Bad tes. Pleas help.

I am in week five of my cycle. Tt tes, tt eq, organon deca, dbol.

Some of you may have been keeping up with this "is the tt tes bad or not" debate going on here and at fb.

Here is what I want to do. I have been doing dbol, tt eq, tt tes e, and organon deca for five weeks. I am sure something is wrong with the tes at this point for various reasons.

I want to replace the tt tes with omnadren 250 at 750mg ew for the next seven weeks, keep doing the tt eq at 400mg ew, and keep doing the organon deca at 400mg ew.

Here is the dilema. Without getting into all the details again, I am benefiting some from the deca, some from the dbol, and maybe some from the eq. But without the tes my gains are just plain weird. You would have to do what I just did to know what I am talking about and some people have convinced me that they have.

Anyway, the bottom line is, I would like to extend the dbol at 50mg ed for as long as I can safely. I am thinking about another three weeks. I am taking ala and milk thistle at 1500 ed. And I am taking liquidex and nolvadex at .5 and 20mg.

Please no flames. I am looking for serious opinions on this. I have seen posts by very respected vets/mods that claim this dbol for only four weeks thing is bullshit. And that the only reason to stop after four weeks is because the gains are not neccesarily quality and not because of the liver thing.


Thanks bros. I am really frustrate right now and trying to salvage my cycle.

if you can get somthing other than omna i would, like another enanthate cyp or prop. omna wil take a while to fully kick in.

but yes the 4 wk max dbol is bs. yes its more harmfull for the liver, but heres why its bs and people just repeat what they hear without thinking for themselves.

why is it dbol for 8 wks is bad, but dbol for 4 wks and then winny for 6 more isnt? the dbol winny is much worse! they are both very toxic and are 17aa, they both hurt the liver. there may be some alleviation by switching drugs, but it must be minimal at best.

also people scream dead liver when they hear about a dbol only cycle, but if its stacked with test and deca its somehow ok.... another bs misconception.

i think ive read about peole doing like 75 ed dbol for months and their livers checked out aok. but some people livers are stronger than others.

regardless we know the longer an oral is run(or a few orals after each other) the worse it is for the liver. period. but this dbol over 4-6wk will kill your liver myth needs to go.

50ed isnt a light dose however, so use your own good judgment bro.

I'd switch to prop and as far as extending the d-bol I agree with sc on the d-bol/winny thing but it'sa judgement call there. If you can get prop asap run d-bol 1 more week till the prop fully kicks in then drop it.

Bro's. I really appreciate the intelligent responses. I was sitting over on fb with the same question posted hoping sc would answer it and you had already answered over here.

I can't get prop right now. I wish I could. I only have the omnadren 250.

And I do have 20 amps of suspension. I know it is good because it is from my good local source that is way way over priced. But, I got it a while back and I don't really feel I know enough about it to use it.

Here is one for you that I am kind of embarrassed about. I do not know what strength this suspension is. I have twenty 2ml amps. This is what they say, 2ml AGOVIRIN DEPOT inj. The manufacturer is BIOTIKA. Then it says C.sarze: 050600 And Pouz. do: 06.03. They have a beige and kinda brownish orange and white band around them. I posted this on fb months ago and nobody responded, so I assumed that they thought I was an idiot for buying something that I did not know the strength on.

So, the point is: If I could figure out for sure exactly what strenth this suspension is, and exactly how to use it (which I know is much like prop or fina as far as ed or eod injections) then I would go straight for the suspension.

And by the way, It is water based suspension.

Any ideas on that? If not, my only choice is the omnadren.

its 25mg per ml.

stay w/ the omnas, but using the amps the last 14 days before clomid would be a good idea.

Chicken, damn, I have been holding this suspension for about a year not knowing this. Thanks. You have helped me a lot this week bro. I really appreciate it.


And, Chemical. I started out this cycle with taking .25mg ed liquidex starting a week before my cycle all the way into week five. I have only recently bumped the ldex to .5mg (about 7 days ago). And I just started the nolva about 4 days ago. All this because of symptoms of gyno (probably from the dbol). I am very prone to gyno.

So it could not be the anti-e's that are hindering gains. I am with you though. I really wanted to make it through this cycle with minimal ldex and no ndex.