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tiny
03-19-2002, 08:08 PM
any rec.drugs that would help in either obtaining mass or cuttin fat ..? are there at all any usefull drugs for the average bodybuilder, or is it just that.. rec.drugs.. ???

tiny

bigjosh
03-19-2002, 08:14 PM
I dunno if these are useful bodybuilding  drugs but ghb may be of some benefit.  It induces deep sleep and raises hgh levels.  I have also read that it increases cortisol levels though.  I don't think it's that useful in bodybuilding.  Cocaine and Amphetamines like crystal meth, aderol, ritalin, dexadrine, etc. could theoretically be used to raise metabolism and curb appettite and provide energy for aggressive workouts, but I think they would be more catabolic than it is worth.  Hmmm,,,what else? maybe marijuana could be used to increase appettite to aid in bulking during a cycle,,,lol.  I personally however do not think that rec drugs mix well with bodybuilding.

ragintiger
03-19-2002, 08:32 PM
I know a few people who do crack or powder on their off cycle months...I wouldnt suggest it bc a couple have landed themselves in rehab.

tiny
03-19-2002, 08:43 PM
so why did they use it ..? just to get high or to help them keep theire gains or what ..?

tiny

ragintiger
03-19-2002, 08:51 PM
To be honest I was one of those dudes..the reason i did it was to lose weight rapidly.  At that time I really wasnt serious about getting fit, but I did workout all the time. Add to the fact i used to hate sleep and love partying didnt help matters out either.  I know I could easily lose 15 pds over a 2 week period doing powder the way I did.  As for the others( and they were serious bbers) they mostly did crack and I would assume they did it for the same reasons....to get high....be an animal in the weightroom...lose weight..feel good...party.

ragintiger
03-19-2002, 08:53 PM
???  one more thing about the whole coke scene...Id never do it again. Theres nothing worse to me than coming down off that shit..so its really not worth it imo.

mr456
03-19-2002, 08:59 PM
Crack..LMAO who the fuck came up with that name :D  I work with a bunch of crack/pot heads...and NONE of them have ANY motivation or self-worth..so don't even ponder using Tiny!!!!!!

tiny
03-19-2002, 09:18 PM
humm.. well, i was thinking.. say you did small amounts of speed.. (i'm talking small amounts).. to loose weight with a low carb diet.. or maybe mariuhana to be able to eat more on a bulk cycle.. GHB to sleep better, thus getting better recovery... you see where i'm getting ...?

tiny

ragintiger
03-19-2002, 09:30 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--tiny+Mar. 20 2002,01:18--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tiny @ Mar. 20 2002,01:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->humm.. well, i was thinking.. say you did small amounts of speed.. (i&#39;m talking small amounts).. to loose weight with a low carb diet.. or maybe mariuhana to be able to eat more on a bulk cycle.. GHB to sleep better, thus getting better recovery... you see where i&#39;m getting ...?

tiny[/quote]
<!--emo&+=--><img src="http://musclechemistry.mantisforums.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sarcasm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='+='><!--endemo--> &nbsp;Man..any kind of speed can be so addictive..not only mentally but physically. It was for me bc I knew I could lose that weight so quick that I didnt need to watch my diet. It all starts with small amounts tiny..then it sinks those hooks in you and its over with. Weed makes you stupid and lazy as hell...and ive never done GH so I dont know about that. I just hope you think this over before doing any of it.
RT

sully
03-19-2002, 10:19 PM
...tiny...dont start because it is very hard to stop for some...you could be the kind of person who it would be hard to quit...and dont even think that you can do small amounts of coke,meth,etc...lol...well at least everyone i did it with couldnt do a little...stay away from all that stuff bro... ???

tiny
03-19-2002, 10:30 PM
<!--emo&+=--><img src="http://musclechemistry.mantisforums.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sarcasm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='+='><!--endemo--> ... OMG &#33;&#33; .. you&#39;re not answering my question.. sheesh .. i feel like som addict..lol.. come on .. answer my friggin Q.. check out big J&#39;s post.. thats what i want ..

&quot;are there at all any usefull drugs for the average bodybuilder, or is it just that.. rec.drugs..&quot;

tiny

Pumpdog
03-19-2002, 10:31 PM
I use GHB to help me get deep sleep ... I think it helps ... Indirectly at least ...

Things I don&#39;t use, but make sense if one were to use them:

- Weed: Obvioulsy will increase appetite. Actually, they have isolated the chemical that induces the &quot;munchies&quot; and market it as a drug for AIDS patients to prevent wasting ... It is called Marinol. THAT has bodybuilding uses written all over it.

- Remeron: Given for depression, but will make you hungry and sleepy. Good for bulking.

As for cutting ...

- Anything amphetamine based will obviously shut down appetite and speed metabolism. Phentermine, Ritalin, &quot;powder&quot;, etc.

highly addictive, but useful if you can control it I suppose.

sully
03-19-2002, 10:35 PM
...lol..sorry bro...i just think that is what they are &quot;recreational&quot; then...but i guess some are useful to an extent but they do more harm then good... :(

gearedup
03-19-2002, 10:46 PM
Bulking:
GHB for sleep
Weed for appetite
Xanax, valium for sleep

Cutting:
Ritalin
coc
Exctasy

login_name
03-19-2002, 11:22 PM
you can lose alot of weight on coke...and your girl and house and car and friends and if your allergic...then maybe you can break out in handcuffs too. stay away from that shit tiny...

tiny
03-20-2002, 07:50 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--sully+Mar. 20 2002,06:35--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sully @ Mar. 20 2002,06:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->...lol..sorry bro...i just think that is what they are &quot;recreational&quot; then...but i guess some are useful to an extent but they do more harm then good... :([/quote]
no worries .. lol .. i&#39;m thinking, what if rec.drugs can be used in a proportion that benefits bodybuilding in some way or another...

you think that theres no way rec.drugs can help in any way, in absolutely no aspect of bodybuilding..?

i&#39;m not thinking rec.drugs in the party sense.. but more of a used in a sensible way to achieve a specific goal sense, as in cutting or bulking...
say i&#39;m cutting and every morning i down a proteinshake and 1/6 of gram of speed and then proceed to do cardio... will i loose fat and keep my muscle, or is the muscle loss to great so the sides outweighs the benefits.. ???

tiny

jstrong20
03-20-2002, 08:45 AM
Well why even bother with addictive drugs like coke and x for cutting. &nbsp;DNP is by far the most potent fat burner and you would have to be truly nuts do get addicted to sweating all day long.lol

tiny
03-20-2002, 11:23 AM
basically cause dnp sucks ass.. lol ..

tiny

login_name
03-20-2002, 11:48 AM
proper diet and cardio tiny...you can&#39;t cut every corner my friend. :)

tiny
03-20-2002, 12:16 PM
exactely what i wanted .. a lecture .. <!--emo&+=--><img src="http://musclechemistry.mantisforums.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sarcasm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='+='><!--endemo--> ..i would think this was of intrest to not only me but the board aswell.. i use steroids to enhance my body.. if i can get a rec.drug to help with whatever i&#39;m doing without to much sides i would ofcourse do it.. wouldn&#39;t you..?

tiny

mbstrong
03-20-2002, 12:51 PM
Well Tiny you could become very cut if you have your own gym at your house or friends. &nbsp;Do a rail then do a few sets then do another rail. &nbsp;You will become very cut and strong,lol. &nbsp;Know a few friends that take speeders and go to the gym and have a great work out and at the same time it is killing there appetite, good for cutting.

login_name
03-20-2002, 12:51 PM
no i wouldn&#39;t do coke to lose weight&#33; im not lecturing either. i lost alot of good friends to that shit so im telling you what i think. shit if you want i can tell you where to get an oz. of peruvian flake for &#036;700 you can take 1/2 of it for your self lose all the weight you want, step on the other 1/2 once, flip it and make double your mony back too. don&#39;t expect to stop there though... i can also give you the # of a great attorney when you need that too. im just giving you my opinion man like everyone else did here...

tiny
03-20-2002, 01:18 PM
i&#39;m talking about USING SMALL AMOUNTS TO GET THE RESULTS YOU WANT.. I AM NOT SAYING I WILL DO A GRAM OF SPEED OR SMOKE AN LB OF MARIUHANA.. I AM TRYING TO FIND OUT IF IT IS POSSIBLE... P O S S I B L E TO USE RECREATIONAL DRUGS FOR C U T T I N G AND/OR B U L K I N G ... I AM NOT SAYING THAT I WANT TO USE IT TO GET HIGH.. I SAY AGAIN... I AM ASKING IF THESE DRUGS ARE USEFULL.... U S E F U L L .. TO A BODYBUILDER WHO IS TRYING TO EITHER SHED FUCKING WEIGHT OR FUCKING BULK UP.. :) &nbsp;

tiny

mbstrong
03-20-2002, 01:20 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--login_name+Mar. 20 2002,4:51--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (login_name @ Mar. 20 2002,4:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->no i wouldn&#39;t do coke to lose weight&#33; im not lecturing either. i lost alot of good friends to that shit so im telling you what i think. shit if you want i can tell you where to get an oz. of peruvian flake for &#036;700 you can take 1/2 of it for your self lose all the weight you want, step on the other 1/2 once, flip it and make double your mony back too. don&#39;t expect to stop there though... i can also give you the # of a great attorney when you need that too. im just giving you my opinion man like everyone else did here...[/quote]
That is really cheap bro &lt;.

mbstrong
03-20-2002, 01:22 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--tiny+Mar. 20 2002,5:18--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tiny @ Mar. 20 2002,5:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->i&#39;m talking about USING SMALL AMOUNTS TO GET THE RESULTS YOU WANT.. I AM NOT SAYING I WILL DO A GRAM OF SPEED OR SMOKE AN LB OF MARIUHANA.. I AM TRYING TO FIND OUT IF IT IS POSSIBLE... P O S S I B L E TO USE RECREATIONAL DRUGS FOR C U T T I N G AND/OR B U L K I N G ... I AM NOT SAYING THAT I WANT TO USE IT TO GET HIGH.. I SAY AGAIN... I AM ASKING IF THESE DRUGS ARE USEFULL.... U S E F U L L .. TO A BODYBUILDER WHO IS TRYING TO EITHER SHED FUCKING WEIGHT OR FUCKING BULK UP.. :)

tiny[/quote]
Dick head what is wrong with the post I made. &nbsp;Read it and it is the answer you are looking for,lol.

tiny
03-20-2002, 01:46 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--mbstrong+Mar. 20 2002,9:22--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (mbstrong @ Mar. 20 2002,9:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--tiny+Mar. 20 2002,5:18--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tiny @ Mar. 20 2002,5:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->i&#39;m talking about USING SMALL AMOUNTS TO GET THE RESULTS YOU WANT.. I AM NOT SAYING I WILL DO A GRAM OF SPEED OR SMOKE AN LB OF MARIUHANA.. I AM TRYING TO FIND OUT IF IT IS POSSIBLE... P O S S I B L E TO USE RECREATIONAL DRUGS FOR C U T T I N G AND/OR B U L K I N G ... I AM NOT SAYING THAT I WANT TO USE IT TO GET HIGH.. I SAY AGAIN... I AM ASKING IF THESE DRUGS ARE USEFULL.... U S E F U L L .. TO A BODYBUILDER WHO IS TRYING TO EITHER SHED FUCKING WEIGHT OR FUCKING BULK UP.. :)

tiny[/quote]
Dick head what is wrong with the post I made. Read it and it is the answer you are looking for,lol.[/quote]
hummm... yeah ok .. i get agitated when i feel people don&#39;t understand what i&#39;m acctually trying to say..

tiny

mbstrong
03-20-2002, 01:58 PM
my reply was not good enough bro :(

tiny
03-20-2002, 01:59 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--mbstrong+Mar. 20 2002,9:58--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (mbstrong @ Mar. 20 2002,9:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->my reply was not good enough bro :([/quote]
<!--emo&+=--><img src="http://musclechemistry.mantisforums.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sarcasm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='+='><!--endemo--> ...let&#39;s just say it wasn&#39;t exactely what i wanted.. &nbsp;<!--emo&?/--><img src="http://musclechemistry.mantisforums.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='?/'><!--endemo-->

tiny

tiny
03-20-2002, 02:06 PM
hummm ... ok .. let&#39;s go again ... slight change..


let&#39;s say i&#39;m on fina and test..75mg fina ed and 100mg prop ed.. highly androgenic.. i think we could all agree that these are powerfull steorids..
now.. if i were to cut, i would lower my cals.. do some cardio .. etc..etc.. high protein, low carb...

now, instead of adding ephedra or T3 we introduce SMALL amounts of amphetamin.. like 1/6th or 1/10th of a gram(not sure what the average dosage is).. or more..or less.. whatever.. use the amphetamine early in the morning in addition to cardio on a empty stommack with just a proteinshake in it.. eca the rest of the day..

you think this would work, or would it burn off to much muscle..?

tiny

mbstrong
03-20-2002, 02:07 PM
Those are how rec drugs can be used to cut up. &nbsp;To bulk up you can smoke a few J&#39;s a night. &nbsp;I know it makes me hungry as shit. &nbsp;One or two puffs and I&#39;m set to eat a whole table full of food. :D

CJ Buff
03-20-2002, 02:17 PM
Ephedra for the wired feeling at the gym or before a meal to curb appetite...
GHB for a sloppy drunk feeling and GREAT sleep&#33;

And I try to stay as far away as weed as I fuckin can, because I eat a whole pizza, a tub of icecream, a package of cookies, a bowl of cereal, and anything and everything I can get my hands on&#33; &nbsp;I fuckin hate WEED&#33;

CJ <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://musclechemistry.mantisforums.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo-->

login_name
03-20-2002, 03:31 PM
i think its a tremendous idea tiny... :)

mr456
03-20-2002, 08:48 PM
Just take the T-3 bro...Fina/Prop is an awesome combo. EQ thrown in there is just supposed to be the shit too...lol&#33;

tiny
03-20-2002, 09:13 PM
yeah i know .. but i was thinking rec.drugs could be used as well ..humm, guess not .. FUCK YOU ALL .. haha.. BIATCHES .. :D

tiny

RAMPAGE
03-20-2002, 09:16 PM
nooooooooooo waaayyyyy BRO&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;damn A MOD ASKING THIS QUESTION? MAKES YOU THINK ABOUT THE ADVICE......BRO JUST WORK OUT.. EVERYTHING TAKES TIME SEEMS LIKE EVERYBODY&#39;S IN A RUSH AROUND HERE&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;EVEN WITH THE GEAR...TRAIN -DIET AND GIVE IT TIME YOU GUYS ACT LIKE THE WORLD IS OVER IN 10 WEEKS ..... <!--emo&?/--><img src="http://musclechemistry.mantisforums.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='?/'><!--endemo--> &nbsp;<!--emo&?/--><img src="http://musclechemistry.mantisforums.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='?/'><!--endemo-->

tiny
03-20-2002, 09:22 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--RAMPAGE+Mar. 21 2002,05:16--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RAMPAGE @ Mar. 21 2002,05:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->nooooooooooo waaayyyyy BRO&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;damn A MOD ASKING THIS QUESTION? MAKES YOU THINK ABOUT THE ADVICE......BRO JUST WORK OUT.. EVERYTHING TAKES TIME SEEMS LIKE EVERYBODY&#39;S IN A RUSH AROUND HERE&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;EVEN WITH THE GEAR...TRAIN -DIET AND GIVE IT TIME YOU GUYS ACT LIKE THE WORLD IS OVER IN 10 WEEKS ..... <!--emo&?/--><img src="http://musclechemistry.mantisforums.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='?/'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&?/--><img src="http://musclechemistry.mantisforums.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='?/'><!--endemo-->[/quote]
YOU TYPED IN UPPERCASE FIRST ..

YOU USE ANABOLIC STEROIDS RIGHT..? RIGHT.. YOU USE ECA RIGHT..? RIGHT.. YOU USE WHATEVER THE hell YOU CAN USE TO BETTER YOU&#39;RE BODY RIGHT..? RIGHT...

PEOPLE ARE USING DNP FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.. NOW, WHAT IF REC.DRUGS ACCTUALLY COULD HELP IN SOME WAY.. AID IN BULKING OR CUTTING ... IF YOU GOT BIG BY USING A PERTICULAR REC.DRUG.. WOULDN&#39;T YOU THEN USE IT..? I WOULD THINK SO AND IF NOT, WHY..? BECAUSE IT IS LISTED AS A REC.DRUG AND NOT A ANABOLIC STEROID..? .. YOU&#39;RE ALREADY USING GEAR TO BETTER YOU&#39;RE BODY AND GET AN EDGE.. WHY NOT SOME SORT OF REC.DRUG..? IT&#39;S ALL ABOUT PRO&#39;S AND CON&#39;S RIGHT..? RIGHT..

TELL ME I&#39;M WRONG.. I DOUBLE DARE YA.. I FUCKING DOUBLE, DOUBLE DARE YA ...

TINY

YOU TYPED IN UPPERCASE FIRST NOW DIDN&#39;T YOU.. ;)

tiny
03-20-2002, 09:24 PM
ONE MORE THING.. ME BEEING A MOD MEANS DIDDLY DOO.. I&#39;M JUST ONLINE ALOT, AND I DON&#39;T CONSIDER MYSELF A VET OR GURU OR ANYTHING .. I&#39;M JUST LOVABLE SO PRESSER COULDN&#39;T RESIST ME .. COULD YOU SWEETIE.. http://musclechemistry.mantisforums.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif

TINY

PhatSack
03-20-2002, 09:53 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--tiny+Mar. 21 2002,01:22--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tiny @ Mar. 21 2002,01:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--RAMPAGE+Mar. 21 2002,05:16--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RAMPAGE @ Mar. 21 2002,05:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->nooooooooooo waaayyyyy BRO&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;damn A MOD ASKING THIS QUESTION? MAKES YOU THINK ABOUT THE ADVICE......BRO JUST WORK OUT.. EVERYTHING TAKES TIME SEEMS LIKE EVERYBODY&#39;S IN A RUSH AROUND HERE&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;EVEN WITH THE GEAR...TRAIN -DIET AND GIVE IT TIME YOU GUYS ACT LIKE THE WORLD IS OVER IN 10 WEEKS ..... <!--emo&?/--><img src="http://musclechemistry.mantisforums.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='?/'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&?/--><img src="http://musclechemistry.mantisforums.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='?/'><!--endemo-->[/quote]
YOU TYPED IN UPPERCASE FIRST ..

YOU USE ANABOLIC STEROIDS RIGHT..? RIGHT.. YOU USE ECA RIGHT..? RIGHT.. YOU USE WHATEVER THE hell YOU CAN USE TO BETTER YOU&#39;RE BODY RIGHT..? RIGHT...

PEOPLE ARE USING DNP FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.. NOW, WHAT IF REC.DRUGS ACCTUALLY COULD HELP IN SOME WAY.. AID IN BULKING OR CUTTING ... IF YOU GOT BIG BY USING A PERTICULAR REC.DRUG.. WOULDN&#39;T YOU THEN USE IT..? I WOULD THINK SO AND IF NOT, WHY..? BECAUSE IT IS LISTED AS A REC.DRUG AND NOT A ANABOLIC STEROID..? .. YOU&#39;RE ALREADY USING GEAR TO BETTER YOU&#39;RE BODY AND GET AN EDGE.. WHY NOT SOME SORT OF REC.DRUG..? IT&#39;S ALL ABOUT PRO&#39;S AND CON&#39;S RIGHT..? RIGHT..

TELL ME I&#39;M WRONG.. I DOUBLE DARE YA.. I FUCKING DOUBLE, DOUBLE DARE YA ...

TINY

YOU TYPED IN UPPERCASE FIRST NOW DIDN&#39;T YOU.. ;)[/quote]
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jstrong20
03-20-2002, 10:46 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--tiny+Mar. 20 2002,3:23--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tiny @ Mar. 20 2002,3:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->basically cause dnp sucks ass.. lol ..

tiny[/quote]
:(

RAMPAGE
03-22-2002, 09:43 AM
YOUR ABSOLUTELY RIGHT &#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; tiny....LOL ..WHENEVER I SEE SOMEONE ON GEAR THEY LOOK GREAT MOST OF THE TIME BUT WHENEVER I SEE A CRACKHEAD THEN ......GO HEAD TRY IT KEEP US POSTED tiny...

johnnyboy845
03-22-2002, 10:07 PM
Hey Tiny just be carefull.. I used coke for weight loss.. figured it cost about &#036;100 to lose a lb. &nbsp;LOL.. &nbsp;Then one night someone cooked it up and said try a little.. I said what the hell.. and my recreational use took me right out of the gym and into a detox and 2 rehabs.. &nbsp;I thought I could controll it.. we all do... but it does work.. I prefer ECA now &nbsp;:) and have been sober almost 6 years..dont even drink and am totally focused and disciplined .. &nbsp;and smoking weed made me hungry.. but I lost all motivation to train... but my partner couldnt train if he wasnt hi.. go figure

tiny
03-23-2002, 10:36 AM
well .. i doubt i&#39;ll try it ..lol... but a fun discussion it was .. :)

tiny

tiny
03-23-2002, 10:41 AM
btw.. i also asked the very same question on the fitnessboard.. in the rec.drugs forum... i&#39;m curious to see what the pro rec.drug guys say ..

tiny

Bigg Johnny
03-23-2002, 12:38 PM
i have read a few articles in which state that marijuana can be used as a natural thermogenic.. although it does stimulate appetite it also speeds your metabolic rate... one article was saying that if you smoke out then eat alot of food its pretty much just burning it all ... i was thinking if you smoked then didnt eat then it could be used to lose weight.

ancalagon
03-23-2002, 04:50 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Pumpdog+Mar. 20 2002,04:31--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Pumpdog @ Mar. 20 2002,04:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->- Weed: Obvioulsy will increase appetite. Actually, they have isolated the chemical that induces the &quot;munchies&quot; and market it as a drug for AIDS patients to prevent wasting ... It is called Marinol. THAT has bodybuilding uses written all over it.[/quote]
Marinol is essentially synthetic THC. Weed has about a dozen other cannabinoids in it... While THC is the most psychoactive agent, there are other as well. That&#39;s what constitutes to the differences of the &quot;high&quot; between different brands of weed. It&#39;s not just the raw amount of THC...

For a BBer, Marinol is a poor substitute. If you only look at the difference in administration (Marinol is administered orally), Marinol loses because it takes a long time to kick in. Marinol takes anything between half an hour to a few hours to start kicking and affects up to 5-10 hours. Weed (smoked) kicks in fully in a matter of minutes. Now since THC loses it&#39;s effect in the body quite quickly, smoking it makes controlling the dosage easier. You will need a lot more Marinol than you would need weed. Also if you want to get the Marinol to kick in fast, you will need an empty stomach. That&#39;s bad for a BBer... If you want to get hungry, do you want to get hungry right now or maybe in 1-5 hours or maybe not at all?

Because Marinol is only THC, it has far more psychoactive sides than weed. Some might like it, but... Seriously, Marinol is just plain worse for increasing a patients appetite in a safe and controlled manner. The only thing why Marinol was even created is that Marijuana is a rec drug and admitting that it has any medical use would be bad for the system.

ancalagon
03-23-2002, 04:58 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--tiny+Mar. 20 2002,8:06--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tiny @ Mar. 20 2002,8:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->now, instead of adding ephedra or T3 we introduce SMALL amounts of amphetamin.. like 1/6th or 1/10th of a gram(not sure what the average dosage is).. or more..or less.. whatever.. use the amphetamine early in the morning in addition to cardio on a empty stommack with just a proteinshake in it.. eca the rest of the day..[/quote]
Amphetamine is not good for BBing IMO. First of all, there is nothing worse than meth hangover. You want to do more, and will do more if you got more. Also it is a very strong appetite suppressant. You can simply forget to eat for days. Some people even find it impossible to eat... Even after having not eatet for two days, trying to eat half a hot dog can cause you to puke it up right away.

Shit, dude, try it once and you will know. It won&#39;t kill you. Just get enough for that one time, and no more. It starts like partying at night... Then just once you do a little in the morning to get to work. Then you do it every morning and maybe once in a while after lunch to fight the sleepiness.

A friend of mine, who has done all the drugs you know about and a few more, had to flush all his meth down the toilet the other day because it was interfering with his normal life too much.

properly pumped
03-24-2002, 12:59 PM
Stick w/ AAS. Fuck the recreational drugs. Bad news <!--emo&**--><img src="http://musclechemistry.mantisforums.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='**'><!--endemo-->

scott666
03-27-2002, 02:24 AM
Cocaine destroys muscle tissue (including heart) on contact. &nbsp;Any stimulant combined w/AS can raise your BP dangerously high. &nbsp;Alcohol, benzos (valium, xanax, etc.) and most opiates lower natural test production. &nbsp;Weed raises estrogen levels, but may help with appetite. &nbsp;I just say no to recs. &nbsp;Respect your body, bro&#33; :)

BIGBADWOLF
03-27-2002, 06:52 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Cocaine destroys muscle tissue (including heart) on contact. &nbsp;Any stimulant combined w/AS can raise your BP dangerously high. &nbsp;Alcohol, benzos (valium, xanax, etc.) and most opiates lower natural test production. &nbsp;Weed raises estrogen levels, but may help with appetite. &nbsp;I just say no to recs. &nbsp;Respect your body, bro&#33; &nbsp;
properly pumped Posted on Mar. 24 2002,11:59
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Stick w/ AAS. Fuck the recreational drugs. Bad news &nbsp;
ancalagon Posted on Mar. 23 2002,3:58
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Quote (tiny @ Mar. 20 2002,8:06)
now, instead of adding ephedra or T3 we introduce SMALL amounts of amphetamin.. like 1/6th or 1/10th of a gram(not sure what the average dosage is).. or more..or less.. whatever.. use the amphetamine early in the morning in addition to cardio on a empty stommack with just a proteinshake in it.. eca the rest of the day..

Amphetamine is not good for BBing IMO. First of all, there is nothing worse than meth hangover. You want to do more, and will do more if you got more. Also it is a very strong appetite suppressant. You can simply forget to eat for days. Some people even find it impossible to eat... Even after having not eatet for two days, trying to eat half a hot dog can cause you to puke it up right away.

Shit, dude, try it once and you will know. It won&#39;t kill you. Just get enough for that one time, and no more. It starts like partying at night... Then just once you do a little in the morning to get to work. Then you do it every morning and maybe once in a while after lunch to fight the sleepiness.

A friend of mine, who has done all the drugs you know about and a few more, had to flush all his meth down the toilet the other day because it was interfering with his normal life too much.
ancalagon Posted on Mar. 23 2002,3:50
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Quote (Pumpdog @ Mar. 20 2002,04:31)
- Weed: Obvioulsy will increase appetite. Actually, they have isolated the chemical that induces the &quot;munchies&quot; and market it as a drug for AIDS patients to prevent wasting ... It is called Marinol. THAT has bodybuilding uses written all over it.

Marinol is essentially synthetic THC. Weed has about a dozen other cannabinoids in it... While THC is the most psychoactive agent, there are other as well. That&#39;s what constitutes to the differences of the &quot;high&quot; between different brands of weed. It&#39;s not just the raw amount of THC...

For a BBer, Marinol is a poor substitute. If you only look at the difference in administration (Marinol is administered orally), Marinol loses because it takes a long time to kick in. Marinol takes anything between half an hour to a few hours to start kicking and affects up to 5-10 hours. Weed (smoked) kicks in fully in a matter of minutes. Now since THC loses it&#39;s effect in the body quite quickly, smoking it makes controlling the dosage easier. You will need a lot more Marinol than you would need weed. Also if you want to get the Marinol to kick in fast, you will need an empty stomach. That&#39;s bad for a BBer... If you want to get hungry, do you want to get hungry right now or maybe in 1-5 hours or maybe not at all?

Because Marinol is only THC, it has far more psychoactive sides than weed. Some might like it, but... Seriously, Marinol is just plain worse for increasing a patients appetite in a safe and controlled manner. The only thing why Marinol was even created is that Marijuana is a rec drug and admitting that it has any medical use would be bad for the system.
Bigg Johnny Posted on Mar. 23 2002,11:38
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i have read a few articles in which state that marijuana can be used as a natural thermogenic.. although it does stimulate appetite it also speeds your metabolic rate... one article was saying that if you smoke out then eat alot of food its pretty much just burning it all ... i was thinking if you smoked then didnt eat then it could be used to lose weight.
tiny Posted on Mar. 23 2002,09:41
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btw.. i also asked the very same question on the fitnessboard.. in the rec.drugs forum... i&#39;m curious to see what the pro rec.drug guys say ..

tiny
tiny Posted on Mar. 23 2002,09:36
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well .. i doubt i&#39;ll try it ..lol... but a fun discussion it was .. &nbsp;

tiny
johnnyboy845 Posted on Mar. 22 2002,9:07
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Hey Tiny just be carefull.. I used coke for weight loss.. figured it cost about &#036;100 to lose a lb. &nbsp;LOL.. &nbsp;Then one night someone cooked it up and said try a little.. I said what the hell.. and my recreational use took me right out of the gym and into a detox and 2 rehabs.. &nbsp;I thought I could controll it.. we all do... but it does work.. I prefer ECA now &nbsp; and have been sober almost 6 years..dont even drink and am totally focused and disciplined .. &nbsp;and smoking weed made me hungry.. but I lost all motivation to train... but my partner couldnt train if he wasnt hi.. go figure
RAMPAGE Posted on Mar. 22 2002,08:43
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YOUR ABSOLUTELY RIGHT &#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; tiny....LOL ..WHENEVER I SEE SOMEONE ON GEAR THEY LOOK GREAT MOST OF THE TIME BUT WHENEVER I SEE A CRACKHEAD THEN ......GO HEAD TRY IT KEEP US POSTED tiny...
jstrong20 Posted on Mar. 20 2002,9:46
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Quote (tiny @ Mar. 20 2002,3:23)
basically cause dnp sucks ass.. lol ..

tiny


PhatSack Posted on Mar. 20 2002,8:53
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Quote (RAMPAGE @ Mar. 21 2002,05:16)
nooooooooooo waaayyyyy BRO&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;damn A MOD ASKING THIS QUESTION? MAKES YOU THINK ABOUT THE ADVICE......BRO JUST WORK OUT.. EVERYTHING TAKES TIME SEEMS LIKE EVERYBODY&#39;S IN A RUSH AROUND HERE&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;EVEN WITH THE GEAR...TRAIN -DIET AND GIVE IT TIME YOU GUYS ACT LIKE THE WORLD IS OVER IN 10 WEEKS ..... &nbsp; &nbsp;

YOU TYPED IN UPPERCASE FIRST ..

YOU USE ANABOLIC STEROIDS RIGHT..? RIGHT.. YOU USE ECA RIGHT..? RIGHT.. YOU USE WHATEVER THE hell YOU CAN USE TO BETTER YOU&#39;RE BODY RIGHT..? RIGHT...

PEOPLE ARE USING DNP FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.. NOW, WHAT IF REC.DRUGS ACCTUALLY COULD HELP IN SOME WAY.. AID IN BULKING OR CUTTING ... IF YOU GOT BIG BY USING A PERTICULAR REC.DRUG.. WOULDN&#39;T YOU THEN USE IT..? I WOULD THINK SO AND IF NOT, WHY..? BECAUSE IT IS LISTED AS A REC.DRUG AND NOT A ANABOLIC STEROID..? .. YOU&#39;RE ALREADY USING GEAR TO BETTER YOU&#39;RE BODY AND GET AN EDGE.. WHY NOT SOME SORT OF REC.DRUG..? IT&#39;S ALL ABOUT PRO&#39;S AND CON&#39;S RIGHT..? RIGHT..

TELL ME I&#39;M WRONG.. I DOUBLE DARE YA.. I FUCKING DOUBLE, DOUBLE DARE YA ...



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bodmin
03-29-2002, 10:38 AM
Tiny...you give bodybuilding a bad name. What&#39;s this shit with drugs, man? <!--emo&/?--><img src="http://musclechemistry.mantisforums.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sneaky2.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='/?'><!--endemo-->

tiny
03-29-2002, 10:41 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--bodmin+Mar. 29 2002,6:38--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bodmin @ Mar. 29 2002,6:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Tiny...you give bodybuilding a bad name. What&#39;s this shit with drugs, man? <!--emo&/?--><img src="http://musclechemistry.mantisforums.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sneaky2.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='/?'><!--endemo-->[/quote]
and why do you say that..? please elabourate...