IGF injections with too much BA

I recently got some IGF-1 (long acting stuff). Of course it is generic, so it came with no instructions and no liquid to add to the vials. I went with the standard of 1 ml of BA, but there was still undisolved stuff. I ended up going to 5 ml of BA and it pretty much disolved (though there is still a gelatin like sediment). After reading about this on a couple of boards, I was afraid it was crap, so I took it thinking it wouldn't work.

Day 1: 30 mcg, Day 2: 60 mcg, Day 3: 60 mcg. On day three, I was SOO tired I kept having to get starbucks to keep going, and my tendonitis in my right elbow got bery painful. And I was more hungry than normal. So, apparently it was the real deal.

I went back to 40 mcg and it appears to be working without killing my elbows. But here are my questions.

First, will I be able to slowly increase the dose if I want? I have read that some folks need higher doses to respond.

Second, all that BA is making the injections suck. I did sub-q for the first three days and my belly was SORE and had small knots in it where I injected. Putting on a weight lifting belt hurts. So I went to a IM shot in my bis. I put 10 ius of the BA/IGF mix and 20 ius of bact. water in each bi, and they hurt and had knots.

My slip pins only go up to 30 ius. Should I get larger pins to dilute the stuff further? How much do I need to rotate body parts? I can't hit bis every day, and I already inject 10 ml of oil a week. Should I dilute the IFG mix with water and then use a normal pin since the measurements are easier, or will that make it go bad faster.

I wish you asked this before injecting... don't go SubQ with it because it not only burns but those lumps can stay there for MONTHS before subsiding, I had a few in my lower abs that easily took 4 or 5 months before they went down and I felt them everytime I did abs.

What concentration is it now that it's mixed? If you're adding water only into your pin before you shoot you will keep it from going bad. Are you keeping it in the fridge?

as for your questions I'm sorry I can't help, I get my IGF from here at MC and it's already mixed I just add a little BW to each pin before site injecting with great results.

I used 30mcg a day for my first couple of weeks and then went up to 50. My second cycle I was able to start out at 40 with no sides and I went up to 60 a day with no problems except appetite increase but I was on EQ at the same time so I was always hungry anyway!

The concerntration is 2 mcg per IU. I do all the mixing in the pin right now and from what you said it sounds like the way to go.

I am not keeping it in the fridge. I don't use it at home. I thought it would last a couple weeks at 60 mcg, but since I can't take it at that dose, I should I get one of those minifridges to store it (??)

I am gonna shoot again and then go lift. Ouch.

I just bought a mini fridge myself to keep under my desk in my office... you don't HAVE to keep it in the fridge but I think it's safer and probably keeps it more potent.

i just got one of those 35 dollar car fridges from academy keeps it pretty cold i think 40 or 35 degrees colder then the temp outside of it. i could only run 40mcg's as i went hypo easy on it dont know why just my body was sensitive to it. yes definitly stay IM injections though. I got the premixed stuff so it was a breaze so i cant really help with all that.

I know that the injections in the muscles are supposed to create localized growth, but I noticed that my bi's were bigger yesterday. So is the localized growth really localized growth, or is it the fact that you get lumps in the muscles where you inject it?

Gotta admit that it was an impressive "gain" in my bi's. But the pec injection didn't hurt at all the next day, while the bi's hurt as bad as any injection that I have given myself.

normally the site injects are real permanent gains but since you've been having so many problems I would guess that some of yours are localized swelling

Yeah, I knew mine was a combination of swelling and some damn lump. But if the lumps last for several months, how do we know that it creates localized growth? If I get a bigger and bigger lump each time I inject in my bi's, and I do this for a month, won't it LOOK like localized growth when it is really just swelling and lumps?

Not that I am gonna worry about this. The bi shots are getting better.

the lumps you normally would get are when you shoot SubQ, if you're shooting IM then you are seeing either localized growth or swelling of the whole muscle. You will also get better pumps which is what you may be experiencing as well.

this is why aa is better....less painfull

Doc

Just wondering how you are rotating injection sites? Looks like you are focusing on bis...which is what I have in mind. Just how often are you hitting your bis and as Dr Phil says, how's it working for you? With gh s/q ab shots I sometimes got a small black and blue spot at the inj site. Have you seen anything like that?

Rogan,

I had been doing two injections of 20 mcg each day using a slin pin. I used a normal 25 g pin and went to one shot per day of 40-50mcg (hard to measure exactly). I did this b/c the slin pins only went to 30 iu and I wanted to dilute it more.

I did bis, pecs, and delts. I have some build up in fluid in my right thigh from oil-based shots and I am not hitting that now. I am using the thighs and glutes for oil.

My bis - which I have hit twice this week with 20 mcg each time (or basically one shot of 40 mcg) look like they have been hit with a baseball bat. My left arm even has a bruise on the forearm.

The pec shots had very little pain - but it is weird shooting into your chest. No bruise at all. The delt looks fine and doesn't hurt much at all, but the bi's took a few days to look blue and red.

I will try a tricept shot to see how that goes. Dunno how I will end up rotating since a lot of it depends on the reactions that I get. I would prefer to do the bis and tris (since my tendonitis keeps me from working my arms as well as I would like). But I don't know if I can deal with those bruises.

I should also add that the swelling was enough that I had probelms brushing myh teeth last night. On Saturday, I work out my arms, so I hope it is better then. But it doesn't really hurt now (or no more than after a good workout).

If I use AA instead of BA, does that keep the stuff from going bad?

Aa /ba

Doc - sorry...I don't have an answer on that...maybe some of the other vets here do. I will be using the igf from MC and hopefully with some BW to dilute it I will have pos. results without looking like I've been clocked with your "baseball bat". Keep posting your results -- I'm sure there are plenty of guys here who are inteested in knowing how it works for you. rogan

Well, the swelling has gotten worse, and the bruises now cover my bis, my delts and my forearms and look pretty damn bad. All this from 50 mcg in each delt, and 50 in each bi. The arms ache all of the time and I can't excercise at all. But there is no sharp pain or anything so I look a whole lot worse than I am.\

Dunno what the deal is. The injection in my pec left only a FAINT bruise on one pec (each got about 25 mcg). \

My doc is running some bloodwork to see if it is a clotting disorder. I am not sure if it is the extra BA in the injection - but I get that much ba in normal gear. It could be something wrong with this chinese generic IGF - it doesn't copletely mix.

Depending on the blood tests (and the size of my balls) I may try mixing a new batch with less BA, filtering it, and giving it another try, once my arms have shrunk back down so I can use them. \

Oddly, the sub-q shots didn't bruise at all. They just left nasty knots.

bro, I would stop using it and wait for the results from your tests to come back. Sounds like something is up with your product and it may have something in it that your body is reacting to. There's no way that IGF-1 should make you bruise like that on each inject. I've run it at least 4 times now and I've never had any bruising at all and I've shot, delts, pecs, quads, glutes and even subQ abs shots. I don't think you're shooting wrong or there's anything wrong with your pins so it's got to be the product itself. I hope you get this figured out soon bro and next time order your IGF from MC and you won't need to worry about any of this. Good luck bro.

Doc

Doc fwiw I think Mike is right on here...nothing explains your extreme reaction here except for the obvious concusion that there is something bad in your gear. Even an allergic reaction problem is not likley given you have no neg reaction on some sites and extreme reactions on others. Good luck -- let us know how the blood tests go. Rogan

Mkie and Rogan,
You are both dead-on right. The only reason I kept shooting the first time is that it took a few days to kick in. The first day, it looked swollen and sore. Second got more sore, and the third looked like hell. I must admit I did pre-load a pin to use on Monday, but since my arms hurt so bad I couldn't sleep, I thought that was a bad idea.

The blood tests were to see if I was having some clotting probelms (e.g. blood clots) and the doc was going to call me right away, so that has probably come back normal, though I will check. My arms are bruised from the shoulders to the forearms, but I had a good leg workout today and actually feel better. Lifting all the 45's for the squat was actually a good way to loosen up my arms a bit. They are still swollen, and I can't see doing anything with them for a week or so.\
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I've used HGH, Slin and a whole lot of different types of AAS and have never had this reaction before. I use BA in my own gear, so that isn't it either. \

Thanks for the thoughts bros

glad to help bro and glad to hear you're still alive bro. lol.

seriously though I hope at this point you've got it figured out or at least have stopped shooting yourself with that "IGF"

Mikeswift,

Thanks for the thoughts and suggestions bro.

My arms are actually starting to be useful again. Don't know that I will do any arm lifts this week, but at least I can sleep and act like a normal person. Basically, it feels like my tendonitus has kicked in (which happens for me on HGH.)

I may mix a vial with AA and inject a bit in my leg and wait a few days to see how it goes. I have heard that this chinese stuff should be mixed with AA. My homebrew usually has 2-3% BA, and this had 30% in the bi shots and about 12% in the deltoid shots (bi's were very swollen and bruised while the delts just had bruises and some soreness). So maybe that is it. BA usually does make the shorts more painful, but I have never had shit like that happen before.

I should have kept watch on this thread a little closer. I've had the same kind of reaction before when using IGF. It is due to the BA spreading out in the muscle in conjunction with having blood thinned out. Are you on any bp meds or other things to control bp or cholesterol? If you are, this causes some instability in the capillaries in the skin, especially if you have thin skin. Then when you shoot IGF, the BA causes some bruising, but it spreads out since you've injected a water-based substance. I got it while I was using policosanol. After I stopped using the policosanol, the brusing stopped. I'll see if I can find a pic I took to show what happened.