IGF Question

I will be starting IGF research in a couple of weeks and wanted to get a couple opinions on research methods. I am a pretty simple person so I would like to keep things as simple and easy as possible. Also, applications at the gym is not possible for me.

This will be my second go with IGF, first I did the post workout deal Mon, Tues, Thurs, and Fri, 50 mcgs each time. My thought this time was to go to more of a traditional hgh pattern of am and pm doses, 20 mcgs each, for a total of 40 mcgs per day, Mon-Fri. I have read about the half life of IGF being about 16hrs, and seen where others are using this scheme to achieve more stable blood levels. I am not really worried about site enhancement, so the possible loss of specific area growth due to no post workout dose is not a big deal, however, some of the anecdotal evidence of unwanted growth, whether gut or internal organs is somewhat of a concern (or should it be at that dosage?).

My other thought would be to use a variation of the blast cycle method of hgh, where the total dose for the week is divided by 3 and used on Mon, Wed, and Fri. For this, immediate post workout is still not an option.

I know that gh and igf are different peptides, but with the inability of immediate post workout dosing I am looking for some alternatives.

I would like to see some immediate recomp gains, but am patient so I was thinking a 5 weeks on, 5 off, 5 on, overall, for a total of 2 mgs may be good. I had nice results first time, but only had about 3/4ths of a vial I received from a friend, so still very new and wanting to get some opinions before I start on what I consider my first true peptide run. Thanks for any help.

If you cant do directly post workout just do the best you can. I couldn't either.
I started with 40mcg each workout day (when I could) 20 x 2 and either in body
part worked or weak bodypart (shoulders). I took a break and went with 30mcg x 2
for a total of 60per day. I liked that better. A lot of guys have more experience and
will contrubute but it is interesting for us to hear results from different applications.
Wait for more info and let us know what you do and how it works.

I'm running 40 per muscle straight after the workout. I know that is not an option for you, but I will keep you updated on my progress.

Thank you for the replies. I do see many going 40-60 mcgs per day, and some even higher in the 80mcs range. I am interested in the total mcgs per week that people are using. There is still so much mystery in the use of these peptides and it is hard, and possibly incorrect to try to equte their use with other things. For instance, I believe that short 3-5 week cycles commonly seen in the pro hormone world lead to low gain keeping, I just don't think the body can solidify and get use to carrying the extra weight, whereas the longer 10+ week cycles more commonly seen using non otc's, especially when ran at more moderate levels, leads to more maintainable gains, as the increase per week on average is lower and the body can ease into carrying the extra weight. With IGF there is the theory of quick receptor saturation that leads many to use the shorter 3-5 week periods. I have heard a few vets, Dave Palumbo and some others, go on a longer, lower dosed regiment and get good results. One was using 30 mcgs/day. But there is also a point where a small dose probably does very little, or at least non-noticeable gains, such as 100 mgs of test week. I have read here Presser uses longer cycles. It would be interesting to hear his dosing scheme. I have toyed around with using a lower starting dose and then increasing up based on results.

I've done many different cycles of IGF and a few longer cycles myself, 8 weeks for the last one and the way I got around the receptor saturation problem was to increase my dosage as the weeks went on and to take a day or two off. I followed the advice of a friend and tried 40mcg for 4 weeks then took 3 days off and went to 60mcg for 2 weeks and then took a week off and then went to 80mcg for 2 weeks. This seemed to work much better for me than other methods I've tried including using 30 - 40mcg for 5 weeks. I felt like this gave my body a chance to recover a little in between and the new doses would essentially give me the same results as if I was starting a new cycle without the delay.

Thanks for the replies. I like the thought of using at a certain amount until effectiveness is lost, then increasing after a short break till that effectiveness is lost, then another short break and increase the dosage. This makes sense to me to aid in the possible receptor saturation, plus it has been seen that the longer an anabolic cycle continues at times gains can slow and increasing the dose can help to begin gaining again. I like the ramp up approach at times, espeically when experimenting. I think I will use this. What would be a good starting dose, 30 or 40mcgs, and when increasing, would an increase by 5 or 10 mcgs be better? I will be using Mon-Fri, am and pm doses, so a 5 mcg per dose increase would equate to a 25mcg total weekly increase, and a 10 mcg increase would equqte to 50 mcg increase per week. Kind of on the topic, why is it that very rarely do we hear people speak of wkly dosage amount of igf? With all the varying schemes, when one person says 50 mcgs post workout, they could mean 3-6 times per week depending on the individual, and one would think there would be a pretty big difference in effects from a total wkly mcg total of 150 to 300. Just wondering.

now these are just theories on why it works but it works so I will hypothesize on how...

the reason that you're going to increase it is because once your receptors are a bit satuarated by say 40mcg... a few days off and then jumping to say 60mc is going to be giving you 20 on top of what your body was adjusting to, so if taking a few days off decreases your saturation by 10mcg and now you're taking an additional 20 your body will respond to it as if you were on 30mcg which is a good dose. I wouldn't worry about going too high at these doses, I've gone up to 120 a day for several days with no adverse effects...

mikeswift said:

now these are just theories on why it works but it works so I will hypothesize on how...

the reason that you're going to increase it is because once your receptors are a bit satuarated by say 40mcg... a few days off and then jumping to say 60mc is going to be giving you 20 on top of what your body was adjusting to, so if taking a few days off decreases your saturation by 10mcg and now you're taking an additional 20 your body will respond to it as if you were on 30mcg which is a good dose. I wouldn't worry about going too high at these doses, I've gone up to 120 a day for several days with no adverse effects...

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What do you think of 40 3x/week? By keeping it at 40 and only three days a week PWO, some believe you can avoid saturation. What is your opinion on this? My rats will go at least 8 weeks this way.

I think 3 x a week would work well but personally I would do 60 - 80 if I was only using it 3 days a week. I think you'd still see results but they would be far less than if you were using everyday or using more. Think about what your weekly dosage would be ideally and then instead of dividing it by 7 divide it by 3

See i didnt find that it had any over saturation effect on my muscle groups , I applied it for 10 / 11 weeks straight and multiple times a day for at least 5 days a week, sometimes 6 days, and every week i felt like i had just started, muscles looked more and more leaner and vacular ever week........Also want to add that i am not saying it is gd /not gd to apply it the way i did or for how long i did, im just joining in on the chat, and telling my great experiences..

Based on all the replies and a little thought here is what I plan on tyring.

Week1: 35mcg total Mon-Fri dvided between am and pm doses
Week2: 40mcg total Mon-Fri dvided between am and pm doses
Week3: 55mcg total Mon, Wed, Fri dvided between am and pm doses Tues and Thurs 20mcg am divided am and pm dosing
then take a one week break
Weeks 4 and 5: 70 mcg Mon, Wed, Fri divided between am and pm dosing

This will use basically one mg of IGF. I will be in somewhat of a pct setting and I heard that more frequent dosing does work better for pct. But we also have heard of receptor saturation and alot of 3 day per week, and eod dosing schedules to combat this, this is the reason for the odd dosing pattern in week3 and the off week after that followed by the 2 weeks of 3x's per week applications. Though the schedules themselves differ, throughout the total per week are relatively close (week1 total is 175 and week5 is 210). I very much go by the theory of using as much as needed to get an effect, otherwise why bother to spend the money, but only enough to get that effect. I will probably not be the one to experiment with high doses, although if 200 mcg per week total is not enough for me I will increase to 250 mcg weekly total next time. Which leads to my next question. I do have 2 mgs coming (hopefully soon, I am kind of like a kid waiting for Christmas), my intention is to take 4 weeks off and then repeat, and I am going to assume this schedule and amounts will work. My question is twofold, is 4 weeks off enough to "clean" the receptors, and will the same mcg total be enough after only 4 weeks, or should an increase to 250mcg be used? Like I said, I would prefer to dose moderately, but I would rather only use for 4 weeks and see results than use for 5 and see less. Thanks for the replies, they have been very helpful. Also feel free to let me know if my research plan looks stupid.

I've done am only doses and still had excellent results so you should do very well with the schedule you outlined.

thanks for the replies and advice, I am pretty excited about giving this a go. Hopefully should start next week if the Holiday mail doesn't cause a problem. Will be in pct setting for a ph cycle I am finishing, gained some nice size and strength, so I am looking forward to seeing the famous gains retention and leaning out effect. I pushed the cals a bit, I am actually sick of feeling bloated and full all the time. I am going to be looking to drop a little water weight, which I am sure will happen naturally, and for some fat loss, but maintaining muscle. I will be using the mirror as a guide, but more so will be judging by drop in strength. My thought is the more muscle retained, the less drop in strength with a decrease in overall weight. Some strength loss I am sure will be unavoidable, but hopefully this should help quite a bit. I am even more interested to see 20-25 weeks down the line how I will gain on the next ph cycle.

you will experience both fat loss and muscle gain with IGF so I think you will be very happy with the mirror a few weeks into using it, at our age I found that it works even better for us because your body will start to look and feel younger within the first week. good luck and keep us posted

Will do, hopefully will begin next week, just waiting for the supplies to arrive. If not received by Mon will probably wait to begin till the following Monday, no big deal though. I do have a question. With a .5 ml applicator, having 50 ticks or marks on it, and the mc igf concentration, would each mark on the applicator be equal to 5 mcg? Thanks.

started the igf, had a question about nutrition with this, specifically carbs, post application. I notice about 30-60 minutes after applying I get a little weak, and feeling kind of hot or flushed. What type of nutrition should I be taking in to make this not happen, as due to my schedule I will be at work, or possibly driving home and it kind of caused a little scare for me. I took in 50 grams of carbs via whole wheat bread, but had it split between 25 grams right after, and 25 grams when I started feeling a little odd. Any help would be appreciated. I assume this could be from the IGF pulling carbs out of my blood stream into my cells. By the way, I am doing split doses of 25-30 mcg two times a day, Mon- Wed- Fri.

I used to find that when i first applied igf, i would feel a little weird, and then i would drink some OJ and then i felt better( due to sugar intake i'd asumme ).... But i was feeling like that cause i dropped my carbs by a ton,, once i carb'ed up again that weirdness went away and i still dropped BF.. Sometimes alittle candy bar or a high sugar protein bar should do the trick as well.....

I've never had it happen but it sounds like you may be sensitive to hypoglycemia which would mean you probably just need to make sure you have a snack after you apply.

thanks for the replies, I had thought about drinking some oj post application, 1-2 servings followed by some whole wheat bread, or oatmeal. Just wondering what would be the best timing, the oj immediately after application, then 30-45 minutes later oatmeal? I am not worried about carbs as I do want to take advantage of the IGF nutrient shuttling, just want to make sure I am in no danger. Other than that, all is going well so far. Great pump today and appetite is up.