Z-Track method for injecting

bigshug

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• Mar 31, 2003

• #1

OK, so who's heard of this and who does it?? I'm reading a member's post over on FG and he's saying that to use all of the gear in his pin, he's also injecting a little air from the syringe....and that you'd have to inject 3 full cc's of air into a VEIN before you'd be in any danger. What gives? Have we now found a way to use ALL of our gear, or is this method one we shouldn't try??

 

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Badgermoon

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• Mar 31, 2003

• #2

Might work but I have no idea if it is ok for you or not. Untill I know for sure, I'll let the tiny amount of juice stay in the syringe. I'd be concerned about the air causing a clot (small but still not good). Could this happen?

 

Zeca

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• Mar 31, 2003

• #3

when i aspirate a small bubble of air always comes out, and it goes with the gear! i think there´s no problem with that small bubble because our injections are intra-muscular not into a vein. just my opinion......

 

Zeca

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• Mar 31, 2003

• #4

bigshug said:

....and that you'd have to inject 3 full cc's of air into a VEIN before you'd be in any danger.

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and i wouldn´t try this out...that´s for sure!

 

shiko24

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• Mar 31, 2003

• #5

hey it pisses me off about that last little bit of juice in the pin but I would rather lose that then try something like what you are saying but hey thats just my .02

 

BLEED GREEN

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• Mar 31, 2003

• #6

I would be a little leery of injecting air on purpose..

 

DecaDent*

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• Mar 31, 2003

• #7

The Z track method is good especially for larger volume injections,but I agree with everyone else the air thing is just stupid. A small amount of air is really no danger as far as embolism or clot is concerned even if it was injected directly into a vein. But adding air on purpose to extract what amounts to less than 0.1cc of residual gear is just plain dumb.

 

gymrat

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• Mar 31, 2003

• #8

I hate loosing that last little bit of juice in the syringe but there is no way that I would take the risk for that small amount.

 

bigshug

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• Apr 1, 2003

• #9

I thought as much....it didn't seem like an OK thing to do. I'm thinking next time around I'll use Al's idea of pulling b-12 into the pin first so that it's the only thing left inside and not the gear.

 

Armageddon

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• Apr 1, 2003

• #10

A buddy of mine was sent to rehab by his parents and they said that a small amount of air can affect an individual, but the mass's are probably ok. There has to be some kind of problem already present, or at least that's what I gathered from the way he explained it. The other thing that can kill you is to inject something warm, almost hot. Like how people warm up oils sometimes to get them to flow better. Make sure they cool enough, cause he said they went on and on about this kind of shit. But this again is seen causing more deaths in junkies than any where else. They get that shit cooking and get to jumble preparing to hit up a vein. Most die from the injection itself and not an over dose. but this all came from a hillbillie in alabama, so take it with a grain of salt.

 

madchemist36

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• Apr 1, 2003

• #11

imma stick to the good old dart method.

 

Gear101*

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• Apr 1, 2003

• #12

ok i leave alittle air in the dart.. just enought to push out the little bet of gym candy that stays in the end of the jacket... it's really just a small air bubble..

 

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WeirdAl

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• Apr 1, 2003

• #13

Honestly, if you either get the amount of air just right, or if you watch really closely, you can push all the juice out and not actually inject much if any air.

I also suck in a little air before swapping out needles if I use a different needle to draw than inject so I don't leave anything in the draw needle.

 

deltachistud

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• Apr 2, 2003

• #14

i wouldnt run the risk of injecting air on purpose, fo sho

 

Gear101*

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• Apr 2, 2003

• #15

all you have to do is stop the air right when you see it at the tip of the dart and leave the needle half full of gear and air

 

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goldenear

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• Apr 2, 2003

• #16

The level of ignorance on these boards never ceases to amaze me. First, the Z-track and air-lock injection techniques are completely different. Second, I deliberately inject air with my medication on every IM injection and so should you. I guess I'm going to die because I'm pumping in 1/8 cc of air everytime. Get real.

People die of air embolisms because air gets into a vein or artery. And it takes A LOT of air to kill someone...200 cc's! This is according to a coroner who is a forensics specialist. Apparently, he solved a murder investigation where a doctor murdered his wife by injecting massive amounts of air into her vascular network. Do a search on yahoo if you're interested.

Third, don't take my word for it...read about it here. So excuse me while I go inject some air with my Viroromone.

 

bigshug

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• Apr 3, 2003

• #17

Well, thanks for the info but I don't think calling board members ignorant will solve anything. Many people give their opinions in order to try to help other members - I don't think anyone in the above posts was trying to steer me wrong, it actually seemed like they were concerned about my safety and wanted me to make a more informed decision about whether I should shoot air into my body or not. Secondly, if I called the method the wrong thing it's because I saw it on another board....being called the wrong thing. Isn't that what these boards are for?? To provide clarification on subjects that we don't know a lot about??

 

Gear101*

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• Apr 4, 2003

• #18

i just read read this whole thread..where do it say that anyone deliberately injects air into there muscle.. i see where it says that people just a small air bubble to replace the area at the end of the dart where gear is wasted...

 

Gear101*

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• Apr 4, 2003

• #19

The z-track method is a technique to injecting that displaces the tissue and keeps the liquid contained in the tissue layers below the subcutaneous skin layers.

The "Z" denotes pulling the tissue to one side.

http://www.nurseminerva.co.uk/images/ztrack.gif


The air lock injection technique involves injecting a small amount of air with the liquid (IM ONLY!) to keep the fluid rejection to a minimum.

 

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scorpio

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• Apr 4, 2003

• #20

Excellent article, thank you for reducing my “level of ignorance."