Making prop from powder vand other conversions as well explained

LabRat

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its very easy. You must have a few ingredient's and scale and sterile vials and filters before starting.
Benzyl Benzoate, Benzyl Alcohol, USP Oil, Whatman 0.45um Syringe Filters some Pre-Sealed Clear Vials and some clean 18 ga pins with syringes bigger one are easier to push with pressure such as a 30cc syringe all of this can be bought on the net for under $50.00 on the high side now your set.
o and a scale I bought this one Toyo 125 for 36.00 a digital to weigh grams of powders.
heres cheap link for scales
http://under-50.balances.com/

With all this and you test powder I will tell you how to do it.
It is nice to have a powder calc chart http://absinth.greatnow.com/calcpowder2.html

I don't know how much you want to convert but I will say you want to make 50cc's @ 100mg per cc. I would not go higher with prop as it goes through body faster than most aas and need shot ed or eod.

Go to the chart and put in how many ml's of oil you want total for final product. Add 50mg (where is says amount of oil) and go to dosage mg and add 100 (so it will add up for 50cc@100mg per cc)and go down to the ba level which they have on 5% is what they have down as a standard this is ok I prefer to use 2.5% BA to 7.5% BB.
rule of thumb 1:3% BA to BB for me for painless conversions.

heres some info on ba and bb
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Benzyl Alcohol is often the primary solvent and sometime the only solvent in a given formula. Its primary function is as a sterilizing agent. However, due to its solvency power it is often used to keep hormones in solution with oil or other vehicles. It is also one of the thinnest (that is best for viscosity reduction) The major drawback to this solvent is that it tends to make for painful injections if the concentration goes above 5%. (This is true for any low molecular weight alcohol). Less than this tends to be painless for most people.
Technical info: CAS # 100-51-6, Density is 1.05, Molecular weight is 108.14, Boiling point is 401f, Water solubility is 4.29g in 100ml.

Benzyl Benzoate is the next common solvent on the list. It is not nearly as strong and much heavier than the benzyl alcohol so benzyl benzoate is used primarily for its latent affects in the depot. Namely it helps keep the hormone in solution at the injection site after the more water-soluble benzyl alcohol has leached from the depot. benzyl benzoate is constructed of two benzene rings bridged by a carbonyl group, this making the solvent extremely hydrophobic. It is also painless at low levels and nearly painless at 15-20% for most people.

BA sterilizes and is closer to a "super-solvent" so to speak then BB, BB is a good solvent but does not sterilize but also does not bring the pain BA does so you should always use small amounts of BA and more BB
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with that you know what these do.

Now back to the chart bro to change to 2.5% ba and 7.5% BB you must go down and put 2.5% put down 0.025 in calc chart and for BB put .075.(don't make mistake of putting 2.5 down) you need a period and a zero before for 2.5% put .025

Now go to bottom and it will add up ratios you need to make the solution
heres what you get 41.25 mg usp oil, 5 grams of powder 1.25mg BA and 3.75 mg BB.

With this know it nice to have a big vial or beaker (nice to have one holds 100cc's and add powder and ba and bb mgs.

I cover top with sterile vial stopper or spectrum and I set it on a table and swirl the powder ba and BB around for a few minutes or let sit and dissolve solution so it is suspended. I then add oil I heated up to around 150 degrees or until very warm with a small funnel that fits into vial I pour in the 41.25 mg oil and seal again with stopper. With oil warm and cooling there will be some air pressure you may want to vent with a small pin stuck in top of vial to even out pressure and top does not fly off.

I than set vial on table or countertop and swirl warm vial (not shake) until its all blended good and it will come together and usually look like hairs are floating in there until solution is completely clear and evenly dispersed. You may need to heat again maybe in pan with water that come to boil and shut off and let bottle "bathe" until warm and swirl again.

Now its almost done get a vial and a filter and 18ga pin and using sterile sealed vial. Take whatman filter and put a 18 ga on end of it and push through spectrum. To keep air pressure even and allows filtering process to go easy put another pin can be any size next to filter.

Now get at least a 10 cc syringe and put a sterile 18 ga tip on it leaving filter and other 18 ga buried still in vial.

This process is easier when oil mixture is still warm and use 18 ga and 10 cc syringe and draw up 10 cc. Now take off tip and set the syringe on the filter grasp firmly and apply constant pressure as you have to push solution through filter it takes a bit of work but not bad.

When this is done and all solution is filters vialed pull out pins and there ya go very simple and fast way to make 50cc's.

I can do it in about 15 mins but take your time its much easier then tren as you don't have to separate binders and fillers just add the correct concentrations and powder without the mess.

Hope this helps I will try to get some pics up.

I forgot to add save about 3 to 5 cc's usp oil in syringe to purge filter afterwords to get remaining mgs out
 
Those instructions are great. The volume dispersment I thought for Deca and EQ are different than Tests. Tests are 0.75ml per 1 gram and I thought Deca/EQ is more like 1.15ml per 1 gram. Am I right with this? So if you where using 10 grams for each then the test would account for 7.5ml and the Deca/EQ would account for 11.5ml. This may be wrong but what I do is this.....I took a 100cc bottle and I just marked out 25cc, 50cc, 75cc, 100cc on the bottle. If I know I am going with 5%BA & 15%BB I just filter enough oil to the final solution....to hit the appropiate level. So when I take my un-sterile vial and add my BA, BB, and some oil and make sure it mixes well I then filter that to my sterile vial and then I just filter more oil till I hit my 100cc mark.
 
Good info.

DG,
The closer is a good bro of mine. You two seem to be the most knowlegeable on the board. Thanks again for all your help.
 
I seen deca and bold undec suspended with BA level as low as 1% and about 10 to 15% BB.

It would be painless but I do worry a bit about sterility. I would be very clean doing this.
 
I have made them both DG. I went with the the 1:3 ratio.....5%BA & 15%BB. Deca and EQ though have more of a displacement than prop, enanthate, and cyp. I have made all of those and I have had great success. Do you know the rule of thumb on the EQ/Deca displacement? I know prop, cyp, and enanthate is 0.75ml per mg. I think the DECA/EQ is like 1.15 or 1.3ml per mg. That is why I just use the pre-measured bottle to fill upto so then I really don't have to worry about the math so much. I just make sure I use the 1:3 ratio.
 
250mg of Prop per CC/ML

Coffee grind to "flour" constintency. 5% B.A & 20% B.B. A low viscosity oil, "cotten seed" is appropiate. Hot water bath when B.A is added to bring into solution. Even after first run you will have a small percentage that will only stay in "suspension". Even with the small about that doesn't stay in solution the crystallazation that occurs after inject brings minimal pain. I would attribute this to the grinding of the crystals that was done before hand.

GEA/BrightStar:)
 
Wow! I have never seen or heard of anyone making prop over 100mg/cc. Does it have painful injections? Why would you want such a high dosage with the short half-life of prop?
 
Injects really aren't that bad, 100mg Suspension hurts so much more. Since you finely grind the crystals, when it accumalates at the site of your inject it's easly dispersed due to the crystal size. Plus the higher concentration of B.B (20% compared to standard 15%) eases the pain factor.

Even though prop's half-life is short, you still want to maintain a high level of "Free test" in your system. At 1750mg's per 7 day week, litteraly magical things happen a dosages this high and over. Get up and over to between 2-3 grams of test a week and I'm sure you will see results like you never had before at much lower dosages. Ther is a reason why so many say "Test is Best!!"

Let's say that 50% of the prop is out of your system in 48 hours at 250mg per day/500mg every other day. At any given point in time you'll have 250mg's of unbinded test in your system. Prop is best used on a E.D regimen, it's very easy to monitor and control the amount in your system at any time.

GEA/BrightStar;)
 
GEA....I agree bro with your line of thinking. I have just not seen prop over 100mg per cc. I would usually just do 2cc's per day.

You really feel like a pin cushion when you do a prop and fina cycle.
 
GEA said:
250mg of Prop per CC/ML

I would attribute this to the grinding of the crystals that was done before hand.



Grinding the crystals makes absolutely no difference whatsoever. Don't you realize you are dissolving the crystals into the carrier solution, generally oil/BA/BB in this case. You can dissolve a large chunk of test prop. or finely powdered prop and it ends up in the same state after it is dissolved. No offense but this is basic chemistry.............and another thing to think about, do you really think crystals are going to make it though a micron filter???? Of course not, they are completly dissolved if you have done it right.

Lola
 
I can see that thing have gotten very chemistry minded these days. A lot safer than along time again when no one knew how to do anything.
 
wondering about powder..

I apologize if this question is dumb. I am new to the site and see many threads on conversion with powders to make,prop,eq and many others....How do you get the powders for this process. I think the instructions are great but how do I make it without the key ingredients.....I know for tren you just go to a vet web site....getting bored of tren want to make something else, can you lead me in the right direction...Sorry for messing up this thread....if I did...Thanks :rolleyes:
 
When you make 50cc of prop,after you are done can you transfer 10cc into 5 10ml vails,but how must this be done properly with contamination.
 
thecloser said:
Those instructions are great. The volume dispersment I thought for Deca and EQ are different than Tests. Tests are 0.75ml per 1 gram and I thought Deca/EQ is more like 1.15ml per 1 gram. Am I right with this? So if you where using 10 grams for each then the test would account for 7.5ml and the Deca/EQ would account for 11.5ml.

I thought EQ is .85mL per gram, or 8.5 per 10g. Whereas test and most others are only .75mL/gram, or 7.5 for 10g. This is what I've read/been told by many homebrewers, but I could be wrong.

I'm not sure what the weight of Deca is, it may or may not be the same as EQ.
 
lola said:
GEA said:
250mg of Prop per CC/ML

I would attribute this to the grinding of the crystals that was done before hand.



Grinding the crystals makes absolutely no difference whatsoever. Don't you realize you are dissolving the crystals into the carrier solution, generally oil/BA/BB in this case. You can dissolve a large chunk of test prop. or finely powdered prop and it ends up in the same state after it is dissolved. No offense but this is basic chemistry.............and another thing to think about, do you really think crystals are going to make it though a micron filter???? Of course not, they are completly dissolved if you have done it right.

Lola



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