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dpsquat
11-24-2002, 09:03 AM
i took this off of his bd!! this is the guru talking
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1) Milos has always tried to say he is the one that showed me how to use the insulin. Complete b.s. - back in '94, I believe - it was a long time ago - we were at a contest and Milos and I sat down and talked about the insulin and he gave me his take on how he used it. However, this wasn't the first time I had talked to anyone about insulin - it was probably one of a handful of conversations I had with various people that year on the subject. My two primary conversations were with physician friends of mine and this is where all of my knowledge on the subject came from - that and trial and error. Yes, I listened to what Milos had to say, but never implemented anything. He only had one area in the entire insulin program right - and that was the time period of when to eat after the insulin - which had previously been printed in Muscle Media 2000 the month before.

2) Supposedly, all of this information came from his sister, who is a doctor, but in a conversation with Dan Duchaine, who is the one that set up the program for Muscle Media 2000 (identical to the one Milos had), he had told me that he and Muscle Media were the ones who gave Milos his information. Now, I have no way of confirming this - I only know that Milos was friends with the "Muscle Media Crew" at the time.

3) The great insulin plan by Milos taught me everything NOT to do with insulin. So, I do need to thank him there. So, I'll give you a quick rundown on his plan - his primary thought is to take the insulin 3 times a day, 5 days a week. This will give you great result if you are trying to become a self-induced diabetic. As well, after 3-4 weeks of this, the insulin stops responding in the body - the scary thing is that you can actually take insulin at this point and NOT eat - and nothing will happen to you.

4) Milos also, at the time, was talking of taking "G" in the morning WITH the insulin. I had heard he has changed his train of thought concerning this - but obviously, this is the worst time to take G!

5) In terms of using dextrose with the insulin, yes it will cover the insulin - but this is all it will do. It's through the system entirely too fast to get any kind of carbing up benefit from, and one of the primary purposes of carbing up with insulin is to glycogen load the muscle. Dextrose is so fast that you will more likely than not have a "spill over". Unfortunately, you can see this in a lot of his athletes. I prefer simple sugar carbs, to be a little more specific - fruits. You get the same benefit, but they are slower through the system and the loading factor is tremendously better.

6) Obviously, by now, you should be able to tell that Milos and I are at opposite ends of the table on how we feel about insulin and how it should be used. Every person's makeup is so different, so it is hard to just say here's a plan - use it - but here's a quick rundown of a plan that hits pretty close for most people: You should never use insulin more than twice weekly. Possibly once every three (3) days would be the most and I've only seen a couple of people who would actually need to use it that much. You would have to have a crazy metabolism to do that. Most people take it once a week and this is on Wednesday - and take it 3 times that day - once every 6 hours. I also prefer Humulin R and I believe Milos prefers Humulog. Here again, I believe Humulog is much too fast, and you risk the chance of a spill over. --Obviously, this is ONLY in the off-season and I never have athletes diet on insulin - I think Millos' belief on this is different.

I want to make it perfectly clear that Milos, as a person, I actually like, but his beliefs for the most part, I don't agree with. And, in turn, I'm aware that he doesn't agree with a lot of my theories - but everyone has their opinions and are entitled to that. Now that I have used your question to "Vent", I hope you have found your answer.

BStrongBwell*
11-24-2002, 11:34 AM
that's a good post... any of you guys that use slin want to comment?

midwtchamp
11-24-2002, 08:26 PM
bump for more slin users!!!!

sully
11-25-2002, 12:28 PM
bump

hostile
11-25-2002, 01:34 PM
Quote,

"You should never use insulin more than twice weekly. Possibly once every three (3) days would be the most and I've only seen a couple of people who would actually need to use it that much. You would have to have a crazy metabolism to do that. Most people take it once a week and this is on Wednesday - and take it 3 times that day - once every 6 hours."

This is the first time I have read about a method like this. I know of people that do 15 iu's am and 15 iu's post workout on workout days cycling 4 weeks on 4 weeks off. And of people that do it post workout only on workout days cycling 3 weeks on 3 weeks off.

This guy obviously disagree's with this method and thinks it's dangerous. And, I assume that this is a knowledgable guy or dpsquat would not have posted this.

Vets, please respond to this and tell us what you think.

46and2aheadofme
11-25-2002, 05:29 PM
Hm. It seems like if what this guy is saying is law, all of us that run insulin on workout days would be "self-induced diabetics."

I'm still learning about types of carbs, and I think his point about fructose being better than dextrose might be a good one.

sully
11-25-2002, 08:31 PM
...dpsquat, what do you think about this?...

dpsquat
11-25-2002, 09:34 PM
WEll i took this from Chad Nicols web site. If you dont know who he is he is the TOP guru going... works with gunther colman king farrah and many others!! this is a debate between HIm (chad) and MIlos sarvec(sp) anyway they disagree on slin usage!!

Me im still learing but MY guru is a STUDENT of chads so to speak so he uses many of the same tatics!. I will be using slin the first of the year.. Im starting my prep for the jr's then!

46and2aheadofme
11-25-2002, 09:40 PM
I like how he describes the differences in carbs as a choice between "dextrose" and "fruits," lol. Kind of oversimplifies things, doesn't it? This guy doesn't really give any insight into his opinions, and I'm not really inclined to listen to him without a shred of backing scientific data or at least an example. I don't think he really knows what "spilling over" means. He sounds pretty uneducated, and if he's "the guru" of insulin use, I would expect him to say "this method did (or didn't) work for me" or "it has been scientifically shown that" at least once, but he just spouts opinions and buzz phrases. He doesn't even claim any experience or scientific support.

46and2aheadofme
11-26-2002, 12:56 AM
dpsquat, wasn't knocking you bro, lol
a lot of times experience counts for more than studies so I'll go read the thread.

Armageddon
11-27-2002, 02:07 AM
Without a precise diet fat comes easy with insulin. I can attest to this and it seems like its harder to get rid of also. From what I gathered from this is doing it once or twice a week never allows your body to adapt. When taking the slin it slams your body with everything that you put into your system, kind of like an over dose. Too much of anything isnot that good, remember moderation. Anyways this mans theories are on stage year after year at the olympia, so I think that speaks for itself. I also think he's the husband of Kim Chivesky(sp/wayoff) but you know who I mean. The guy obviously knows his shit!