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tiny
03-31-2002, 09:07 PM
but i would like some overall opinions and suggestions first.. really not sure if this is the way to go .. but .. hey.. what the hell.. :)

my diet is the traditional low/no carb high protein one ... so .. well.. not much to say i think ...

tiny

AlmostPro
04-03-2002, 11:21 AM
IMO, a lot (going into the initial decision) should be candid, self-evaluation as to your primary motivation. I personally don't know your stats/level of development, history, or base of applicable knowledge, but the decision should not be out of desperation/frustration or the hope that insulin will work where other compounds have failed or fallen short. Now, it could be that none of that applies to you, but insulin CAN be extremely dangerous, so I feel that disclaimer is necessary before I, myself, would ever contribute to anyone's potential use of it. Having said all that, my experience with slin has been (thus far) very rewarding. I have had no "frights" or negative symptoms at all - but I am a large super-heavy, very organized, very experienced, methodical, even. Slin keeps me rather full looking - just really full, plump muscle bellies everywhere - pretty much 24-7. Of course, dietary intake in coordination with insulin use is critical. It is extremely relevant you fully understand onset, peak, and duration times surrounding which specific product you use. Beyond just the bare basics of timing carb intake to stay alive and conscious, you need to consider/understand insulin's effect on protein synthesis/uptake - the primary bodybuilding advantage to slin. And again with the timing, you can't get away with what perhaps you normally could while sln is active - eat fat (or excess carbs) and you will put on fat. Once you feel comfortable with your understanding and have decided to go with it, start off slowly - feel it out a bit. Degree of sensitivity can vary between individuals. And, it is certainly not unheard of to experience an allergic reaction to a particular product. I personally find slin very useful in a variety of circumstances - and, yes, even for bridging. Not that I'm recommending endless employ of the compound - it's not unbelievable that heavy, prolonged use could (through down regulation of the receptor) make one much more prone to type II diabetes. When not using slin, I practice recovery therapy just to be thorough. Far too often I see intermediate (and even lesser developed) "bodybuilders" using ridiculous schedules and substances - I began 13 years ago as a 5' 10", 147 pound nothing, this year I can hit the stage at nearly 260 pounds. I see too many guys using far more gear than I, for too little return. It takes time, and the best initial foundations aren't even built with drugs. Good luck to you.

captaindianabol4kids
04-03-2002, 11:30 AM
spot on! slinis awesum tho bro!!

Stickler
04-04-2002, 08:19 AM
tiny...  bro! ...  look at your habbits and make sure you are ready for that kind of commitment.  I only say that because I realize that I personally could never do slin because I know I'm not disciplined enough to do it.  Make sure you are and have all precautions as to not go into a coma or overall death.

if you add it, please watch yourself.. i'd hate to see another good bro among us ...  "move on." ...  seriously.

Machine
04-04-2002, 10:23 AM
Almost pro, that was a great reply and I want to congratulate you on your success, you remind me of me.  :D  I started lifting when I was 125lbs. at 5'9" and now I'm over 210lbs. and hope to get to 240lbs. this year.  As far as slin use goes, I would say research the hell out of it tiny and try not to go crazy with it.  Some guys over at other boards are using 60iu a day!

AlmostPro
04-04-2002, 12:40 PM
Machine, congrats on your own progress - it sure is a whole lot sweeter being big than being a pencil-neck, ain't it?!  I can actually remember when I hit 160 pounds body weight - I really thought I was packing some beef!  I was a light-heavy for a good while (ripped at just shy of the 198 mark) - thought I was the shit; all tan and veiny, tiny wasp waist.  Then I fell in with some powerlifters and that's when I really started to blow the fuck up.  Yup - early on ya wear tank tops to flaunt your accomplishment, then, later, you gotta pretty much cover up with the biggest, baggiest shit you can find so you can go out in public without creating a scene.

Man, 60 iu's a day??!  Not me, baby. I know a guy who does 45 a day and for me that's still way extreme.  Christ, the shit's the bomb at half that a day.  When I first began experimenting with it, initially, I only administered right after my work-out, and even that very quickly had me looking hella full 24-7.

Tiny, if you try it, make damned sure you understand your specific product and related times tables.  And start off with an extremely conservative dose - maybe 4 or 5 iu's after your work-out, and take it from there.  It definitely jacks up any aas - point is to shuttle more protein into the muscle (damned sure more than aas alone) but the glycogen/carb maintanence is a must, just like breathing.  Too much - stored as fat; too little - feelin' hypo.  Like I said, no bad experiences for me, yet, but I damned sure know when I've taken it. At my stage, it's just more freak for my physique, but I was a hell of a light-heavy without ever even knowing it was out there waiting.

NAPALM1
04-04-2002, 12:52 PM
Good info. I use slin a lot, usually 6 weeks on and 4 weeks off. I don't use massive amounts like a lot of guys seem to though. I did at one time, but seen no difference in the value of it, except the possibilty of become hypo got worse. I only use 10iu after training now. I find I don't have to worry about taking in mass amounts of carbs at that dose to keep myself safe. plus I am cutting and on a low carb diet, and having to take more carbs would slow down the rate that I am able to acheive my goals. At 10iu, I can eat an apple or 6 oz of yogurt, and I am fine. I still take the precautions though and carry glucose tabe with me at all times. Later

AlmostPro
04-04-2002, 01:31 PM
I agree with Napalm; 10 iu's post work-out is enough - and I can damned sure relate to the unwanted intake of the extra carbs beyond that.  Once I broke past 7 iu's post training, shit made me so fucking hungry (beyond what I knew I HAD to have) that I could chew the paint right off the walls. I keep throwing the clean protein at it and it keeps on gittin' it.

NAPALM1
04-04-2002, 01:43 PM
LOL, I know the feeling. I was taking 25iu 2-3 times ED for a while (I know...stupid, stupid, stupid) when I was bulking about a year ago. I became hypo several times and I couldn't stop eating. Plus I was always tired and worn down. My training wasn't as intense because I was always to tired. I got fat, and felt like shit. I will never do it again!!! Later

BStrongBwell*
04-04-2002, 04:39 PM
great thread...I've considered it, but decided against it...mostly due to the reaction I'd get from the wife if she knew I added it.  hmmmm...thinking of ways to devise a workaround right now...

kydquick
04-04-2002, 06:40 PM
I had the same Problem Bstrong. She knows about my AAS use but not the slin, so i took the label off the bottle and told her its the water for the GH. After 6 years with her I finally got one by. Wish foolin around was that easy....not that i would ever do that!!!!!!

winnie
04-04-2002, 08:23 PM
Great info bro's...I don't see it in the near future for me...to many other things to experience at the moment... ;)

DecaDent*
04-04-2002, 08:52 PM
Great posts  :D
tiny,I don't think insulin fits into your current goals of cutting and I echo Sticklers advise on this one. Go slow with this one Captain Danger. ???