened to be, probably, the most famous bodybuilding gym in the east coast. I was amazed at 16 looking at these guys. Pros, top Amatures and the owner was a former Bodybuilder who, if he saw potential in you he would make sure you were training correctly. Luckily he saw potential in me and he was the first person to really start to teach me how to build muscle. He also convinced me to do my first contest at 18, the Teenage NJ. Out of 15 teens I placed second and I was hooked. Another guy helped me prepare for that contest. He was competing in the Nationals later in the year and we used to meet a 5:30AM Monday through Friday, before high school, to train. He taught me everything I know to this day about training. I had no idea what training legs really meant until the first time we did and I really thought I was going to die but I couldn't quit in front if him. Plus he helped me with the diet, I had absolutely no idea how to prepare for a contest.. It was the hardest thing I had ever done to that point of my life. He also finally broke it to me that all these guys are not natural, lol. I still remember what he told me to take for that contest, it was like nothing. 50mgs winstrol Monday , Wed, Friday, 200 mgs Deca until 3 weeks out, 1/2 anadrol a day till 3 weeks out then just the winstrol and 10 mgs of halitestin till the day of the contest. No diuretics just manipulated my water and used b6 and potassium. I have one picture left from that contest and when I look at it I can't believe not knowing what I was doing, at 18, on a tiny amount of drugs what I ended up looking like. I tried to post it. I came in second the kid who won looked ridiculous and actually won the teen nationals the next year. And we still talk to this day. My point is I ate correctly, I trained correctly and I took a minimal amount of anabolic drugs and still looked better than most ever will at 18. Not that I could have done any of it without him though., So, what I'm saying is we spend all this money on drugs, why not find someone that truly knows what he's doing and invest some of that money into him. I garuntee, if he really knows what he's doing, it will be far more worth it than any drug you could buy. After my last contest I quit the sport to presue a career. I didn't train for 17 years. Once I got totally disgusted with what I looked like I came back. Everything changed. Now I see younger guys who never make any progress, who don't know how to train and I have to assume don't know how to eat but they know how to take drugs. They still look horrible to me. Since I started training again, 3 years ago, I haven't seen one single guy whose physique impressed me at all. It's because the three things I mentioned they aren't doing. They stop me and ask me questions all the time, oh BTW the time it took after 17 years off to look good again was ridiculously short. In 3 months I wasn't embarrassed any more to go to the gym and by 6 months I looked better than probably most everyone in the place. By 2 years I started looking crazy again and that's when the constant questions started. But I'm not a trainer, I don't want to be, I have a very demanding job. But if someone at the gym or if someone here asked me a question I try to answer them but what they really need is to hire a real trainer(they call them trainers but really I'm talking about a guy who can teach you how to eat, how to get the most out of your anabolic drugs with out abusing them and someone who will help you with your training routine). It doesn't have to be someone who lives near you. With the internet you can hire anyone anywhere. You know these guys are out there, not talking about the you tube clowns, the best thing you could do for yourself, if you truly way to make progress, learn how to put on lean muscle and how to continually improve, is do some research and find someone who can teach you these things. You'll only need him until you get everything down, unless you want to compete that's a different story then you need to stick with someone for awhile, until you totally know your own body. Just my advice to this younger crowd as I approach 50, buy less drugs and invest in a coach or keep spinning your wheels going no where.
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I never used insulin and prolly won't...
But agree on t3. I use it when hgh is around 5iu generics. I get thyroid suppression from that dose. I use t3/t4 for whole durations of runs. Normally 4-6 months at time my dosage is t3 32.5mcg to 45mcg with t4 at 100mcg. For me that is my spot
I don't go any higher than needed. I basically use Novothyral mix 20/100 and add in Tirromel breaking 25mcg in half so 12.5mcg added to 25mcg added to That Novothyral 20/100 mix t3/t4!! I come off and come back fine no problems. Just don't check lipids and do labs until recovered or else glucose fasted and lipids will be a mess while thyroid coming back and output low...
Anyway welcome to MC!! Agree on safety and that criticism comes from those misusing or using too much and incorrect...
I had zero sides on t3/t4 and everything all vital signs were excellent!!! Fat loss and growing were at highest combined with gear and hgh!! It's not same without t3/t4 with Hgh!!!

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Info here good!!! I get around some and can't help but post correct info where I see wrong. I am thanked and especially for detail I provide.

As u know u and I agree on most... Lol!!
I am not as intellectual smart as u by ways I type but I try.

I feel info here is great and even updated in threads on new research in older threads. U gotta read begining and end if some threads like hcg and updated info posted!!

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using Tapatalk


Thats actually a great point for which i have never thought to preach to members! Yes some threads start out with what we knew then and end with what we know now! Great point!
 
I just started checking out these boards. I've been involved in bodybuilding in some capacity since 1989. I definitely see a problem going on. Guys are using alot of different drugs the incorrect way for themselves. That is why certain drugs get bad reputations when they shouldn't. For example T3 and insulin. T3 if used correctly, for that particular person, is very, very safe and very effective. The problem is just like with most things talked about here, people really don't know how to use these substances in the optimal way for THEMSELVES. Insulin also. If used correctly. The correct amount, the correct type at the correct time and the correct amount of carbs taken with it insulin can be used safely. I did gh and insulin and T3 for two straight years. In those two years I competed in the Jr. Nationals and then the USA. But, I had one of the best trainers there was at the time. I hate even saying this because it sounds like name dropping and I hate that but it's the truth. He was training Ronnie Colman at the same time, in the late 90's when Ronnie was at his best. So, I was told how to do everything the correct way. Most, or 99% of guys don't have that opportunity, I get that. That's why if I can Ill try to add something. Blindly listening to message boards without doing your own research is a very bad idea. I would suggest, if you truly want to use drugs like T3, insulin, GH, even anabolics that you invest a bit of money into a trainer. They call them trainers but all the guys I used were just guys that knew how to optimally use all these drugs and nutrition usually guys like me who had real life experience plus did their own research. Not the person on you tube embarrassing himself by just taking as much of everything he can get his hands on. That's not a plan, there is absolutely nothing impressive about doing something dangerous like that. What is impressive is being able to use the least amount of drugs for your body and still get optimal results. Anyone can go take 2,000mgs of test, 2,000 mgs if Deca, 1,000 MG of tren ect, eat halfway decent, train and make gains. Problem is where the hell do you go from there? If your that young doing such ridiculously high doses where do you go in the future. 4,000 mgs of test? Of course this person will drop dead in his 40's or 50's because this is pure abuse. You do not have to abuse anabolics to create a great physique for yourself. First thing you need to understand is bodybuilding is not all drugs. It's a combination of three things and do one of the three incorrectly you will not make the progress you should. Nutrition, Anabolic Drugs, and Training in that order of importance. If your nutrition is off, if you're not eating the correct amount of the correct foods FOR YOU you will not get very far. The drugs, obviously are needed if you want to reach a certain level. That does not mean they have to be abused and they must be used correctly. Of course you must know how to train, how much per day, how often how long. I started training when I was 14 I started in a gym at 16. The gym I started at just happened to be, probably, the most famous bodybuilding gym in the east coast. I was amazed at 16 looking at these guys. Pros, top Amatures and the owner was a former Bodybuilder who, if he saw potential in you he would make sure you were training correctly. Luckily he saw potential in me and he was the first person to really start to teach me how to build muscle. He also convinced me to do my first contest at 18, the Teenage NJ. Out of 15 teens I placed second and I was hooked. Another guy helped me prepare for that contest. He was competing in the Nationals later in the year and we used to meet a 5:30AM Monday through Friday, before high school, to train. He taught me everything I know to this day about training. I had no idea what training legs really meant until the first time we did and I really thought I was going to die but I couldn't quit in front if him. Plus he helped me with the diet, I had absolutely no idea how to prepare for a contest.. It was the hardest thing I had ever done to that point of my life. He also finally broke it to me that all these guys are not natural, lol. I still remember what he told me to take for that contest, it was like nothing. 50mgs winstrol Monday , Wed, Friday, 200 mgs Deca until 3 weeks out, 1/2 anadrol a day till 3 weeks out then just the winstrol and 10 mgs of halitestin till the day of the contest. No diuretics just manipulated my water and used b6 and potassium. I have one picture left from that contest and when I look at it I can't believe not knowing what I was doing, at 18, on a tiny amount of drugs what I ended up looking like. I tried to post it. I came in second the kid who won looked ridiculous and actually won the teen nationals the next year. And we still talk to this day. My point is I ate correctly, I trained correctly and I took a minimal amount of anabolic drugs and still looked better than most ever will at 18. Not that I could have done any of it without him though., So, what I'm saying is we spend all this money on drugs, why not find someone that truly knows what he's doing and invest some of that money into him. I garuntee, if he really knows what he's doing, it will be far more worth it than any drug you could buy. After my last contest I quit the sport to presue a career. I didn't train for 17 years. Once I got totally disgusted with what I looked like I came back. Everything changed. Now I see younger guys who never make any progress, who don't know how to train and I have to assume don't know how to eat but they know how to take drugs. They still look horrible to me. Since I started training again, 3 years ago, I haven't seen one single guy whose physique impressed me at all. It's because the three things I mentioned they aren't doing. They stop me and ask me questions all the time, oh BTW the time it took after 17 years off to look good again was ridiculously short. In 3 months I wasn't embarrassed any more to go to the gym and by 6 months I looked better than probably most everyone in the place. By 2 years I started looking crazy again and that's when the constant questions started. But I'm not a trainer, I don't want to be, I have a very demanding job. But if someone at the gym or if someone here asked me a question I try to answer them but what they really need is to hire a real trainer(they call them trainers but really I'm talking about a guy who can teach you how to eat, how to get the most out of your anabolic drugs with out abusing them and someone who will help you with your training routine). It doesn't have to be someone who lives near you. With the internet you can hire anyone anywhere. You know these guys are out there, not talking about the you tube clowns, the best thing you could do for yourself, if you truly way to make progress, learn how to put on lean muscle and how to continually improve, is do some research and find someone who can teach you these things. You'll only need him until you get everything down, unless you want to compete that's a different story then you need to stick with someone for awhile, until you totally know your own body. Just my advice to this younger crowd as I approach 50, buy less drugs and invest in a coach or keep spinning your wheels going no where.
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Thanks for posting, very good read Bro....but ever use paragraphs? be much easier reading
 
Thanks for posting, very good read Bro....but ever use paragraphs? be much easier reading
Yes if I'm writing something official but didn't even think of it in here.
I know there are some guys that do know how to do things, obviously. The problem is I've seen, not here I'm pretty sure, very, very bad advice given in other boards. And all types of conflicting advice. That is just going to get someone confused.
I suppose my point was if you are not competing but are using drugs why not spend a bit of money for, say, six months to someone you know can get you straight. That way you are listening to only one person, no confusion, and it saves a hell of a lot of time.
If you do want to compete you have to work with someone. I don't think anyone could get prepared, correctly, for a first contest by themselves. It's way to intricate a process. Especially the closer you get.
 
I never used insulin and prolly won't...
But agree on t3. I use it when hgh is around 5iu generics. I get thyroid suppression from that dose. I use t3/t4 for whole durations of runs. Normally 4-6 months at time my dosage is t3 32.5mcg to 45mcg with t4 at 100mcg. For me that is my spot
I don't go any higher than needed. I basically use Novothyral mix 20/100 and add in Tirromel breaking 25mcg in half so 12.5mcg added to 25mcg added to That Novothyral 20/100 mix t3/t4!! I come off and come back fine no problems. Just don't check lipids and do labs until recovered or else glucose fasted and lipids will be a mess while thyroid coming back and output low...
Anyway welcome to MC!! Agree on safety and that criticism comes from those misusing or using too much and incorrect...
I had zero sides on t3/t4 and everything all vital signs were excellent!!! Fat loss and growing were at highest combined with gear and hgh!! It's not same without t3/t4 with Hgh!!!

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I wouldn't suggest insulin to anyone but a national level competitor. Other than that it's not needed. But, it definitely can be used safely. It also can kill you if you don't know what you are doing or are careless.
 
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