Heating BA

I was thinking wouldn't you evaporate off your BA when you heat a vented vial for a sterile reaction? For some reason I've been reading alot of post about heating after the BA is added. Shouldn't you bake and then add BA?

Also, how do you get powder in a sealed vial without capping tools?

Thanks

thank you for bringing this up. it gives me a chance to pursue another of the witches on my hunt.

the boiling point of benzyl alcohol is 205 degrees celsius, 401 degrees-ish fahrenheit. it's not particularly volatile stuff:

http://www.chemexper.com/chemicals/supplier/cas/100-51-6.html

on the other hand, if you heat it up that much the hormone itself will undoubtedly degrade significantly, and the oil's boiling point is probably not that far off. it'll certainly start evaporating before the BA.

if you want to sterilize gear, run it through a 45um whatman syringe filter.

oh. and as far as getting powder in a sterile vial... why? buy a pre-sterilized vial, mix the gear outside in whatever cesspool you like, then shoot everything into the vial through the syringe filter. you'll need several as they clog pretty easily.

Is the boiling point and vaporization the same? What got me thinking of all this was actually the way a moonshine still works. You know, how the alcohol vapors before the mash. I never heated BA though. Are you sure a whatman will sterilize? That doesn't sound correct to me. I'd still feel better about heating the oil and gear before running it through the whatman. I agree that too much heat isn't good for the hormone. I was thinking a 180 degree fahrenheit bath would be plenty for the oil/gear/BB, then load it hott into a sterile vial through a whatman, then add the BA. Does that sound secure?

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Of course gypsy, thanks

optimalbalance said:

Is the boiling point and vaporization the same? What got me thinking of all this was actually the way a moonshine still works. You know, how the alcohol vapors before the mash. I never heated BA though. Are you sure a whatman will sterilize? That doesn't sound correct to me. I'd still feel better about heating the oil and gear before running it through the whatman. I agree that too much heat isn't good for the hormone. I was thinking a 180 degree fahrenheit bath would be plenty for the oil/gear/BB, then load it hott into a sterile vial through a whatman, then add the BA. Does that sound secure?

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i know nothing about moonshine. i don't drink. but ethanol is very volatile; it evaporates at a lower temperature than water.

http://people.howstuffworks.com/moonshine2.htm

i gave myself a pathetically brief introduction there. apparently the direct analogy here would be the benzyl alcohol boiling off, but the temperature used there is high enough to boil ethanol off easily. it's kinda analogous that water will evaporate very gradually at room temperature, but this is a miniscule amount. you won't lose much BA, if any at all.

a whatman will certainly sterilize. there are very few bacteria small enough to pass through a .45um pore, and they're extremely rare/exotic/not dangerous. if you're ultra-paranoid you can use a .22um filter, through which no bacterium you'll ever encounter can fit. for all intents and purposes .45um is fine. i've done hundreds of shots of unbaked gear through a .45um and never had any infection at all.

Very nice, I'm going to not even worry about heating it then. I guess the BA will make for a little backup also. Now I can't understand why anyone would want to go over 3% and deal with more pain. Thanks

optimalbalance said:

Very nice, I'm going to not even worry about heating it then. I guess the BA will make for a little backup also. Now I can't understand why anyone would want to go over 3% and deal with more pain. Thanks

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long shelf-lives or unclean storage for the most part. remember it can certainly still get contaminated after it's bottled; this is where BA's bacteriostatic properties are useful, not in the initial filtration and decontamination. most pharmas use 10% BA afaik.

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Hey gypsy what the hell did anything you said in this post have to actually do with the post itself....NOTHING. I come on here to learn and help, not to sift thru your nonsense. Please keep you comments to the relate topics and make sensible comments not gibbersih that takes me 10 minutes to realize you said nothing important or pertinant. This is your only warning.

no shit but thanks for commenting about...whatevere the hell it was you commented about!

as for your question, use a pot of boiling water or warm water insert a cup into it(glass or even a coffee cup) when you mix stuff together (powders, oils, ba,bb) heating is always best to insure proper solution mix and much easier to work with. mix everything together and then heat gently noy allowing evaporation condensation to enter your pre-mixed container.

by doing this the heat will have no ill effect on ba, bb or anything else. as long as there is no direct contact with the direct heat source(ie. the burner)

use a flask or even a large unsealed vial.
mix together by swirling when the solution is warm and do what he said.
filter sysringe into clean vials. easy as that and no ba or bb problems.

if you heat BB on a stove it will evaporate like water but too high a heat it will ignite and cause a spindle of boiling and popping.

I just did this test outside for you to see for myself.

the ba just ignited and evaporated like rubbing alcohol does. hope this helps bro, and its not jibberish!

Thanks alot

Crimsonsweat said:

the ba just ignited and evaporated like rubbing alcohol does. hope this helps bro, and its not jibberish!

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yeah, absolutely right. the flash point for BA is ~93 degrees celsius, to put a number on the experience. combining when warm would be fine, and might help if you're going high concentration, though i'd watch out for it crashing in storage later.