IGF-1 & LR3IGF

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Has anyone taken these two together or know what the benefits vs. the deficits would be to taking both at the same time? Without mentioning names O-labs is selling the LR3 for roughly the price of the IGF-1 here on Muscle Chemistry, I was wondering if it would be worth my while to do both at once?
 
Have you read any of the posts by Marble on regular IGF-1? You'd have to be injecting many times per day to use it, not to mention that it would be extremely cost prohibitive as well.

I've heard of another form of IGF call des-IGF or something like that--I know I don't have the name right. It is supposed to be 500 times more potent than the lr3-IGF form. I can't remember where I saw it--I'll have to track it down.
 
Hahaha

So, there is some miracle drug that is 500x better than the already wonderful drug that I'm taking right now and you can't remember where to find it? Man, what's wrong with you?

J/K I would greatly appreciate you trying to remember where you saw it, if you get the chance
 
Lol, believe me, I'm looking hard. I'll post info about it as soon as I can find it again.
 
Okay, I finally found the info on it. There is more out there--I wasn't too far off with the name. It is actually des(1-3)IGF-I.

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Biochem J. 1991 Jun 1; 276 ( Pt 2): 547-54. Related Articles, Links

Increased weight gain, nitrogen retention and muscle protein synthesis following treatment of diabetic rats with insulin-like growth factor (IGF)-I and des(1-3)IGF-I.

Tomas FM, Knowles SE, Owens PC, Read LC, Chandler CS, Gargosky SE, Ballard FJ.

CSIRO Division of Human Nutrition, Adelaide, South Australia.

We have examined the effects of infusing recombinant human growth hormone (hGH), insulin-like growth factor-I (IGF-I), the truncated IGF-I analogue, des(1-3)IGF-I, and insulin over a 7-day period in streptozotocin-induced diabetic rats. IGF-I at a dose of 1.05 or 1.08 mg/kg per day in two experiments increased body weight and nitrogen retention above those of vehicle-infused controls to about 30% of the improvement achieved with 25 or 30 units of insulin/kg per day, but only in the second experiment were the differences statistically significant (P less than 0.05). A 2.5-fold higher IGF-I dose, or des(1-3)IGF-I at 1.08 mg/kg per day, gave effects that were approx. 70% of those obtained with insulin. hGH at 1.38 mg/kg per day was not effective. The IGF peptides, unlike insulin, did not ameliorate the diabetic glucosuria. The improvements in nitrogen balance could be accounted for in part by increases in muscle protein synthesis. Muscle protein breakdown, as assessed by 3-methylhistidine excretion, was inhibited by insulin, but not by the IGF peptides. Carcass fat increased substantially following insulin administration. This did not occur with the IGF peptides, suggesting that IGF predominantly stimulates the growth of lean tissue. IGF-I concentrations and IGF-I-binding proteins in plasma were increased by IGF-I, especially at the higher dose, whereas hGH produced only a transient increase in IGF-I. Des(1-3)IGF-I induced binding proteins, but had only a slight effect on measured IGF-I concentrations. We conclude that IGF peptides stimulate muscle protein synthesis and improve nitrogen balance in diabetes without obviously influencing the abnormal carbohydrate metabolism. Moreover, des(1-3)IGF-I is at least as potent as the full-length IGF-I.

PMID: 1710892 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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The stuff is still quite expensive, but I've heard that some people have been making it available on the black market. It is a truncated form of IGF-1 or lr3-IGF. I'll post some more links about it later.
 
Sorry but I don't see how a study in diabetic rats recieving 1.801 mg per kg of body weight per day has any correlation to human use, or that des IGF is any more potent. In fact in that article it simple states that des IGF is ATLEAST as potent as IGF-1 not 500 X.
 
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