new here......need your expertice

i have been reading some threads in this section....sure is alot of knowledge flying around in here.

in the first set of pics here i was 260lbs, i am 5'11" FAT
dieted for 20 weeks, maybe 24??? ended up 185 (loss of 75). wa only going to do one show, but am certain i can look better, going to let my skin tighten up!!

next show i want to be 195, so i was thinking of not going over 225-230 in the offseason, i am not going to place, just want to improve my physique personally

this is what i ate from 8 weeks out..

day 1

meal 1

16 eggwhites
1 cup oatmeal
greens+ with flax oil

meal 2

1/2 lb lean ground beef
1 yam

meal 3

8oz chicken breast
3 plain rice cakes

meal 4

16 eggwhites
3 rice cakes

meal 5

7oz fish (sole)
1 cup oatmeal

meal 6

60gr protein shake with flax oil

day2

meal 1

16 egg whites
6 tblspn of cream of wheat
greens + flax oil

meal 2

60 grm protein shake
1/2 yam

meal 3

1/2 lb lean ground beef
1/2 yam

meal 4

16 egg whites
3 rice cakes

meal 5

1/2 lb lean ground beef
1 yam

meal 6

60grm protein shake/ flax oil


day 3

meal 1

16 eggwhites
1 cup oatmeal
greens + flax oil

meal 2

60grm protein shake
2 rice cakes

meal 3

8oz chicken breasts
1/2 yam

meal 4

8oz lean steak
1/2 yam

meal 5

8oz chicken breast
2 rice cakes

meal 6

60 grm protein shake/flax oil



THIS WAS THE DAY B4 SHOW

my show was a saturday

i took aldactazide (50mg/50mg one) from the monday.

i cut my water on Thursday at midnight

Friday

1. 8 egg whites, 1/2 cup oatmeal

2. 6 rice cakes covered in peanut butter and jam

3. 8oz cheese cake

4. normal meal

5. 2 eatmore bars

6. 2 large baby food fruit jars

7. normal meal

8. 8oz cheese cake
250ml of water for the day

3am
2 eatmore bars

Saturday

1. 4 whole eggs 1/2 plate hash browns

2. 2 eatmore bars

large apple pie filling b4 step on scale


i realize this is alot to digest, but better than 5 posts probably...


i feel i looked better nite b4 as water was cut too soon......

fire the ideas at me guys

phats

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alot of pics i know, but i can be helped better if you know more....

So what is your question?-great work-whats next??

lil bit of advice....next time you cut get rid of the rice cakes, use low gi carbs i.e. oats, brown rice, yams, etc.

thanks....Questions

do you think i looked better nite b4?
do you feel cutting water so soon would be the culprit?
what kind of diet to maintain 10-12%bf?

thanks

phatkid77 said:

thanks....Questions

do you think i looked better nite b4?
do you feel cutting water so soon would be the culprit?
what kind of diet to maintain 10-12%bf?

thanks

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1. no question
2. almost certainly but there could be other variables in there too.

3. Find a baseline for your protein and fat. Then, only manipulate your carbs up or down depending on what you need to accomplish.

Or you could get either myself or DP to work with you for your offseason to be sure it is done correctly. If you are interested, let me know.

Skip

Bump for Skip

Bump for Skip as your coach. He'll save you a lot more money than it will cost you for his help and if you follow his advice you will not only avoid mistakes and meet your goals but will also have a strong chance of placing high in your next show.

I have seen you over at pro muscle . Congradulations on your great transformation. You must have worked very hard to acomplish what you did .You should be way proud of your self. Do you use gear ? If so , how long have used and what do you take? I have heard you say your genetics are not that good and I agree .But hard work and smart training , sups , and diet can overcome alot . Look at a guy like dave palumbu, his genetics are horrible.Keep up the good work , you look great ! And you should take Va Maddog's advice[ never seen him give anything but good advice period] and try to work with Skip. He is a hell of a person and very good at what he does .I am currantly working him and plan on continueing to for many many years to come.[ I can't wait to see what the guy can do with me in a couple of years]It looks like you dieted off some muscle and still could have been sharper . Do yourself a favor get with Skip and let him get you the most for your efforts. yOU WON'T REGRETT IT BRO . i PROMISE!

I just wanted to say that you did a great job with your transformation bro.

radical_P said:

I just wanted to say that you did a great job with your transformation bro.

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Yes, I second that.

thanks for the kind words every one......

iabadman

yes i juiced, i have only truely been training hard now for 2 yrs (started 8yrs ago)at that time i started legs, and finally realized the power of diet, however i still believe i did not/am not eating enough!!!!!

gear i took everything, prob. what screwed me over body didn't know WTF

enanthate for the first 10 then prop for the last 8
winny/tren/masteron/EQ

next time i will use less gear....as it stand i want to clean out for a year and see what kind of gains i can make....i hear post show gains are wicked.....here's hoping!!

phats