Ron Paul Money Bomb!!!

mango

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for those who haven't heard, it was a grassroots effort unaffiliated with the official campaign trying to stir support for a massive online donation today, November 5th, Guy Fawkes day... Guy Fawkes attempted to destory the Houses of Parliment but was stopped, interesting day to pick to donate to the Paul campaign as Paul wants to destroy, or more apporpriately said: DISMANTLE, much of the bureacracy in our current Government and restore our personal freedoms.

watch the progress at http://ronpaulgraphs.com/nov_5_extended_total.html

currently the campaign has collected over $2 million in donations, today alone. looks like a pretty steady donation rate of about $200,000 per hour!!!

last quarter the entire sum of donations was just over $5 million... talk about a surge in support and fundraising!!!

want to know more, check out Dr Ron Paul's website for further information regarding his stance on the issues and our personal freedoms!

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/
 
coming up on $3mil raised today!!!! (if i'm looking at the charts right, the avg donation looks about $110) at that rate, thats over 27,000 people donating an average of $110 each! wow!


last quarter they raised just over $5 million. this quarter the Ron Paul campaign is just short of $6 million and theres still over 8 wks left to go!!!
 
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$4.2 million from ~ 35,000 donors... not bad!!

there's another one planned for Veterans Day, it'll be interesting to see how that one goes will all the support he's gathered due to his position on th war. it would be interesting to see how many donations he gets from troops overseas.
 
Thats great, he seems like a good candidate. I'll definitly pay more attention as we get closer to the election.

Too bad people don't donate that kind of money to help stop hunger and poverty, or rebuild schools and make sure every child has a book. I'm not bashing Ron Paul or his campaign, its a great thing. I just don't understand why people aren't as generous when it comes to other issues...
 
vertigorocks said:
Too bad people don't donate that kind of money to help stop hunger and poverty, or rebuild schools and make sure every child has a book. I'm not bashing Ron Paul or his campaign, its a great thing. I just don't understand why people aren't as generous when it comes to other issues...

I absolutely agree it's just throwing money away when it comes down to it...
 
Honestly if a man or woman wants to run for president, he shouldn't need millions of dollars. Most of that money is spent on TV commercials. Crazy to me. Just go around and talk to people about what you say (but probably wont) do. Once in a while you get an honest politician, but its rare. I don't see why we need to flip the bill for it. I'd rather donate my money to a local charity, food shelter or school district.
 
the sad fact of it is that due to the current way the system works, the average Joe doesn't stand a chance (and it's by design). Our current system only gives us the impression of choice when it's actually a choice between two shades of the same bullshit. Whether the turd is dipped in chocolate or dipped in honey it's still a turd and unfortuanately Joe Goodguy doesn't stand a chance against the turds unless he can either fork over millions himself to compete with the turds or he has to raise that money through campaining.

This is what is so refreshing about Ron Paul... he's Joe Goodguy and he's competing with the turds at their own game and there's actaully a chance he could win. With the amount of steam his campaign is building, its not done just with money but with enthusiastic supporters all over the country getting the message out. (I'm sure you noticed his lack of exposure in the Mainstream Media.)
 
what makes you think his campaign will do any differently than those that came before him and failed with similiar attempts like Ross Perot or Ralph Nader?
 
The only thing a canidate like that does is take away a small percentage of votes from his party. Ross Perot is a fine example of that. He would have made a very good president but he intern split the republican voters down the middle and Clinton won... No offence but in my opinion Paul is not a very serious and responsible candidate. My biggest issue is he wants out of the war now and doesnt care if anything gets resolved. You might not agree on the war but you have to agree we cant just leave when it gets hard , the terrorists will just keep coming and coming knowing we will quit in a couple months or years after each time they hit.
 
mikeswift said:
what makes you think his campaign will do any differently than those that came before him and failed with similiar attempts like Ross Perot or Ralph Nader?


he's not 3rd party. he's appealing to a very broad and diverse base who are tired of the "business as usual" and he's getting some serious fundraising support.
 
Local124bro said:
No offence but in my opinion Paul is not a very serious and responsible candidate. My biggest issue is he wants out of the war now and doesnt care if anything gets resolved. You might not agree on the war but you have to agree we cant just leave when it gets hard , the terrorists will just keep coming and coming knowing we will quit in a couple months or years after each time they hit.

The war on terror, is like the war on drugs. We just keep feeding the monster. We create more terrorists by staying in the war. The war in Iraq has built upAl Qaeda not made it smaller.
 
mango said:
he's not 3rd party. he's appealing to a very broad and diverse base who are tired of the "business as usual" and he's getting some serious fundraising support.
I didn't call him 3rd party but what does "getting some serious fundraising support" have to do with wether or not he's a good candidate or if he has an ice cubes chance in hell of winning? I have nothing against the guy but what bothers me is all of the money that is essentially wasted by campaigning efforts.
 
justintempler said:
The war on terror, is like the war on drugs. We just keep feeding the monster. We create more terrorists by staying in the war. The war in Iraq has built upAl Qaeda not made it smaller.

The terrorist had declared war on us long before most of us were born. Bin Ladin first attacked us during the Clinton years. They will not stop , if we stop that means they will just keep building up and planning more attacks. Kill or be killed. We didnt become the strongest nation by being a bunch of little bitches and giving up when it gets tough. What we are going through right now in no way even compares to what we went through in WW II.
 
mikeswift said:
I didn't call him 3rd party but what does "getting some serious fundraising support" have to do with wether or not he's a good candidate or if he has an ice cubes chance in hell of winning? I have nothing against the guy but what bothers me is all of the money that is essentially wasted by campaigning efforts.
how is the money wasted if it gets his message out? even if he doesn't take the WH, his message is one that could seed future changes... the more people that hear the messgae the better
 
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Tuesday, June 05, 2007

Ron Paul and the Reason Why




I have liked congressman and presidential candidate Ron Paul for a number of years now. On several salient issues, I concur with his intelligent and thoughtful insights. After hearing about the recent brouhaha regarding him, I was at first puzzled by Paul's remarks concerning 9/11, until I took his advice and spent some time "listening" to Osama Bin Laden by reading the latter's purported 9/11 "confession."

First of all, let's review Ron Paul's comments at the second Republican presidential debate. When asked about about whether or not the terrorist attacks on the U.S. had "altered his view" of the aggressive American foreign policy, Paul responded:
"Have you ever read the reasons they attacked us? They attacked us because we've been over there. We've been bombing Iraq for 10 years. We've been in the Middle East -- I think Reagan was right. We don't understand the irrationality of Middle Eastern politics. Right now, we're building an embassy in Iraq that is bigger than the Vatican. We're building 14 permanent bases. What would we say here if China was doing this in our country or in the Gulf of Mexico? We would be objecting. We need to look at what we do from the perspective of what would happen if somebody else did it to us."​
Paul was then quizzed by Fox News's Wendell Goler, who asked, "Are you suggesting we invited the 9/11 attack, sir?"


Paul answered:



"I'm suggesting that we listen to the people who attacked us and the reason they did it. And they are delighted that we're over there because Osama bin Laden has said, 'I am glad you're over on our sand because we can target you so much easier.' They have already now, since that time, killed 3,400 of our men, and I don't think it was necessary."​

Without getting into the various 9/11 conspiracy theories, some of which are meant to absolve foreign involvement and blame the "American government," let us look at the purported speech of Bin Laden's that was released on October 29, 2004, in which he clearly accepts responsibility for 9/11 - and states that the attacks will continue, essentially because the "enemy" has not learned his lesson.

Since I am very concerned about continued attacks on American soil as well as the aftermath of such decimation - to wit, America being "bled" into bankruptcy and subsequently overtaken - I do believe we need to heed Ron Paul's advice and pay close attention to what Bin Laden is saying, if there's any chance that by doing so we can avoid such attacks. In other words, we ignore Bin Laden's words at our own peril, as he is clearly spelling out his intentions.

If this 2004 speech is authentic and is accurately translated, it is evident that Bin Laden is not an uneducated hick but, rather, an intelligent person who is very much aware of numerous aspects of politics. His observations regarding the Bush dynasty seem to be uncannily accurate - few people outside of the extreme Right would not recognize the self-interests of the Washingtonian powermongers in the policy towards Iraq. Bin Laden is probably correct in surmising that Bush is after complete control of Iraqi oil - after all, Bush is an oil man.

From the perspective of a savvy person in Iraq, it would certainly seem that the aggression against that nation had much to do with financial gain, rather than the outward humanitarian appearance of being concerned for the Iraqi people - or the fallacious excuse of looking for "weapons of mass destruction." Knowing this fact, one could easily make the case that the American government, et al., had absolutely no altruistic reasons for making a move on Iraq - and this fact could understandably cause some people to become upset if not irate. Factor in other policies around the world, and we can understand precisely what Ron Paul is saying.

I do not believe Ron Paul is at all claiming that "we invited the attack." First of all, who's "we?" It's too bad Paul used that language in describing U.S. foreign policy, because "we" certainly didn't have anything to do with it. The U.S. government did, but I for one did not vote for those characters, and I do not include myself in the "we" bit of their policies. In any event, Paul is not saying "we invited it." He's saying, as far as I can tell, "If you want to know why these people did what they did, take a close look at what they're saying is the reason they did what they did."

In other words, they're saying "we invited it." There's a subtle but important difference. If one reads the speech by Osama Bin Laden - again, assuming it's authentic and accurately translated - he clearly spells out the reasons why the Twin Towers were attacked: Because of previous aggressions in predominantly Arab and/or Muslim countries that have killed thousands of men, women and especially children. That's what Bin Laden said was the motive for the attacks, not "because they hate our freedoms." Here are some pertinent excerpts from the Bin Laden speech of 2004:
I say to you, Allah knows that it had never occurred to us to strike the towers. But after it became unbearable and we witnessed the oppression and tyranny of the American/Israeli coalition against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind.

The events that affected my soul in a direct way started in 1982 when America permitted the Israelis to invade Lebanon and the American Sixth Fleet helped them in that. This bombardment began and many were killed and injured and others were terrorised and displaced.

I couldn't forget those moving scenes, blood and severed limbs, women and children sprawled everywhere. Houses destroyed along with their occupants and high rises demolished over their residents, rockets raining down on our home without mercy.

The situation was like a crocodile meeting a helpless child, powerless except for his screams. Does the crocodile understand a conversation that doesn't include a weapon? And the whole world saw and heard but it didn't respond.

In those difficult moments many hard-to-describe ideas bubbled in my soul, but in the end they produced an intense feeling of rejection of tyranny, and gave birth to a strong resolve to punish the oppressors.

And as I looked at those demolished towers in Lebanon, it entered my mind that we should punish the oppressor in kind and that we should destroy towers in America in order that they taste some of what we tasted and so that they be deterred from killing our women and children.

And that day, it was confirmed to me that oppression and the intentional killing of innocent women and children is a deliberate American policy. Destruction is freedom and democracy, while resistance is terrorism and intolerance.

This means the oppressing and embargoing to death of millions as Bush Sr did in Iraq in the greatest mass slaughter of children mankind has ever known, and it means the throwing of millions of pounds of bombs and explosives at millions of children—also in Iraq—as Bush Jr did, in order to remove an old agent and replace him with a new puppet to assist in the pilfering of Iraq's oil and other outrages.

So with these images and their like as their background, the events of September 11th came as a reply to those great wrongs, should a man be blamed for defending his sanctuary?​
Accordingly, in his mind Bin Laden's continuous aggressions against Western agencies over the past several years have been in retaliation for the destruction of Arab and/or Muslim peoples and interests by the selfsame Western agencies. The reason for the 9/11 attacks given by Bin Laden is that the assaults which left so many people dead were "unbearable oppressions." When he describes the situation in this manner, with graphic images of the mass killing of children, we can understand the impetus for the assault on American interests. While I do not know the facts he bases his allegations on concerning "Bush Sr." being responsible for "millions" of deaths or the "greatest mass slaughter of children mankind has ever known" - by not only warfare but also starvation, perhaps? - if such allegations are true, the angry reaction would be understandable. Certainly, the previous aggressions in Iraq left some pretty hideous developments, including the results of depleted uranium that almost no one is discussing.

Now, back to Ron Paul and his advice: Point well taken, Congressman Paul, and once again you've proved yourself a highly intelligent man entirely worthy of consideration to lead the American nation. In listening to what the "enemy" is saying about his reasons for aggression, we can learn how to avoid further attacks and to prevent his stated intention from becoming reality. What is this stated intention? To quote Bin Laden:
"So we are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy. Allah willing, and nothing is too great for Allah."​
Perhaps we can prevent this frightening decimation not by kowtowing or capitulating to counter-aggressions but by applying a more sane and less destructive policy towards other nations. Regardless of whether or not the move into Iraq can be ethically supported, the fact is that it has been handled very badly all around. If the American nation is so sophisticated, surely there is a better and more intelligent way to conduct itself than pounding the crap out of poor people half way around the world.

Maybe Ron Paul has the answer to this sad quandary - at this juncture in history, with such an atrocious mess on our hands, I for one am more than willing to listen to his seemingly sane voice of reason. And to gladly vote for Paul if we are lucky enough to have him make it that far.



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