TAPER OR NOT TAPER?

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Anticatabolic

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i've heard both: 1) start tapering water on thursday: from 3 gallons to 2, then 1, then minimal; OR 2) keep loading water until friday evening and stop drinking afterwards. what actually works? well, maybe both work since our bodies are all different but what do the majority of you do??
 
You want to taper....do I need to explain it...i guess I will.
Alright by loadin water mon-wed your body see the excess water and starts pushing it through more readily. If you slowly dec. the water intake on thurs and fri., your body's water pushin mechanism is still working and therefore continues to push water and not retain what you are taking in. So do 1 gallon on thurs and half on fri and sip sat.....no sodium on thurs and fri and low sodium on sat.
 
re: water taper

Tapering water is counterproductive to being dry, full , and ripped. This is why:(courtesy durabol )

waterload until sometime on the friday, and then cut it out........don't taper water the last few days.
High water intake inhibits ADH release (high blood volume --> low anti-diuretic hormone release --> less water reabsorption in the kidneys)
....Since ADH is supressed from the high water intake, once you cut out water you will lose more because less is reabsorbed as it is cycled through the kidneys.........it usually takes at least a couple of days until ADH secretion is back to normal (via feedback loop), so you don't want to cut it out too early.

Tapering water causes ADH secretion to increase in response to the slow reduction in water intake. Its counterproductive to taper water.....NEVER DO IT!!!

Peace,
P
 
re: water midwtchamp

The article does take into accouint using diuretics....mostly natural forms ie. uva ursi, vit c, ECA, dandelion....however i have used it successfully with precription ones as well..ie aldactone, aldactazide, lasix IV....
The whole idea is based on a window of opportunity that the body provides due to a slow reaction response. Due to high intake and a sudden stop the body cannot adjust quick enough to stop the diuresis..therefore you keep losing water when you stop drinking...if you taper you are allowing the body ample time to adjust and thus defeating the purpose. The idea works well with both natural and prescription...you just need to find the appropriate time to stop on friday..before the show...a trial run always is a good idea!
Peace,
P
 
Anticatabolic said:
skip, you don't believe in tapering, do you? mind to explain a bit?
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Well, I was going to but Praetorian covered it pretty well.

Praetorian: You know, your writing style is very similar to someone who used to hold a coffee cup and wear glasses. I may have eluded to this before but I sometimes SWEAR you two are one in the same.

Skip
 
re: midwtchamp

Hey bro, the idea behind not tapering works because of how the body reacts....if you have had success in the past with tapering that is good...give this a try and you may be pleasantly surprised!
Peace,
P

ps. thanks skip...oh and the dnp article was an fyi..i figure some may be intent on using it regardless of the dangers so it might be better to inform...know what i mean ;o)
 
midwtchamp said:
hmm this is interesting I have always had best results by taperin....I just dont understand now....oh well
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So have alot of other guys, also. If it works well, don't change it.
If it looks like it could work a bit better than it has been working, give it a try.

Skip
 
re: water / midwtchamp

Here is something you might want to try:

sunday start prescrip diuretics 25 mg am+25mg pm (aldactone)+1 gallon water
monday same diuretics plus eca 2 twice a day + 1.5 gallons
tuesday same diret plus eca 3 times / day + 2 gallons
wednesday same d eca 4 times / day + 2.5 gallons
thursday same d eca 5 times per day + 3 gallons
friday same d eca 6 times / day +4 gallons stop water at 4 pm continue taking diuretics with every meal and keep the same plan with the aldactone am and pm
Sodium load starts saturday week out until wednesday...no sodium thursday onwards
Carb load wednesday and thursday...high wed..lower thurs...no carbs friday until dry...then you can eat almost anything..pizza is great! Just dont gorge yourself...2 slices is best with some gatorade and 5 iu slin...look out!
Peace,
P
 
PRAETORIAN, do ya think loading both carb and sodium at the same time on Wednesday would give any negative result? i understand a lot of ppl drop sodium when they start loading carb. do ya think they have anything to do with each other or they are just two separate things which are not related at all??
 
re:Anticatabolic

I think sodium is a very finicky molecule...too much and you will retain water, too little and you will be completely flat...the trick is to find equilibrium. Normally when i sodium load i start sunday and by wednesday i am eating normal levels at the start of carb uip..so i would say sodium is necessary when carbing up to a point..but not overdoing it...you may have to experiment with a few trial runs to see what works best for you!
Peace,
P
 
water

Very interesting thread. I have my first show in November and iam trying to learn as much as i can for the last week before the show. I will use the non tapering water method but at what point should i consider i need diazide? If iam stilling peeing a lot of volume saturday early morning?I will be up at 4:00 am to start my fat loading. Pre-judjing starts at 9:00 am but as a heavy weight i wont hit the stage untill 11:30 or so.
What are your thoughts on fat loading as in only fat loading with peanut butter, steak and such?
 
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