What to cycle with HGH?

I have ran a few cycles and know more than a newbie. I am planning an HGH cycle with possibly IGF-1 does anyone have any advice how to run? for how long? With what?

I was thinking maybe 6 iu's a day for 16 weeks but if I add igf-1 I can cut that in half. I'm not sure about hgh or igf-1. :dizzy:

if you cant answer these questions yourself you prolly shouldnt start the hgh untill you know exactly how to run it. i have never run hgh but ive been educating myself to get ready to add it in. to my knowledge it would be best if run for a miniumum of 6 months. do some more reserch and ask more questions so you know what your doing.
by the way, what are you stats, goals, and whatever. we need to know a little about you if we can help

Well I know the six month rule and four month and so on. Don't automatically assume I don't know what I'm doing. And I am doing research by asking experienced people...lol

Stats
5'7" 210 @ 12%bf
current cycle;

tren 100mgs eod week 1-10
winstrol 100mgs eod week 1-10
Test propionate 100mgs eod week 1-10
EQ 400mgs a week/ week 1-10
Arimidex .5mgs eod, with nolva 20mgs eod
PCT
HCG 2000iu's a week for about three weeks
w/ arimidex

my last cycle was a mass cycle including:
400mgs of test enanthate a week
400mgs of test cypionate a week
600mgs a week of deca
Nolva 30mgs ed
PCT
Clomid 100mgs ed for week 1 & 2 50mgs for week 3&4
Nolva ed for the entire cycle including pct

My training regime is solid. I have 8 years experience and I'm looking into becoming a trainer. I was doing the entire primary & secondary muscle groups with a leg day and etc. but currently I mixed it up and started on the DC program. Tough but good.

My diet has too many variables to list so I just say that it reflects to correspond with my goals. When I was on my mass cycle I easily consummed more than 3500 cals a day with protein intake of about 4-600gms a day.

Now I'm at about 2400cals a day with a protein intake of about 250+ a day with cardio on my off days. I also didn't mention above but I'm also taking about 100mcgs twice daily for two weeks on and two off.

personally I would go with the IGF-1 instead of the HGH, it's cheaper and more effective
throw a decent AS cycle with it and you should be pleased
besides HGH gets converted into IGF-1 once it mets. in the liver so just cut the chase and go with the IGF-1
my 2 cents
as you get more experienced I would think that to add the HGH would be a good idea because your body like with anything else will develop a tolerance to the IGF-1 chemical over a period of time

I appreciate your help and believe me you I had the same thought about using IGF-1 instead of hgh but I have heard that using IGF-1 & hgh, slin, & test is a killer combo nothing can beat. I have read on another board that a sufficient dose is around 4iu's a day, 5 days on 2 off for a minimum of six months.

I would use HGH with some Test + an anabolic such as EQ and of course some insulin. Make sure you do your research before doing any of this though. Insulin is not to be taken lightly.

good point Bigger-if there are any newbies here REREAD what the man just wrote

here's the thing. IGF, is more site enhancing that HGH. the one major thing that HGH is going to do for you is increase your recover. U will see on the DC training method (which is what you said you are training) that there is a 4 day routine in which you hit each muscle 2x/week. This is the way to go while on HGH.

NOW, while on HGH and IGF and Slin. You will want to go 4 weeks on IGF, Slin and AAS. Yes, I said and AAS. This is because AAS can actually increase your natty IGF levels as the 17aa type Androgens get broken down in the liver, it is IGF potentiating and will actually put off more natural IGF. So, even though you will run the HGH year round. (I'm assuming you can afford to do so) the Slin, IGF, and AAS will all want to be cycled every 4 weeks.

Now, with each 4 week AAS cycle, you will want to start out with D'bol, Anadrol, or Test prop. this is because of the shorter esters that will "Kick in" in the early stages of the cycle. but at the same time you want to take you longer esters because you will be stopping dosage around day 21 and with the long ester half lives, that will carry you into your 30 anabolic period.

Some day we will go over site enhancement, but first get a solid base.

I would like to reiterate the point that you don't have to use the whole kitchen sink to use IGF.
TomSize is very much a vet that has been around the corner as much as I have(that is a compliment) and I have used the very same combination last go around with good results BUT again I am an advanced user and I would not recommend this usage to newbies or even intermediate users. The solid base is a very good idea, but the original poster is defintely barely an intermediate (usage-wise) so the kitchen sink isn't necessarily the way he needs to go. Remember we don't build muscle in one day.

well. Great to hear people respect you on this board as well Tom but since we are on the topic of the entire "kitchen sink" I don't plan to use slin yet but I want a solid cycle. I'm thinking of 4 iu's a day of hgh, tren, testprop & enathate halfway through to frontload and follow with the longer esters towards the end. I love this tren! But, I wanted to know how the igf-1 could help

IMHO, I would save your money. HGH&IGF work hand in hand with Slin. Not taking Slin with these compounds is short siding yourself. again, this is just my opinion and you are welcome to try it out for yourself, I just think you are going to be let down by it.

HGH/IGF and Slin work hand in hand with each other.
-insulin (hypoglycemic) HGH(hyperglycemic)
-insulin (fat storing) HGH (fat Releasing)
-Slin promotes uptake of 1/2 Aminos needed for growth, HGH the other half
-Slin increases conversion of T4 to T3, HGH decreases liver conversion of T4 to T3

HGH use without slin although anabolic is not nearly as anabolic with Slin. Same goes for IGF.

if hes not ready to use slin he shouldnt. its too risky. do what you think is best for you. slin is great but its also really dangerous. if your not ready DONT use it

again, this is just my opinion, I'm not telling anyone to use anything, I am only trying to educate the man on the almighty "WHY?". Why is it that people take Slin with HGH/IGF? Why does this compound do this? why is it that this compound doesn't do what it promises?

We work out hard, we eat right, we take the right AAS, and yet we don't look like the pro's or get results like the pro's.... Why? becuase we don't know what the pro's know. Now i know not everyone wants to look like the pro's but if you don't want to look like that, then just don't go as far as they did, but at the same time realize that the body has it's own system of "checks and balances". Putting anything into your system is going to require putting something else in there to counter the effect, or your body will do it for you. Homeostasis is what we must maintain (after cycles) in order for us to retain our gains.

there is so much more to it than the simple 10-12 week test cycle and then some PCT. it just doesn't work, that's why there are so many people on this board taking AAS and not getting the results they want.

educate yourself on the "Why" first and then ask yourself, "is this what I want?". and if the answer is yes, then by all means do it right.

without proper knowlege of why things do what they do, you will not know how to come off the right way. I haven't heard it mentioned one time that coming off a cycle will result in elevated levels of protien depleting agents such as Cortisol, but over and over again, i have heard everyone mention Estrogen as the bad guy. Estrogen is essential for growth just like everything else. Plus there are over 15 forms of estrogen to worry about. I am only stressing to look harder and find out why you don't want to take Slin instead of taking the advice of a bunch of sheep saying it's dangerous. most the people preaching how dangerous Slin is haven't even tried it. It is an essential part of the homeostasis of the human anatomy. Now, know how to take it and there is nothing to worry about.

If you don't want to do it right, then don't do it at all. that's my take on it.

Ok, Tom Thanx for the answer and I'll look into it.

I've had my HGH kits ready, However I want to start it right.
I plan on running Tren/Prop with it first
Then adding Var latter.
I too heard the dangers of slin..It kept me away for a while. Now I want to run it with HGH in some very moerate amount with 6-8iu e/d of HGH.

I just found out that there are many TYPES of slin. What type slin should I use ?????
Also, Be my guest to rip this cycle apart, but make sure you suggest a better one.
I'm tired of just AAS and have the HGH resources to move forward once I think I have a good handle on it. I really want to do the slin with it..
BTW_ I did run a kit at 4iu e/d to get the feel for it and I liked the moderate improvements but I do feel Tom is right about the slin...Gut feeling.
Any Help Appreciated

im using hgh with an off season plan than consist of
hgh/slin/sus/eq/prov/ferma