delicate molecular chain

Chiselmeat

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I have been using HGH from Lilly for nearly a year. I have also done IGF LR3 in the powder form. In each case the instructions are carefull to describe a mixing procedure that does not include vigorous shaking. Its my understanding that in each case ( HGH, IGF LR3) the molecule is a long delicate chain that will be damaged when shaken. My most resent purchase was, to my suprise, already reconstituted. If it is already reconstituted and then shipped in a liquid form, is it not shaken vigorously in the transport trucks and the mail carriers bag? Will it be damaged and rendered useless. Some one please set me straight on this.
 
It won't be useless. The volatility depends on what it is reconstituted with. I know I have talked to several guys here about it and the mcas is very stable. I kept mine in the fridge but if you just keep it in the dark its okay for several weeks. Hopefully someone with more knowledge than me can explain this better.
 
It won't be useless. The volatility depends on what it is reconstituted with. I know I have talked to several guys here about it and the mcas is very stable. I kept mine in the fridge but if you just keep it in the dark its okay for several weeks. Hopefully someone with more knowledge than me can explain this better.
 
IGF1-LR3 reconstituted with AA (ascetic acid) is much more stable than when it is reconstituted with bacteriostatic water. The AA creates a kind of buffer for the molecule whereas the BW does not. You do still want to keep it in the fridge, but it is much less prone to being damaged by shaking--although you DON'T want to sit there and shake it hard.
 
If IGF is reconstituted in AA then it can even be kept at room temps for over a year without change in potency, or deteriorating.
 
I know alcohol doesn't freeze (like vodka.) I wouldn't think it was a good idea but you may get some other answers.
 
putting it in any extreme temperatures would be a bad idea if you ask me. I dont know what it would to to it structurally but i wouldnt do it. Why would you want to?
 
I used to store my IGF in the freezer back when it was reconstituted in BA, not AA. It didn't freeze & worked just the same. Not sure about the AA & freezing though.
 
putting it in any extreme temperatures would be a bad idea if you ask me. I dont know what it would to to it structurally but i wouldnt do it. Why would you want to?
I was following the proticol set out by DavePalumbo

Article by Dave Palumbo concerning IGF-LR3

(1)-STORAGE OF IGF-1(prior to mixing)
Lyophilized (dry) IGF-1is stable at room temperture for three weeks; however, it should be stored below -18 degrees celsius (in the freezer section).

(2)WEIGHT OF IGF-1
1 milligram (mg) IGF-1 = 1,000 mcg (micrograms) IGF-1 (dry weight- before mixing).

(3) WHAT TO MIX THE IGF-1 WITH
When reconstituting, it's important to remember IGF-1 can get "stuck" in the grooves of the glass bottle it comes packaged in. While glass appears smooth to the naked eye, under a microscope, it's a convoluted landscape of grooves and hidden recesses.
By mixing the lyophilized IGF-1 with an "sterile acetic acid" , the IGF-1 molecules are efficiently detached from the glass and solubilized in the mixture.

(4) ADDING THE ACETIC ACID
For the purposes of mathematical ease, I suggest mixing the dry 1 milligram (1,000 microgram) IGF-1 with 3ml (or 3cc) of the "acetic acid" mixture.

(5) PRESERVATION OF THE IGF-1
Next, using a 1cc insulin syringe draw out 1cc out of the bottle containing the 3cc acid water/IGF-1 mixture. In a seperate 1cc insulin syringe, draw up another 1cc of the solution. Freeze these two loaded insulin syringes. They will be utilized at a later date.

NOTE: Freezing can safely and effectively preserve IGF-1(even after its been mixed).

(6) THE CORRECT DILUTION
To the remaining 1cc of IGF-1 thats left in the glass bottle, add 2cc of bacterialstatic water. This will return the total volume back up to 3cc.

(7) THE MATHEMATICS
(A) The original concentration of the IGF-1 solution was 1mg, (1000 micrograms),
IGF-1 in 3cc of water.

(B) Each 1cc that was removed, then, contained approximately 333 micrograms IGF-1 per 1cc.

1,000 micrograms/3cc = 333 micrograms per 1cc.

(C) The 1cc that was left in the bottle, then, also contains 333 micrograms of IGF-1.

(D) Next, we added 2cc of bacterialstatic water to the bottle and brought the volume back up to 3cc. The difference is we now have 333 micrograms in 3cc of water, (instead of in 1cc).

(E)To determine how much IGF-1 is in 1cc syringe, you must divide by three.

333 micrograms/3cc = 111 micrograms per 1cc.

(F) To determine how much IGF-1 is in .10cc (or 1/10thcc) we do the following:

111 micrograms/10 = 11micrograms per .10cc

(8)EFFICTIVE DOSAGES OF IGF-1
Dosages in the range of 10 to 20 micrograms per day, (taken 10 to 15 minuters after training), are quite effective for building and repairing muscle tissue.
More importantly, these moderate dosages, (by some peoples estimation),
stimulate muscle growth yet escape rapid "downregulation" of the all important IGF-1 receptors.
Without receptors to recognize the IGF-1, it doesn't matter how much you inject,
NOTHING will happen.
As dosages climb to over 50 micrograms per day, receptor downgrade increases exponentially, and from what I've observed among bodybuilders, muscle gains come to a screeching hault.

Bodybuilders will have the most sucess with IGF-1 if they follow the protocol I outlined below. REMEMBER, more isn't always better.

11 micrograms per day for 30 days (cycle 1) 333 micrograms

2 weeks OFF

11 micrograms per day for 30 days (cycle 2)** 333 micrograms

2 weeks OFF

11 micrograms per day for 30 days (cycle 3)** 333 micrograms

8 weeks OFF

** The second and third cycles of IGF-1 treatment require that the two Frozen 1cc insulin syringes be defrosted, (only defrost one per cycle).
Next, inject the defrosted solution into an empty bottle.
Further dilute with 2cc bacterialstatic water. When adding the 2cc of water, use the syringe that originally held the frozen IGF-1.
This also helps to wash the syringe and ensure that no IGF-1 is stuck inside of it.

Today I removed the second 1cc syringe of igf-1/aa mix and it was not frozen.
 
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