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many moons ago I started safe before I hit test.......Var and clen.
I worked up a dose form 40mg to 120 for several weeks.
I suggest you start at 40mg every day for the 4 week, I would like to see 6 weeks though, along side a smokin lean diet.
Milk thistle and R isomer alpha lipoic acid afterwards........
You wont lean out and put on 5 lbs of muscle eve with 200mg anavar.
And if possible I would run a bread and butter test cycle like 500mg per week for 10-12 weeks, Kick started with anavar and run the IGF as you mentioned.
It is all up to you.....play it safe, your liver has a "finite" life span.....
I worked up a dose form 40mg to 120 for several weeks.
I suggest you start at 40mg every day for the 4 week, I would like to see 6 weeks though, along side a smokin lean diet.
Milk thistle and R isomer alpha lipoic acid afterwards........
You wont lean out and put on 5 lbs of muscle eve with 200mg anavar.
And if possible I would run a bread and butter test cycle like 500mg per week for 10-12 weeks, Kick started with anavar and run the IGF as you mentioned.
It is all up to you.....play it safe, your liver has a "finite" life span.....
jtunderdog
MuscleChemistry Registered Member
Voodoo is right. You are just going to waste some money on just running var. The igf could possibly give you a couple pounds. I would run test for sure. How many cycles do you have or do you have any?
Maybe its time to do a tad bit more research.......DO NOT RUN 17 methylated AAS for more then 8 week, some even say 12.
I cut it at 8, But you also have to factor in dose. 40mg or 100+ like me.
I would start the IGF the same time as test, and then again near the very end and run it into PCT.....
you might respond better from using IGF 3-4 times per week, You will have to test it out.
orals are generally only to kick start or to finish off, I used to run var to start and winny to finish, then I started loosing my hair, then I pissed on the winny and flushed it down the drain. So pick thy compounds accordingly.
Gluck
I cut it at 8, But you also have to factor in dose. 40mg or 100+ like me.
I would start the IGF the same time as test, and then again near the very end and run it into PCT.....
you might respond better from using IGF 3-4 times per week, You will have to test it out.
orals are generally only to kick start or to finish off, I used to run var to start and winny to finish, then I started loosing my hair, then I pissed on the winny and flushed it down the drain. So pick thy compounds accordingly.
Gluck
Hair
That is something I don't want to do is loose my hair. Last time I was on IGF I did it for 5 weeks went up to 40 mcg twice a day. I wasn't using AAS. I was working with a lean strict diet. Now I want to put on muscle. Someone was telling me that they used IGF with Var and creatine and they build a lot of muscle and leaned out. Has anybody tried just useing creatine with IGF? I assuming that the results are not as fast as AAS.
That is something I don't want to do is loose my hair. Last time I was on IGF I did it for 5 weeks went up to 40 mcg twice a day. I wasn't using AAS. I was working with a lean strict diet. Now I want to put on muscle. Someone was telling me that they used IGF with Var and creatine and they build a lot of muscle and leaned out. Has anybody tried just useing creatine with IGF? I assuming that the results are not as fast as AAS.
jtunderdog
MuscleChemistry Registered Member
Creatine helps with endurance and supersaturates the muscles with water. You will gain some quick weight but most of it will be water from creatine. It will work well with igf, just realize if you bump up three or four pounds in the first week it is probably water weight. I also would look at the mirror and not the scale on igf. You may not gain an actual 5 pounds but you may lose some body fat and put on muscle to replace it.
thats easy math lets see... your doing 60mcgs total daily and you said for 6 weeks which is 42 days so you multiply 42 x 60 = 2,520mcgs . each bottle is 1,000mcgs so you need 3 bottles brutha which will leave you more then enough with 480mcgs left over which is enough for another 8 days worth on top of you 6 weeks
jtunderdog
MuscleChemistry Registered Member
I got jaw pumps at less than that. I am pretty impressed with Presser's math. LOL. I wouldn't go over 6 weeks but thats just me. I would def. get liv52, milk thistle, and anything else.
Awesome advice
That was my next question. What should I take for PCT. Clomid? I have read is good. Anything else?
I'm thinking of running 200 test a week with Anovar.
So far I'm at
60mcg IGF a day for 4 weeks.
Var 60 a day for 6 weeks
Test 200 a week.
Need some good PCT and I'm set.
That was my next question. What should I take for PCT. Clomid? I have read is good. Anything else?
I'm thinking of running 200 test a week with Anovar.
So far I'm at
60mcg IGF a day for 4 weeks.
Var 60 a day for 6 weeks
Test 200 a week.
Need some good PCT and I'm set.
Jesus crist, Some times I wonder where google.com went......I used to be a beginner too my self but I researched. Bang PCT into google!
Var looks good, You can try 40mg for a couple weeks first then move to 60, Some have "immense" < lol - Back pumps and jaw issues with 60mg - I have them around 100mg.
IGF looks good...... Test, I would say 250mg/week But its up to you.
PCT - You probably wont need HCG at all - especially if its a 8-10 weeker I am not sure you didn't specify.
But you will want NOLVADEX - Regular protocol is 40 40 20 20
That is 40mg for 2 weeks and 20 for 2 weeks, By then things should be ready to go, especially after a small gentle cycle like you have planned out.
Don't expect miracles on the cycle you planned, and especially not if you don't diet properly. Bulk or cut, Diet diet diet + train!
enjoy
Var looks good, You can try 40mg for a couple weeks first then move to 60, Some have "immense" < lol - Back pumps and jaw issues with 60mg - I have them around 100mg.
IGF looks good...... Test, I would say 250mg/week But its up to you.
PCT - You probably wont need HCG at all - especially if its a 8-10 weeker I am not sure you didn't specify.
But you will want NOLVADEX - Regular protocol is 40 40 20 20
That is 40mg for 2 weeks and 20 for 2 weeks, By then things should be ready to go, especially after a small gentle cycle like you have planned out.
Don't expect miracles on the cycle you planned, and especially not if you don't diet properly. Bulk or cut, Diet diet diet + train!
enjoy
jtunderdog
MuscleChemistry Registered Member
I would go to between 250 and 350 on the test. How many cycles have you done? Im guessing none but I am wondering. If you are just cutting 350 will be great. If its your first cycle 250 and the right nutrition will get you some great results.
bro dont talk to members like that! Thats what this site is for ...to ask questions, what good is google when you can come here and ask experienced bodybuilders and get a real answer not some googled text that you dont know where the info comes from.
I can google about 10 different answers for every one question i have , what good is that shit when members can come here and their questions no matter how obvious you might think they are that is what we are here for period!
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