Equigen GH question
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viper10139
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bumping it for you bro....
It has to be mixed with sterile water only mixing it bact with make it useless something to do with the ba killing the protein in it. It's good for 21 days from the time it's mixed so you have to use 10iu ed to ues up the bottle before it expires. Some guys swear by it others say they get nothing off it.
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basskiller
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I want to guys to read something before thinking about using horse GH
Now there is a huge debate over another product that is registered with the Australian government that BresaGen produces. This product is Equigen, which is labelled as equine (horse) growth hormone. It seems that a number of bodybuilders are under the impression that Equigen is not really horse GH but mislabelled human GH. I can find not one iota of evidence to support this assertion. Look, as far as I can tell, this stuff is horse GH. Growth Hormone, being a protein, is very species specific and using horse GH might make you crave sugar cubes while using canine GH might make you lift your leg while pissing on fire hydrants. OK, that might not happen but using the wrong species GH could be catastrophically bad. I am sure there is significant structural homology between all mammalian growth hormones. So I am sure that if you use horse GH (or canine or camel or rat) that it will "work" initially. The problem is at some point (might be after the first injection, might not be until the 50th injection, I don't know when exactly and nobody does but I do know if will definetly happen) injecting the wrong species GH, in the case of Equigen, injecting horse GH, is going to cause a profound immunological response, similar to an allergic reaction. Users of Equigen might go into anaphylactic shock and croak on the spot or they may have signs and symptoms like hay fever which they could treat with antihistamines and the problems might seem to go away. However, the Equigen user's body will have produced antibodies to Equigen
which means they will have produced B-type lymphocytes (these are memory white blood cells that crank out antibodies). So the next time they inject Equigen, the B-cells will release the antibodies and inactivate the Equigen. If all that would happen would be that the Equigen was inactivated, it would not be such a huge deal. Bodybuilders worldwide have unknowingly injected themselves with useless and worthless many times before and will surely do so again. That's not the issue, the issue is that horse and human GH are so close instructure that these antibodies made to the horse GH could very well cross react with the human GH. This would be catastrophically bad. It would mean that your own immune system would attack all the GH in your body, even the GH you normally make. A situation like this has happened before, just so you don't think I am pulling all this shit out of my ass. About 8 years ago, an American biotechnology company made a synthetic "human" GH that differed from the natural GH you produce by one or two amino acids (a very small difference). However, a significant number of users of this "synthetic human GH" had the immune/allergic reaction I have described and made (and continue to make to this day) antibodies that destroy natural human GH.
I know some of you are saying, "big fucking deal, the Equigen stuff is really mislabelled human GH anyhow so this will never happen to me". Maybe you're correct and I am wrong. I have been wrong before, heck, I am only human. But what if I am correct? What if Jason Meuller is correct? Is the risk worth the few extra pounds of muscle or few extra percentiles of bodyfat? This is what I suggest: Unless your name is Mr. Centaur or you are the bastard child of a Tijuana Donkey Show, don't use Equigen until all this BresaGen stuff is finally and unequivocally sorted out. I would suggest only using Serono’s or Lilly’s "made for people" stuff.
Now there is a huge debate over another product that is registered with the Australian government that BresaGen produces. This product is Equigen, which is labelled as equine (horse) growth hormone. It seems that a number of bodybuilders are under the impression that Equigen is not really horse GH but mislabelled human GH. I can find not one iota of evidence to support this assertion. Look, as far as I can tell, this stuff is horse GH. Growth Hormone, being a protein, is very species specific and using horse GH might make you crave sugar cubes while using canine GH might make you lift your leg while pissing on fire hydrants. OK, that might not happen but using the wrong species GH could be catastrophically bad. I am sure there is significant structural homology between all mammalian growth hormones. So I am sure that if you use horse GH (or canine or camel or rat) that it will "work" initially. The problem is at some point (might be after the first injection, might not be until the 50th injection, I don't know when exactly and nobody does but I do know if will definetly happen) injecting the wrong species GH, in the case of Equigen, injecting horse GH, is going to cause a profound immunological response, similar to an allergic reaction. Users of Equigen might go into anaphylactic shock and croak on the spot or they may have signs and symptoms like hay fever which they could treat with antihistamines and the problems might seem to go away. However, the Equigen user's body will have produced antibodies to Equigen
which means they will have produced B-type lymphocytes (these are memory white blood cells that crank out antibodies). So the next time they inject Equigen, the B-cells will release the antibodies and inactivate the Equigen. If all that would happen would be that the Equigen was inactivated, it would not be such a huge deal. Bodybuilders worldwide have unknowingly injected themselves with useless and worthless many times before and will surely do so again. That's not the issue, the issue is that horse and human GH are so close instructure that these antibodies made to the horse GH could very well cross react with the human GH. This would be catastrophically bad. It would mean that your own immune system would attack all the GH in your body, even the GH you normally make. A situation like this has happened before, just so you don't think I am pulling all this shit out of my ass. About 8 years ago, an American biotechnology company made a synthetic "human" GH that differed from the natural GH you produce by one or two amino acids (a very small difference). However, a significant number of users of this "synthetic human GH" had the immune/allergic reaction I have described and made (and continue to make to this day) antibodies that destroy natural human GH.
I know some of you are saying, "big fucking deal, the Equigen stuff is really mislabelled human GH anyhow so this will never happen to me". Maybe you're correct and I am wrong. I have been wrong before, heck, I am only human. But what if I am correct? What if Jason Meuller is correct? Is the risk worth the few extra pounds of muscle or few extra percentiles of bodyfat? This is what I suggest: Unless your name is Mr. Centaur or you are the bastard child of a Tijuana Donkey Show, don't use Equigen until all this BresaGen stuff is finally and unequivocally sorted out. I would suggest only using Serono’s or Lilly’s "made for people" stuff.
superchicken
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i also once read an article from someone who sounded very informed that horse gh would have no effect in a human. i think he was from australia and said the reaon people push it and say it works is cause its 10-15 bucks off the shelf over there, and you can imagine the markup and profit possibilities.....
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