Ketotifen

*N.V.S*

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What Is It?


[font=&quot] Ketotifen is very safe antihistamine used extensively in [font=&quot]Europe[/font][font=&quot] to treat bronchial asthma and allergies. It is also being studied as a treatment for colitis. When used for asthma, weight gain and an increase in appetite are among the most frequent side effects. Ketotifen also protects the cells in the stomach, small intestine and perhaps the rest of the gut from a number of toxins. A number of case studies suggest that it may be helpful treating skin problems such as acne. Ketotifen also reduces edema (swelling and puffiness caused by water retention) around sores.

Ketotifen Studies


German researchers have published data showing that ketotifen lowers tnf-alpha in the test tube. One study used ketotifen in combination with oxymethadone, a steroid like Megace that helps people gain weight, so it is hard to gauge what effect ketotifen had (the study notes a 14% reduction in TNF-alpha levels and weight gains of 11-12 pounds in less than four weeks). A larger placebo controlled study of this combination is underway. The other study used ketotifen by itself in eight patients with elevated TNF-alpha, (but no wasting). Taking ketotifen for 12 weeks, these patients gained an average of six pounds, had increases in their body cell mass and reductions in their TNF-alpha levels.

Side Effects and Toxicity


Ketotifen is virtually non-toxic (although it is not advised for patients with epilepsy). People who took twenty times the recommended dose (in suicide attempts) suffered no serious consequences (other than embarrassment). Its primary side effects seem to be temporary drowsiness, dry mouth,(and other mucuos membranes) appetite stimulation and weight gain.

Dosing and side effects


No studies have been done to find the most effective dose but the German researchers used 4 mg ED. Dan Duchaine (who discovered ketos use for BB) suggested 10mg ED but in my experience this much is not needed and makes u far too sleepy. I find that 3-4mg ED seems ideal. However, much higher doses have been shown to be quite safe with no adverse affects other than increased drowsiness and appetite – it will make u hungry for solid foods. You can take it divided in the day or all at once.

Ketotifen and Clen

Clenbuterol is a beta 2 agonist which has a limited anabolic effect during its first few days of use and afterward is normally used to fight fat. At higher doses, however, it can be catabolic to muscle and it must be cycled on a 2 week on, 2 week of basis or the beta 2 receptors that clen binds to become saturated and down regulate.

Ketotifen’s magic is that it upregulates the beta-receptors including the beta 2s that clen uses. As long as you are taking ketotifen, it will continue to clean these receptors, never allowing them to downregulate – even while on a heavy clen cycle. That means you can continue to take clen indefinitely without having to cycle off to regenerate the receptors. 2-3mg ED can upregulate even severely shut down receptors within a week.

It also means that you don’t need as much clen to get the same benefits. It seems u can take about 30-40% less clen and it be equally effective. FONZ posted that it also increases the number of receptor sites on the surface of the cell, allowing more clen to attach and perhaps this is the reason for the increased efficacy. Ketotifen also seems to lessen the sides of clen including the jitters.

Ketotifen and
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Perhaps an even better use for ketotifen is taking it with the [/font][font=&quot]ECA[/font][/font][font=&quot] stack. While the thermogenic effect of ephedrine is not as potent as clen because it doesn't have a high receptor affinity, and it is not limited to beta-2 receptors. In fact it seems to have a good effect on beta 3 receptors as well, which act as a type of thermogenic messenger and over half of ephedrine effect is from beta-3 stimulation. Clen has almost no effect on beta 3 however. So by keeping the beta 2 receptors up, ketotifen can allow the benefits of continuous beta 2 and beta 3 stimulation from ephedrine.


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This would be a great supplment that women could try when running clen to keep the progress going while cutting.
 
few years back the wife used keto/clen combo and it was pretty fantastic on the results side... concidering clen can also act as a slight anabolic like compound it worked well, especially from a woman's point of view (not me, my wife.. LOL )
 
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Hey Stckler, did she try Benadryl? If so , how did it compare??


nvs
 
not sure, but i think you said something about that before... i'll ask. If you do a quick search under sasha on the board as well she used to MOD here (how we met).. she might have put some previous info in there... in regards to benadryl - both being an antihistamine it might be worth a test, especially since benedryl is easily acquired over the counter, pretty and pretty cheap. I'm curious if clen will counteract the drowsiness that is typically associated with the normal recommended dose that benedryl suggests... (that stuff puts me out personally - even when i used to psudoephedrine during colds/allergies ... used to use generic brands of both to save cash when sick but it still put me out..

anyway, i'll ask and drop an update when i know... good read though.
 
*N.V.S* said:
Ketotifen and Clen

Clenbuterol is a beta 2 agonist which has a limited anabolic effect during its first few days of use and afterward is normally used to fight fat. At higher doses, however, it can be catabolic to muscle and it must be cycled on a 2 week on, 2 week of basis or the beta 2 receptors that clen binds to become saturated and down regulate.

Ketotifen’s magic is that it upregulates the beta-receptors including the beta 2s that clen uses. As long as you are taking ketotifen, it will continue to clean these receptors, never allowing them to downregulate – even while on a heavy clen cycle. That means you can continue to take clen indefinitely without having to cycle off to regenerate the receptors. 2-3mg ED can upregulate even severely shut down receptors within a week.

It also means that you don’t need as much clen to get the same benefits. It seems u can take about 30-40% less clen and it be equally effective. FONZ posted that it also increases the number of receptor sites on the surface of the cell, allowing more clen to attach and perhaps this is the reason for the increased efficacy. Ketotifen also seems to lessen the sides of clen including the jitters.

Ketotifen and
[/font][font=&quot]ECA[/font][font=&quot]

Perhaps an even better use for ketotifen is taking it with the [/font][font=&quot]ECA[/font][/font][font=&quot] stack. While the thermogenic effect of ephedrine is not as potent as clen because it doesn't have a high receptor affinity, and it is not limited to beta-2 receptors. In fact it seems to have a good effect on beta 3 receptors as well, which act as a type of thermogenic messenger and over half of ephedrine effect is from beta-3 stimulation. Clen has almost no effect on beta 3 however. So by keeping the beta 2 receptors up, ketotifen can allow the benefits of continuous beta 2 and beta 3 stimulation from ephedrine.


I couldn't imagine taking Clen AND ECA at the same time... i would be cracked out of mind and probably all hypertensive.. LOL .. anyone ever do both?
 
Stickler* said:
I couldn't imagine taking Clen AND ECA at the same time... i would be cracked out of mind and probably all hypertensive.. LOL .. anyone ever do both?

Yes i have as a matter of fact. Clen puts me to sleep. It affects some people in the exact opposite way it is so popular for. I can take it very late in the evening and sleep sound as a baby. It also keeps me groggy all day so i need a stim to pick me up. I would not recommend this though. Could be dangerous considering clen builds up in the system. As for the benadryl, also never worked for me...reason i was wondering if your wife had better luck than i did.

nvs
 
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