Clen - To taper or not to taper
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taper up the first week.. down the second followed by 2 wks eca or nyc stack then repeat
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here is a little read for you.. check out the section about "should I taper"
CLENBUTEROL FAQ 1.0 by Nick Bockwinkle Post #1
Thank Swolen for the repost! at MC
CLENBUTEROL FAQ 1.0 by Nick Bockwinkle
**********Foreword********************
First off, I would like to give a big hoot to the guys on
FitnessBoard.com/Steroids101. Small for his kickass "Liquid Fury" Cycle,
GearedUp for being a kickass mod, Lewd Tennant (you da man), CJ, f41, Chesta and
all of you who make that board a great place to be!!
This FAQ will be updated, so if you have any questions you would like added to
this FAQ, email me at [email protected].
1.What is Clenbuterol and how does it work?
Simply put, Clenbuterol hydrochloride (the full chemical name for Clenbuterol)
is a beta-2-adrenergic agonist, and was initially used to treat asthma in
humans. Other such drugs in this class are albuterol (I believe this is brand
named as Ventolin, the blue inhaler commonly seen), pirbuterol, terbutaline and
salmeterol.
Clenbuterol has two secondary effects that are beneficial to athletes and
bodybuilders. The first is a strong anti-catabolic effect, which means it
decreases the rate at which protein is used up in the muscle cells, consequently
causing hypertrophy of muscle cells (with proper training, of course). Clen
accomplishes this by the stimulation of both type 2 and 3 beta-receptors.
3-beta receptors are more abundant in livestock than in humans. This explains
the pronounced anabolic effects on livestock as opposed to humans.
Secondly, Clen has a wonderful thermogenic effect. This is the main reason that
is included in nearly every cutting cycle in some form or fashion. This means
that it slightly raises the body temperature of the person taking it. When the
bodys temperature rises it burns fat more productively. When stacked with an
LT-3 hormone such as Cytomel, the body turns into the fiery pits of hell and
burns fat like a stripper scoops up dollar bills on a Friday night.
Clenbuterol is known by the following brand names:
Broncodil, Broncoterol, Cesbron, Clenasma, Clenbuter.Pharmachim, Contrasmina,
Contraspasmina, Monores, Novegam, Oxyflux, Prontovent, Spiropent, Ventolase, and
Ventapulmin It is generally available in 10 - 20 mcg tablets, although syrup,
injectables and "Super Clen" (x20 the normal dosage of normal tabs) are also
somewhat popular.
2. Will Clenbuterol help me if I am on AS?
Yes, particularly at the end of a cycle to keep gains. Bodybuilders use
Clenbuterol after steroid cycles to balance the resulting catabolic phase
following a cycle and to retain strength and muscle mass. Also, as a result of
the higher body temperatures, Clenbuterol magnifies the effect of
anabolic/androgenic steroids taken simultaneously, since the protein processing
is increased. °2
***GEEKY MEDICAL TERMINOLOGY WARNING*******
(Taken from Clenbuterol.com) "When these agonists bind to beta-2 adrenoceptors,
they activate adenyl cyclase which leads to an increase in the intracellular
concentration of the second messenger cyclic adenosine monophosphate (cAMP) and
activation of protein kinase A (PKA). In the tracheobronchial tree, beta-2
agonists, cAMP and PKA inhibit smooth muscle contraction by opening K+ channels
and by down-regulation of myosin light chain kinase activity." °1
In the airways, beta-2 adrenoceptors are not restricted to smooth muscle. They
also occur on epithelium, inflammatory cells, and the vasculature. When
epithelial beta adrenoceptors are activated, cilliary beat frequency increases.
The effect on mucus secretion is less consistent, but the weight of opinion
indicates that beta-2 agonists increase mucocillary clearance. Activation of
beta-2 adrenoceptors on inflammatory cells reduces the release of inflammatory
mediators, and activation of those in vasculature can inhibit the permeability
increase that occurs in inflammation. Thus making it easier to breath.
******* END GEEKY MEDICAL TERMINOLOGY*************
3. Will Clenbuterol help me burn fat?
Hell yes and no. The yes is stated above--Clen is a strong thermogenic. Diet
and cardio are most important in this process (of course), as is a good weight
training regimen. If one keeps a clean diet, does regular cardio (3-4+ times a
week) then Clenbuterol will greatly assist in fat loss. If one sits around the
couch all day, eats empty calories like sugars and simple carbs, Clenbuterol
will be as useful as a sugar pill.
4. What is the recommended dosage for Clenbuterol?
This has become a matter of controversy among the Bodybuilding community. Due
to erroneous assumptions based on livestock dosing based on the types of
receptors that humans and livestock have , 2 days on-2 days off was thought to
be the proper dosage. Given Clenbuterols half-life of about 10 hours, with a
2-days on/2-days off cycle you never have time to get enough of the clenbuterol
out of your system for this to be an effective cycle. In actuality, it probably
hasn even dropped to 50% of your peak concentration before one is taking the
drug again. With this all taken into account, there is no reason to think that
this cycling would significantly reduce the problem of receptor desensitization.
2-weeks on/2-weeks off is a better cycle, with ECA stacked in between.
At a dosage of around 5-7 tablets or 100-140 mcg per day for men over a period
of 8-10 weeks. In females, dosages of 80-100 mcg/day are usually sufficient.
For fat loss, clenbuterol seems to stay effective for 3-6 weeks, then its
thermogenic properties seem to subside. This is noticed when the body
temperature drops back to normal. Its anabolic properties subside much quicker,
somewhere around 18 days. Also keep in mind that anything over 140 mcg a day is
useless since the beta receptors can only handle so much. °
4. Should I taper Clenbuterol on and off?
Yes. With ANY thermogenic, the side effects can be pronounced and a shock to
the system. To lessen these, here is an optimal pill count for a two-week
cycle. (assuming standard Clen dosages of 20mcg such as Spriopent).
Week 1: 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 6, 6
Week 2: 6, 6, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2
Weeks 3 and 4: ECA (Hydroxycut, Xenadrine, Stacker, etc.)
The ECA stacks in between will help prevent against the inevitable crash when
taking Clen.
5. What are some of Clenbuterols side effects?
Possible side effects of Clenbuterol include restlessness, palpitations, tremor
(involuntary trembling of fingers), headache, increased perspiration, insomnia,
possible muscle spasms, increased blood pres-sure, and nausea. Note that these
side effects are of a temporary nature and usually subside after 8-10 days,
despite continuation of the product.
COMMONLY ASKED QUESTIONS:
Q: Can I substiute Ventolase or another asthma medication for Clenbuterol since
they are the same category?
A: No. Remember that the only reason the FDA banned Clenbuterol was because of
the long half-life. Well approved asthma medications have very short
half-lives. Therefore, the effective dosage period is very low.
Q: Will Clenbuterol give me gyno, masculinization, shinkage of the boys or any
steroid-like side effect?
A: No. Clenbuterol has no steroid-like side-effects as the mechanisms are
totally different. This also means that you do not have to take Clomid or any
anti-estrogen during a Clenbuterol cycyle.
Q: Will Clenbuterol show up on a drug test?
A: Only if you are being tested by a body that bans it. This is generally
international competition such as the Olympics. Employment, doctors physicals,
military does NOT test for this. The NCAA is reputed not to, however this is
unknown. It is best to get a presciption from a doctor for asthma medication.
Ventolin, Albuterol and the like trigger the same tests as Clenbuterol. With a
doctors prescription for one of these similar products, the Clen will be seen
as a false positive.
Q: Ive read that the best way to gauge Clenbuterols effectiveness is to watch
for a rise in temperature. Is this true?
A: Although this will show when Clenbuterol is working, it is not the best way
to gauge effective dosage, as everyones body will react differently. This
reaction is sometimes independent of an effective dosage and is not a good way
to gauge if your current dose is effective. The above cycle is based on a
175-lb man. If you are below that, you may want to slightly decrease the dosage
if you find the shakes to be unbearable after 4-5 days.
Q: What are "Street" prices?
A: Though your mileage may vary, if you are paying more than US $.50 a pill,
you are seriously getting the shaft.
°1 Clenbuterol and Asthma - http://www.clenbuterol.com/asthma.htm
°2 Clenbuterol and weightloss - http://www.clenbuterol.com/weightloss.htm
°3 Clenbuterol Profiles -
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/steroi...clenbuterol.htm
CLENBUTEROL FAQ 1.0 by Nick Bockwinkle Post #1
Thank Swolen for the repost! at MC
CLENBUTEROL FAQ 1.0 by Nick Bockwinkle
**********Foreword********************
First off, I would like to give a big hoot to the guys on
FitnessBoard.com/Steroids101. Small for his kickass "Liquid Fury" Cycle,
GearedUp for being a kickass mod, Lewd Tennant (you da man), CJ, f41, Chesta and
all of you who make that board a great place to be!!
This FAQ will be updated, so if you have any questions you would like added to
this FAQ, email me at [email protected].
1.What is Clenbuterol and how does it work?
Simply put, Clenbuterol hydrochloride (the full chemical name for Clenbuterol)
is a beta-2-adrenergic agonist, and was initially used to treat asthma in
humans. Other such drugs in this class are albuterol (I believe this is brand
named as Ventolin, the blue inhaler commonly seen), pirbuterol, terbutaline and
salmeterol.
Clenbuterol has two secondary effects that are beneficial to athletes and
bodybuilders. The first is a strong anti-catabolic effect, which means it
decreases the rate at which protein is used up in the muscle cells, consequently
causing hypertrophy of muscle cells (with proper training, of course). Clen
accomplishes this by the stimulation of both type 2 and 3 beta-receptors.
3-beta receptors are more abundant in livestock than in humans. This explains
the pronounced anabolic effects on livestock as opposed to humans.
Secondly, Clen has a wonderful thermogenic effect. This is the main reason that
is included in nearly every cutting cycle in some form or fashion. This means
that it slightly raises the body temperature of the person taking it. When the
bodys temperature rises it burns fat more productively. When stacked with an
LT-3 hormone such as Cytomel, the body turns into the fiery pits of hell and
burns fat like a stripper scoops up dollar bills on a Friday night.
Clenbuterol is known by the following brand names:
Broncodil, Broncoterol, Cesbron, Clenasma, Clenbuter.Pharmachim, Contrasmina,
Contraspasmina, Monores, Novegam, Oxyflux, Prontovent, Spiropent, Ventolase, and
Ventapulmin It is generally available in 10 - 20 mcg tablets, although syrup,
injectables and "Super Clen" (x20 the normal dosage of normal tabs) are also
somewhat popular.
2. Will Clenbuterol help me if I am on AS?
Yes, particularly at the end of a cycle to keep gains. Bodybuilders use
Clenbuterol after steroid cycles to balance the resulting catabolic phase
following a cycle and to retain strength and muscle mass. Also, as a result of
the higher body temperatures, Clenbuterol magnifies the effect of
anabolic/androgenic steroids taken simultaneously, since the protein processing
is increased. °2
***GEEKY MEDICAL TERMINOLOGY WARNING*******
(Taken from Clenbuterol.com) "When these agonists bind to beta-2 adrenoceptors,
they activate adenyl cyclase which leads to an increase in the intracellular
concentration of the second messenger cyclic adenosine monophosphate (cAMP) and
activation of protein kinase A (PKA). In the tracheobronchial tree, beta-2
agonists, cAMP and PKA inhibit smooth muscle contraction by opening K+ channels
and by down-regulation of myosin light chain kinase activity." °1
In the airways, beta-2 adrenoceptors are not restricted to smooth muscle. They
also occur on epithelium, inflammatory cells, and the vasculature. When
epithelial beta adrenoceptors are activated, cilliary beat frequency increases.
The effect on mucus secretion is less consistent, but the weight of opinion
indicates that beta-2 agonists increase mucocillary clearance. Activation of
beta-2 adrenoceptors on inflammatory cells reduces the release of inflammatory
mediators, and activation of those in vasculature can inhibit the permeability
increase that occurs in inflammation. Thus making it easier to breath.
******* END GEEKY MEDICAL TERMINOLOGY*************
3. Will Clenbuterol help me burn fat?
Hell yes and no. The yes is stated above--Clen is a strong thermogenic. Diet
and cardio are most important in this process (of course), as is a good weight
training regimen. If one keeps a clean diet, does regular cardio (3-4+ times a
week) then Clenbuterol will greatly assist in fat loss. If one sits around the
couch all day, eats empty calories like sugars and simple carbs, Clenbuterol
will be as useful as a sugar pill.
4. What is the recommended dosage for Clenbuterol?
This has become a matter of controversy among the Bodybuilding community. Due
to erroneous assumptions based on livestock dosing based on the types of
receptors that humans and livestock have , 2 days on-2 days off was thought to
be the proper dosage. Given Clenbuterols half-life of about 10 hours, with a
2-days on/2-days off cycle you never have time to get enough of the clenbuterol
out of your system for this to be an effective cycle. In actuality, it probably
hasn even dropped to 50% of your peak concentration before one is taking the
drug again. With this all taken into account, there is no reason to think that
this cycling would significantly reduce the problem of receptor desensitization.
2-weeks on/2-weeks off is a better cycle, with ECA stacked in between.
At a dosage of around 5-7 tablets or 100-140 mcg per day for men over a period
of 8-10 weeks. In females, dosages of 80-100 mcg/day are usually sufficient.
For fat loss, clenbuterol seems to stay effective for 3-6 weeks, then its
thermogenic properties seem to subside. This is noticed when the body
temperature drops back to normal. Its anabolic properties subside much quicker,
somewhere around 18 days. Also keep in mind that anything over 140 mcg a day is
useless since the beta receptors can only handle so much. °
4. Should I taper Clenbuterol on and off?
Yes. With ANY thermogenic, the side effects can be pronounced and a shock to
the system. To lessen these, here is an optimal pill count for a two-week
cycle. (assuming standard Clen dosages of 20mcg such as Spriopent).
Week 1: 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 6, 6
Week 2: 6, 6, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2
Weeks 3 and 4: ECA (Hydroxycut, Xenadrine, Stacker, etc.)
The ECA stacks in between will help prevent against the inevitable crash when
taking Clen.
5. What are some of Clenbuterols side effects?
Possible side effects of Clenbuterol include restlessness, palpitations, tremor
(involuntary trembling of fingers), headache, increased perspiration, insomnia,
possible muscle spasms, increased blood pres-sure, and nausea. Note that these
side effects are of a temporary nature and usually subside after 8-10 days,
despite continuation of the product.
COMMONLY ASKED QUESTIONS:
Q: Can I substiute Ventolase or another asthma medication for Clenbuterol since
they are the same category?
A: No. Remember that the only reason the FDA banned Clenbuterol was because of
the long half-life. Well approved asthma medications have very short
half-lives. Therefore, the effective dosage period is very low.
Q: Will Clenbuterol give me gyno, masculinization, shinkage of the boys or any
steroid-like side effect?
A: No. Clenbuterol has no steroid-like side-effects as the mechanisms are
totally different. This also means that you do not have to take Clomid or any
anti-estrogen during a Clenbuterol cycyle.
Q: Will Clenbuterol show up on a drug test?
A: Only if you are being tested by a body that bans it. This is generally
international competition such as the Olympics. Employment, doctors physicals,
military does NOT test for this. The NCAA is reputed not to, however this is
unknown. It is best to get a presciption from a doctor for asthma medication.
Ventolin, Albuterol and the like trigger the same tests as Clenbuterol. With a
doctors prescription for one of these similar products, the Clen will be seen
as a false positive.
Q: Ive read that the best way to gauge Clenbuterols effectiveness is to watch
for a rise in temperature. Is this true?
A: Although this will show when Clenbuterol is working, it is not the best way
to gauge effective dosage, as everyones body will react differently. This
reaction is sometimes independent of an effective dosage and is not a good way
to gauge if your current dose is effective. The above cycle is based on a
175-lb man. If you are below that, you may want to slightly decrease the dosage
if you find the shakes to be unbearable after 4-5 days.
Q: What are "Street" prices?
A: Though your mileage may vary, if you are paying more than US $.50 a pill,
you are seriously getting the shaft.
°1 Clenbuterol and Asthma - http://www.clenbuterol.com/asthma.htm
°2 Clenbuterol and weightloss - http://www.clenbuterol.com/weightloss.htm
°3 Clenbuterol Profiles -
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/steroi...clenbuterol.htm
BStrongBwell*
New member
I always tapered up and down just like traditional wisdom has said. But I found my tolerance level and have since just done a very quick (2day) taper up with no taper down. I feel like I got better results that way personally.
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