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T-Biggs
04-01-2004, 08:59 PM
Hey All

New to the board and I must say I like what I see especially this section reguarding R3 Long IGF-1, which I have already learned allot just by reading throughout the threads....
However I have just recently purchased some R3 Long IGF-1 (MR) and just had a few questions hopefully some one can answer for me such as measuring a dosage within a 100 unit slin pin-the IGF is 1mg/1mg BA and the way I see it 2 units = 20mcg correct? Secondly the bottle says to store in 15 degrees C and since I don't have a temp gauge would that be in the frige or the freezer?

I plan on running 20mcg in the morning and 20mcg post workout along with my current cycle of GARD TTS 150mg/ED and Zencall Enath 250/per week (4 weeks in).

franconian
04-02-2004, 02:24 AM
that would definetly be the fridge! lol

f=9/5c+32

Supra
04-03-2004, 12:23 AM
Put it in the freezer man, I dont care what it says, its better in the freezer, that is were I keep mine, the colder the better, the longer and more potent it lasts

T-Biggs
04-03-2004, 01:07 AM
Thanks Supra......its been in the freezer since I got it on Wed. Let me ask you-since I saw in a previous thread you bought your R3 Long IGF-1 from the same place I did (MR) how your end results as I start my first experience with IGF on Monday.

einstein1905
04-03-2004, 06:09 PM
Most U-100 slin pins have 50tics total. Your LR3 is at 1mg/mL, which is the same as 1mcg/microliter. Each tic on your pin represents 20microliters. 20mcg of LR3 will be one tic. You can add another mL of BA to make measuring easier w/o any worry.
Keep it in the freezer for sure....no reason not to. Like Supra said, the colder, the less chance of any degradation.




Originally posted by T-Biggs
Hey All

New to the board and I must say I like what I see especially this section reguarding R3 Long IGF-1, which I have already learned allot just by reading throughout the threads....
However I have just recently purchased some R3 Long IGF-1 (MR) and just had a few questions hopefully some one can answer for me such as measuring a dosage within a 100 unit slin pin-the IGF is 1mg/1mg BA and the way I see it 2 units = 20mcg correct? Secondly the bottle says to store in 15 degrees C and since I don't have a temp gauge would that be in the frige or the freezer?

I plan on running 20mcg in the morning and 20mcg post workout along with my current cycle of GARD TTS 150mg/ED and Zencall Enath 250/per week (4 weeks in).

T-Biggs
04-05-2004, 11:19 AM
einstein1905

Just so I have this clear my L3 IGF-1 came already mixed with 1mg of BA already so isn't 2 tics=20mcg meaning:

1 tic =IGF and 1 tic =BA totaling: 2 tics/20mcg

Thick1
04-05-2004, 02:07 PM
No the igf is in powder and is reconstituted in BA at 1ml or 1000 mcg, Therefore as Einstein stated if 1 tick (you should count the amount of lines or ticks on your 1ml syringe), there will either be 100 or 50, if 100 then 1 line/tick is 10 mcg, if 50 then 1 line/tick is 20 mcg of IGF.

In each vial of 1ml/1000mcg at a dosage of 40mcgs per day you should have 25 days worth.

Hope this clarifies things...

T-Biggs
04-05-2004, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by Thick1
No the igf is in powder and is reconstituted in BA at 1ml or 1000 mcg, Therefore as Einstein stated if 1 tick (you should count the amount of lines or ticks on your 1ml syringe), there will either be 100 or 50, if 100 then 1 line/tick is 10 mcg, if 50 then 1 line/tick is 20 mcg of IGF.

In each vial of 1ml/1000mcg at a dosage of 40mcgs per day you should have 25 days worth.

Hope this clarifies things...

I'm using a BD 100unit/1cc syringe with 50 counted ticks (lines) so 1line/tick is 20mcg-correct?

Sorry if I sould like an idiot here I just wan tot get this exactly right and not waste any as I think I have already by shooting this morning at 2 ticks...

By the way does anyone see a problem with diluteing each 20mcg with saline instead of BW at the time of injection?

Thick1
04-05-2004, 04:28 PM
T,

Yes, 1 tick/line on your 50 tick/line syringe is 20 mcgs.

On the dilution with saline solution, not sure how pure and if it is injectable. I know in reading gropep it states to dilute with BW. But just remember that the dilution is really to make you able to see the ticks/lines better and to get all the igf into you from the injection as we all know a little is always left behind in a shot.

Now here is a twist for the IGF gurus, will B-12 work and not destroy any of the igf active properties???

T-Biggs
04-05-2004, 05:20 PM
Thanks Thick..............I definitely go it now!!

einstein1905
04-05-2004, 10:16 PM
Originally posted by Thick1
T,

Yes, 1 tick/line on your 50 tick/line syringe is 20 mcgs.

On the dilution with saline solution, not sure how pure and if it is injectable. I know in reading gropep it states to dilute with BW. But just remember that the dilution is really to make you able to see the ticks/lines better and to get all the igf into you from the injection as we all know a little is always left behind in a shot.

Now here is a twist for the IGF gurus, will B-12 work and not destroy any of the igf active properties???
B-12 is fine too. I wouldn't reconstitute my IGF-1 in it, but using it in the pin to dilute is fine....I've done it.



If the saline is 0.9% sterile saline, it should be fine to use BTW

bodybybob
04-06-2004, 12:25 AM
they are riight about the math,i line =20mcg

bodybybob
04-06-2004, 12:47 AM
you are right if its mixed at 1;1ratio useing BA its 1000mcg.per ml which makes it 20mcg per line

bodybybob
04-06-2004, 12:52 AM
ALSO HERE IS HOW TO DO IT ,GET B WATER , DRAW 12 LINES OF WATER INTO SLIN NEEDLE TAKE THE NEEDLE OUT OF THE WATER VAIL,SNAP THE NEEDLE WITH YOUR FINGER TO GET ANY AIR BUBLLES UP TO THE TOP OF THE NEEDLE ,THEN SQUIRT OUT TWO LINES SO AS TO REMOVE THE AIR BUBBLES FROM THE NEEDLE,YOU NOW HAVE 10LINES OF WATER IN THE SYRINGE ,NOW VERY CAREFULLY CLEAN THE NEEDLE WITH AN ALCOHOL SWAB,(THIS IS TO REMOVE ANY RESIDUE WATER ON THE NEEDLE ,SO THAT YOU DONT PUT ANY WATER INTO THE IGF-1 VAIL SINCE WATER WILL DEGRADE THE IGF-1 IN ITS VAIL)ONCE YOU CLEAN THE NEEDLE WITH THE ALCOHOL SWAB WAIT A COUPLE OF SECONDS FOR THE ALCOHOL ON TH E NEEDLE TO DRY THEN STICK THE NEEDLE INTO THE IGF-1 ,AND DRAW OUT HOW MUCH YOU ARE USEING ,THEN PULL OUT THE NEEDLE ,DO NOT SHAKE THE SYRINGE ,YOU WILL SEE THAT THERE IS A CLEAR SEPERATION BETWEEN THE WATER AND THE IGF-1 ,AND WHEN YOU GO TO INJECT, THE WATER IS THE LAST TO BE INJECTED INTO YOUR INJECT SITE WHICH MEANS IT CLEARS OUT WHATEVER IGF-1 WAS IN THE NEEDLE,THIS WAY YOU DONT HAVE TO WASTE ANY IGF-1 ,SOME PEOPLE USE MUCH MORE WATER ,BUT I HAVE FOUND THAT USEING ONLY 10 LINES OF WATER IS ENOUGH TO CLEAR OUT THE IGF-1 ,AND IT MEANS YOU ARE INJECTING LESS VOLUME OF LIQUID INTO YOUR INJECTION SITE ,I GET VERY LITTLE OR NO PAIN DOING IT THIS WAY ,PUTTING BW INTO THE VAIL OF IGF-1 WILL DEGRADE IT VERY RAPIDLY ,AND GROPREP AS FAR AS I HAVE READ TELL YOU TO USE EITHER BA OR (I CANT REMEMEBER EXACTLY ,BUT THEY SAY TO USE A HYDROLIC ACID TO MIX)NOT ANY WATER ,PUT GROPREP IN YOUR SEARCH ENGINE AND YOU CAN GET THEIR SITE WITH ALL THE INFO,BUT ALL THE BROS I KNOW ARE USEING THE IGF-1 WHICH HAS BEEN MIXED WITH BA,THEY USE THE WATER THE WAY I DO ,NEVER PUT WATER TO MIX IGF-1IN THE VAIL

einstein1905
04-06-2004, 01:38 AM
Originally posted by bodybybob
t biggs you are right ,i dont know what these orther bros are talking about there are two slin syringes one is 1/2 cc which has 50 lines and the orther is a 1cc syringe which has 100lines to it . I use the MR igf-1r3 it comes mixed and 1mg=1000mcg,1 line on either slin syringe =10mcg of mixed igf-1r3(1 IU =10MCG AND 1 IU = 1 LINE ON THE SLIN SYRINGE)

It's simple math, buddy. Most U-100 slin pins (there are many brands BTW) have 50 tics, which means, since they are U-100 , they are for slin that is 100IU/mL. On a 1mL slin needle, there are almost always 50 tics, which means each tic is 2IUs of slin. Also, since the pin holds 1mL, which is 1000microliters, and it's divided up into 50 equal portions (via tic marks), there are 20 microliters between each tic (1000microliters/50 = 20microliters). Your IGF-1 is at 1mg/mL, which is 1mcg/microliter. 20 microliters equals 20mcgs....since one tic represents 20microliters, it is 20mcg/tic

We also clearly both stated that IF he was using a U-100 with 100 tics the math would be 1/2 that with a U-100 with 50 tics. Most people use Terumos, which have 50 tics. He, himself, even said he is using the slin pins with 50 tics



I hate it when people are arrogant and wrong

bodybybob
04-06-2004, 12:10 PM
you are right ,1line is 2iu of slin which makes each line 20mcg of igf-1 ,i dont know what i was thinking of

einstein1905
04-06-2004, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by bodybybob
you are right ,1line is 2iu of slin which makes each line 20mcg of igf-1 ,i dont know what i was thinking of

No problem....sorry for coming off kind of harsh

Thick1
04-06-2004, 05:46 PM
T,

I hope this didn't get you confused. Just stay with what Einstein stated. Simple...

Also as Einstein stated check the pureness on your saline.

Einstein thanks on the B-12, kill 2 birds with 1 shot...

T-Biggs
04-06-2004, 07:29 PM
I was a bit confused at first but I posted this question on a couple other boards and got the same response as Einstein stated first-so I'm good to go thanks again guys!!

mr.lean
04-20-2004, 04:15 PM
what if you have the 3/10 cc meaning only 30 i.u/tics i use the 30 i.u pins for slin so i have tons of them don't see why i should buy 100i.u ones or 50 the 30 is still says 100u on side but only has 30 tics

finafreak
04-27-2004, 03:15 AM
Anyone use Gensci igf-1?


fina

proud13
04-28-2004, 01:52 PM
bodybybob,
You stated "SO THAT YOU DONT PUT ANY WATER INTO THE IGF-1 VAIL SINCE WATER WILL DEGRADE THE IGF-1 IN ITS VAIL"

Where the hell do you get your information? Water will not degrade IGF. In fact water has a slightly higher pH than BA and if you knew what IGF required you would know that IGF requires an 'acidic' environment. BA is worse than water.

I'm suprised einstein didn't already jump on you for that.

proud13
04-28-2004, 01:58 PM
Look for the other post I recenlty bumped with my username as author. I'll make it a sticky when I learn how to use that trick.

bodybybob
04-28-2004, 06:47 PM
you are a member of animals forum arent you well go check out what they say and to me they are the smartest bros on the internet ,so what the HELL are you talking about!!!!!also most of the sources that i know of use BA to mix igf-1 and i use it and it lasts a long time and gives me reults and also all the other bros i know of on one of the site i am a mod at use the same stuff and they get results ,with BA so as i say before what the hell are you talking about

proud13
04-29-2004, 02:42 PM
bodybybob,
Yes animal is the genious who came up with the idea of putting IGF in BA originally. Why he thought this up I have no idea?

You can be a lemming all you want but I've posted the manufacturers directions on how to mix it up and they've tested it to record degradation. If there was a better way don't you think they would have researched it and recommended it?

I don't give a shit what animal says. Many well respected and more knowledgable people will tell you he is not as educated as he claims to be. Feel free to tell him that and yes a long time ago before I researched IGF on my own I went on that board and saw post after stupid post about how to put the IGF with BA and even Animal said in one post..."I've never used it though".
He tries to demean anybody who doubts him or his wannabe guru-like ways but he doesn't even make sense while doing it or establish a factual basis.

Also, you didn't answer my question about water degrading IGF. Is that something you heard, made up or accidentally posted?

I'll gladly go over to his board again if you pm me the site since I somehow lost the 'so helpful site'. By the way you stated "they are the smartest bros on the internet" well obviously you don't get around much b/c that couldn't be farther from the truth. I'm sure everybody has some intelligent people, along with newbies and then people that just use stuff and go along with hearsay from others and you fall into the later category which to me is a lemming who follows others, beleives others, doesn't research and tries to act like you truly know when all you're really doing is passing on info you heard somewhere.

You can mix IGF with anything you like....Kool-Aid, Mountain Dew, BA or even piss and it will work to some extent (if not completely in the begginging) but it will degrade at different rates. Think about it this way (the simplest terms) if you have two drinks with the same amount of liquid but one has more ice cubes and you put them in the sun, which one will stay colder longer and retain a lower temperature? Obviously the one with more ice cubes and in this case.....the IGF which is mixed correctly (with a higher pH than that of water > BA) will last longer and meet the manufacturers specs.

evilgoach
05-03-2004, 06:03 PM
T bigg check your pm's.

bodybybob
05-04-2004, 03:46 AM
i have been researching igf-1 since it first came out and as i said before animals forum is the best imo when it comes to tech.info,so animal is not who i rely on ,i do my on research and i have researched gropeps site also .so you can belive what you want .but as i said before the BB that are useing igf-1r3 are useing the product that is mixed with BA since there are only a few sources that sell it and they mix it with BA and most people can not get it from gropep,and they get results just like me ,as i said before BW degrades the igf-1r3 very fast withen hrs,if left out and not frozen ,so you can do what you want ,and mix it anyway you want ,me i will stick with the BA and when i do a shot i will backload the syringe with BW so as to get all of the igf-1 out of the syringe

proud13
05-04-2004, 02:35 PM
Geez you really are stupid bodybybob,

SHOW ME WHERE THE FUCK IT SAYS TO USE BA ON GROPEPS SITE YOU FREAKING, DUMBASS LIAR!!!

IF YOU READ THE GROPEP SITE THEN YOU WOULD KNOW WHAT PH THE IGF-1R3 REQUIRES AND BA DOESN'T PROVIDE IT. IN FACT BA HAS A LOWER PH THAN BACTERIOSTATIC WATER. SO HOW COULD YOU SAY IT WOULD DEGRADE IN A FEW HOURS?? HAVE YOU DONE AN ELISA TEST TO RECORD THAT DEGRADATION? SHOW ME A STUDY THAT CAN BACK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT BAW DESTROYING IGF-1R3 IN JUST HOURS.

OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVEN'T DONE YOUR RESEARCH. YOU CERTAINLY DON'T UNDERSTAND SCIENCE, CHEMISTRY OR BIOLOGY!! YOU HAVE NOT RESEARCHED THIS STUFF AND THAT IS APPARENT BY YOUR COMPLETE LACK OF UNDERSTANDING ON IGF-1R3 AND EVEN THE INFORMATION I POSTED WHICH IS DIRECTLY FROM THE MANUFACTURER...WHICH YOU SUPPOSEDLY HAVE READ...NOT.

PLEASE DON'T POST ANYMORE UNLESS YOU CAN PROVE ANYTHING YOU STATE DIPSHIT LEMMING!! FIND YOURSELF A BIG CLIFF TO WALK OFF B/C NOT TOO MANY OTHER MORONS ARE GOING TO MISS YOU WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SOME IN ANIMAL'S CULT. YOU'RE A STUPID ASS LIAR AND I'M TIRED OF DEFENDING FACTS TO YOU. YOU HAVE TOO MUCH PRIDE AND IGNORANCE TO LEARN FROM OTHERS. YOU WILL GO NO WHERE IN LIFE WITHOUT LEARNING AND LISTENING TO OTHERS AND RESEARCHING (OR LEARNING TO RESEARCH) ON YOUR OWN. YOU'RE A FOLLOWER AND I'M A LEADERS. SORRY, MAYBE IT'S GENETICS, EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUD OR MY IQ BUT IT'S UNFORTUNATE AND SAD BUT OBVIOUSLY TRUE. GOODBYE~

proud13
05-04-2004, 02:41 PM
http://www.gropep.com/index.php/article/articleview/81/1/50/

bodybybob,
BEFORE POSTING BE SURE TO CLICK THE ABOVE LINK. IT IS THE GROPEP HANDLING PROCEDURES (ACTIVATION) OF THE IGF-1R3.

bodybybob
05-05-2004, 02:01 AM
listen you fucking asshole i never said gropep said to use BA maybe you should learn to read and i have been researching igf-1 since the time of nassar and yates,WHICH IS MORE THAN YOUR 2 FUCKING YEARS ,not only that you are a fucking begginer next to me i have been studying and training for over 53 yrs and still am hardcore at 70 ,i have forgot more than you know in fact i was teaching BB and nutrition before you were fucking born and i also started useing roids in the late 60s when iT first was being used by BB,AND I EXTENSIVLY REAEARCHED THAT ,i personaly trained with mr america and two pro universes and now am training in a gym where one of the bros quilified for the nationals ,this is a hardcore gym not one of those waterted down places,,i was useing hgh and did extensive research on it ,since the time of haney and labrada ,i converse with two of my long time friends who have degrees in chemistry ,so you know what go fuck your self with your false info ,BW WILL DEGRADE IGF-1 AND I REPEATE ALL THE BB I KNOW THAT USE IGF-1 ARE USEING IT MIXED WITH BA AND GET RESULTS AND LIKE YOU SAY THERE ARE NO PROVEN MED.RESULTS ON WHAT YOU ARE SAYING (FUCK GROPEP,THEY ARE ASSHOLES )BUT WHAT IS TRUE IS EVERYONE IS USEING BA AND IT IS WORKING ,THAT GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME ,AROGGENT MORON ,OF COURSE WHAT GROPEP MIXES THERE IGF-1 WITH WORKS ALSO .BUT SO DOSE BA,WHAT THE FUCK MAKES YOU THINK YOU KNOW MORE THAN OTHERS YOUR A FUCKIN NEWBIE

Presser
05-05-2004, 08:48 AM
lol, now now boys, play nice fellers, Im sorry if anyone got offended either way, and im no guru on the shit but I had success with ba and igf, great success in fact, but hey maybe if i reconstituted right it could have been that much better, but no more bashing each other please

bodybybob
05-05-2004, 10:54 PM
lmao, had me going tHere foR a WHILE:moon:

proud13
05-06-2004, 10:42 AM
I leave it like this. You've proven who is more intelligent by your post and if you were to talk to chemists or biologists they would let you know that mixing a highly unstable chain of amino acids [in this case IGF-1LR3] with BA the properties would not hold for as long as it would if mixed like the manufacturer states.

Btw-you stated Gropep is idiots.....LMAO!! :laugh: I'm sure you could come up with a way to design IGF to be resistant to IGFBP's and then make it using recombinant E-Coli bacteria. Of course they're idiots they only own the international patents and it's a bunch of monkeys without Ph.D's who design and test these cytokines. Geez you prove it more and more as each post goes on.

You're 70 years old and you think that means your wise and more intelligent than me? :dizzy: Age doesn't equal a Ph.D I don't care how much research you do (or in your case don't do)!! Be sure to prove me wrong though by simply emailing or calling Gropep and asking them about BA and the cytokine IGF-1R3. I have talked with not only an Australian scientist but a US Distributor (of IGF-1R3) who was the C.S.O (Chief Scientific Officer) at length about the stupidity of the idea and how impractical it is.

I'd say grow up and learn but never mind you'll be dead when the study comes out stating the degradation of IGF-1 in BA. Maybe you can just roll over in your grave though with with humiliation.

C'ya.. :wave: