IGF and Insulin stack
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big lifter
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why only 3iu slin mate? ive been running 200mcg igf and 20iu slin and dont really think thats a huge dose.
NAIR
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How is 20 ius working for you? Are you making appreciable gains with that dose? I use 10 and don't see much progress...
And I've been stacking the two for the last week and a half and as of tomorrow I'm kicking the IGF because I believe it is sabotaging my gains.
And I've been stacking the two for the last week and a half and as of tomorrow I'm kicking the IGF because I believe it is sabotaging my gains.
big lifter
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funny you said that mate, ive been thinking stacking the 2 together for some reason has brought down my gains aswell.. or maybe its just my dosing schedule but ive tried it nearly everyway i can think of.. tbh i feel like im going better with the igf by itself, so go figure. as much as i like experimenting with these compounds especially while off cycle i noticed that when i was running my slin 2 x a day i was putting on some unwanted fat so i brought it back to just PWO and have began to lean out again, but not seeing the results im used to from igf, im thinking though that it could just be the doses im running causing my body to become to accustomed to the igf so im just finishing up this bottle and having a break for a few weeks atleast or maybe untill i go back on cycle. ive done alot more variations with my igf dosing than with slin but im going to try slin pre an post WO which i havnt tried b4.
The Dude
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Why both at the same time? Have you read of synergism between the two? I just finished 12 weeks of 70mcg of IGF a day and I'm thinking of giving Humalog a shot PreW/O following the protocol Nair posted.
nuknuk
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just be on the safe side.
nuknuk
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No I havent. But will and get back to you on that.
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saudades
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There's a lot of confusion as whether to use HGH and slin, HGH, IGF, and slin, or IGF and slin. Many believe that HGH doesn't really do much and that IGF is what you really want in the first place. I would agree only to a certain point.
When you use IGF and slin, both are directly competing for blood glucose/nutrients to shuttle into the cell since they use the same signaling pathway into the cell. Using HGH and slin, it takes some time for the IGF to be produced to do its job. Ultimately, for all three cases above, it comes down to timing of when the body can use each component. Not necessarily a synergism, you just have to let them do their job without competition from each other.
The real synergism is in using HGH with IGF because using one without the other lowers the other in the body--did that make sense? Using IGF will lower your own body's production of IGF AND HGH and vice versa because of the negative feedback loop in the hypothalamus. So naturally, you would want to keep levels of both high. You get the boost of IGF direct to the muscle and IGF produced in the liver routed to the whole body so it's like 1 + 1 = 3 sort of condition. Adding slin to this mix is where you get the most benefit as long as you take them so that they aren't competing with each other.
Okay, I'm done rambling now.
When you use IGF and slin, both are directly competing for blood glucose/nutrients to shuttle into the cell since they use the same signaling pathway into the cell. Using HGH and slin, it takes some time for the IGF to be produced to do its job. Ultimately, for all three cases above, it comes down to timing of when the body can use each component. Not necessarily a synergism, you just have to let them do their job without competition from each other.
The real synergism is in using HGH with IGF because using one without the other lowers the other in the body--did that make sense? Using IGF will lower your own body's production of IGF AND HGH and vice versa because of the negative feedback loop in the hypothalamus. So naturally, you would want to keep levels of both high. You get the boost of IGF direct to the muscle and IGF produced in the liver routed to the whole body so it's like 1 + 1 = 3 sort of condition. Adding slin to this mix is where you get the most benefit as long as you take them so that they aren't competing with each other.
Okay, I'm done rambling now.
The Dude
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#1. Damn bro, you are looking phenomenol in that new pic!! Awesome!!
#2. I understand negative biofeedback, but I think its really going to be about timing and that gets more complicated as you add in additional drugs. It is speculated that most of GH's benefits come via the triggered release of IGF. As you mentioned IGF can to some degree mimic insulin's effects... someone has to have this figured out. The only issue I see in trying to figure it out on your own is a high potential for serious hypoglycemia. I would carry sugar packets and glucose tabs at all times. That being said I'm sure if one did figure it out there would be massive gains to be had.
I personally don't have the ball's despite my Biochem background to fuck with more than one. The next few weeks will be my first time experimenting with Humalog. Humulin R is gargage. If its worthwhile I will alternate IGF with Humalog.
And please feel free to ramble.... this is where very valuable information is shared.
big lifter
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at different stages of my experimenting with humalog and igf ive done igf pre WO and PWO with slin ive done it only PWO with slin, ive done igf and slin in the morning and then igf and slin PWO later on that day. there definately is somthing about these 2 competing in the blood stream, because i honestly get better gains using one or the other, so like somebody said above if sombody found out the best dosing schedule for these drugs, there are some serious gains to be had.
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saudades
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Thanks, bro, I'm trying. :flex:
Yep, it really does come down to timing, and there certainly is a big potential for hypoglycemia. Personally, I've done it this way recently:
HGH: Morning (10iu)
IGF: 30 min before my workout (100mcg) having had carbs about an hour earlier
Insulin (Humalog): Directly after my workout along with a weight gainer protein shake (I'm up to 12iu).
I do carry glucose tabs everywhere in case I need it, and this protocol has been working well for me so far. I'm about a couple months in.
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saudades
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Incidentally, for the last week, I have now been doing my HGH via IV. I'm not going to say how I do that, just that it is IV. Damn, if I don't feel it hit me immediately--wow! I believe that has been one of the things responsible for my quick transformation these last two weeks.
Running out of IGF though, need to get some more asap.
Running out of IGF though, need to get some more asap.
The Dude
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Awesome, someone stepped up and tried it! Please ellaborate on what you mean when you say you feel it hit you immediately. What have you noticed in two weeks???
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saudades
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It's hard to describe the feeling, but you feel something coursing through you as soon as you get it in. Fuck, it literally feels (at least to me) like you're growing somehow. I'm immediately hungry and have to eat something. In the last two weeks, I seem to have really leaned out but also seem to have grown a little bigger at the same time (new avatar pic). Muscles feel big and full constantly. In fact my stomach is growling as I'm writing this, gotta go eat lunch!
Shaptown
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you cannot IV something that contains acetic acid....that is a great way to kill yourself
Shaptown
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well, as you know, MC's IGF comes already reconstituted in AA for IM administration. If it came lyophilized, and you reconstituted in bacteriostatic water, you could definitely IV it. Not sure it would be as effective as IV HGH though...
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