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tolly
11-08-2011, 10:32 PM
Yeah I know its been done to death and I searched as hard as I could on here before deciding to ask some questions.

Now alot of the recipies Ive found seem a little dated 04 to 07 and from when people used the 'conversion kits ' available at the time.

For instance even basskillers recipe still uses 'heet' (I can get this no problems) even though Im in Australia. It also uses 'magic solution' and I have no idea what this is, Im assuming it came in the old conversion kits. Plus he does a bit of baking in the oven at the end, is all this still relevant?

Can anyone point me in the right direction (a link is fine, or a pm) as to any new or better techniques? I want to keep it simple as Im green guys.

Thanks, tolly

Presser
11-09-2011, 01:46 PM
I dont see why the old methods wouldnt work just as well these days bro

Metal85
11-09-2011, 01:52 PM
that stuff seems like too much of a hassle unless you r doing a good amt, 20cc worth was not worth all the time and effort

tolly
11-09-2011, 05:07 PM
I dont see why the old methods wouldnt work just as well these days bro

Hey Presser I would use the old methods but they all have this 'magic formula' as part of the recipe and thats why Im lost.

Metal85
11-09-2011, 05:09 PM
crush up, disolve, filter, bake, cool lol

tolly
11-09-2011, 05:15 PM
that stuff seems like too much of a hassle unless you r doing a good amt, 20cc worth was not worth all the time and effort

Agreed Mate but a friend is organising 'Finaplix-H 100 doses' for about 350 bucks from memory and living in Australia its easier to get home and past customs than any powder. Ideally Id like to bottle up as many 10ml vials @100mg/ml I can from this amount for future cycles

Metal85
11-09-2011, 05:26 PM
there you go

tolly
11-09-2011, 05:50 PM
crush up, disolve, filter, bake, cool lol

So disolve with 'heet'? filter with coffee filter? dry powder overnight, add desired bb and ba and oil use whatman filter and bake to ensure everythings sterile? No 'magic formula'

sarcoplasm
11-09-2011, 07:48 PM
Do a search on Notacow makes crystal fina and follow this procedure meticulously. You will end up with tren powder

tolly
11-09-2011, 08:34 PM
Do a search on Notacow makes crystal fina and follow this procedure meticulously. You will end up with tren powder

found it, exactly what I was after thankyou

Metal85
11-09-2011, 08:44 PM
there you go bro easy process

tolly
11-10-2011, 04:00 AM
Oh shit the recipe is refering to the bloody magic solution again and I cant find those kits available anywhere 'Add 2 ml of ‘magic solution’ from a finakits kit'....

So as a complete newbie, magic solution in this recipe is couid be replaced with a bb andaa ba mix yes? If so any ideas on amounts based on Notacow makes crystal tren (http://www.elitefitness.com/members/basskiller/crystal_fina.html) 2 gram batch recipe of fina?

Elky1967
11-10-2011, 04:44 AM
I think they still make kits. Search "fina aroma kits" in any search engine.... If thats what you're looking for.

tolly
11-10-2011, 05:36 AM
I think they still make kits. Search "fina aroma kits" in any search engine.... If thats what you're looking for.

Thanks, thats what Im after. I have everything in stock already except the 'magic/special solution' so looks like I will be buying a kit

sarcoplasm
11-10-2011, 11:26 PM
Thanks, thats what Im after. I have everything in stock already except the 'magic/special solution' so looks like I will be buying a kit

Bro listen,
The crystal method by Natacow requires no magic solution, so I would re read it CAREFULLY. This method will leave you with tren powder. The kits will leave you with a tren/solvent mixture with which you will add oil to. Kits are convienient but you dont really know how much tren you actually have. Kits are overpriced as well.

sarcoplasm
11-10-2011, 11:33 PM
Bro listen,
The crystal method by Natacow requires no magic solution, so I would re read it CAREFULLY. This method will leave you with tren powder. The kits will leave you with a tren/solvent mixture with which you will add oil to. Kits are convienient but you dont really know how much tren you actually have. Kits are overpriced as well.

OOOPPPS! MY BAD!! It DOES! show the use of the magic solution. But no worries once you have dry tren powder (Notacow Method) simply weigh and follow a recipie for tren powder conversion . Magic solution is ba/bb anyway.

tolly
11-11-2011, 01:11 AM
OOOPPPS! MY BAD!! It DOES! show the use of the magic solution. But no worries once you have dry tren powder () simply weigh and follow a recipie for tren powder conversion . Magic solution is ba/bb anyway.

Yeah its just that one small step where they use the 'magic solvent'. All good I found a supplier, its just a bummer I gotta buy the whole kit and cant just get some 'magic solution'.

So your saying follow the Notacow Method but once Ive got the dried powder to just follow a normal recipe for making tren from raw powder (like the kind ordered from say China).

Ive bought the Finaplix-h 100 doses for around $350. Any idea how much powder i may get overall?

Elky1967
11-11-2011, 01:22 AM
Yeah its just that one small step where they use the 'magic solvent'. All good I found a supplier, its just a bummer I gotta buy the whole kit and cant just get some 'magic solution'.

So your saying follow the Notacow Method but once Ive got the dried powder to just follow a normal recipe for making tren from raw powder (like the kind ordered from say China).

Ive bought the Finaplix-h 100 doses for around $350. Any idea how much powder i may get overall?

BA/BB is out there. Trying searching for "20ML Benzyl Benzoate (USP GRADE)" or "Benzyl Alcohol (20cc) Dissolving Solution"

tolly
11-11-2011, 03:34 AM
BA/BB is out there. Trying searching for "20ML Benzyl Benzoate (USP GRADE)" or "Benzyl Alcohol (20cc) Dissolving Solution"

Ive got BA/BB is that the 'magic solution'? Jesus I keep reading its a closely guarded secret lol

Elky1967
11-11-2011, 03:56 AM
OOOPPPS! MY BAD!! It DOES! show the use of the magic solution. But no worries once you have dry tren powder (Notacow Method) simply weigh and follow a recipie for tren powder conversion . Magic solution is ba/bb anyway.

I was just going off what Sarco said above. Never used "magic" myself.

tolly
11-11-2011, 04:34 AM
The more i look into it the more I keep reading that "magic solution" is just ba/bb mix, some say 50/50 ratio others opinions vary. I do want to go down the Notacow crystal fina method and make powder. This way I know what dosage my final product is, so stuff it I will pay the extra for a kit.

tolly
11-11-2011, 12:08 PM
Ok Ive come to the conclusion Im going to go with this version of The crystal method by Natacow:

1. remove pellets from holder and add to heet(YELLOW BLUE BOTTLE ONLY)(250ml per 5 carts) in jar with lid
2. wait for pellets to dissolve binders will be on bottom(hasten process by shaking and or adding a marble and shaking)
3 pour solution thru coffee filter held to top of pitcher by clothespins and throw away filter and binders(tren is in liquid)
4 add 500ml of EXTREMELY COLD H2O(like slushy) thru pinhole in dish in throat of pitcher approx. 1 drip sec.(slow drip very cold greater yield)
5 pour liquid and crystals thru coffee filter in identical pitcher till filter is full of crystals (for better yield remove filter add another and repour liquid thru new filter) THIS IS ONLY NEEDED IF LIQUID IS CLOUDY
6 clean crystals with water (1/2 gal m/l) I use a pitcher with a hole in bottom and a 10 ml syringe to agitate and clean powder
7 dry powder I use a heat lamp(dont get too hot it will melt
8 weigh powder add ba bb then add oil heat and suspend
9 filter with 22um filter

Couple of questions, how many carts in total in the Finaplix-h 100 doses Ive purchased off amazon? As Im going to need 250mls of Heet for every 5 carts.

On instuction 2 where it says 'throw away filter and binders (tren is in liquid)'. To clarify this means that the tren is now liquid and whatever is left in the filter is useless binders?

In instruction 4 add 500ml of EXTREMELY COLD H2O(like slushy) thru pinhole in dish in throat of pitcher approx. 1 drip sec. Could be an Aussie thing but whats a pinhole in a dish? Do I have to make it? Pitcher is an American term do you guys mean like a large glass jug?

Instruction 5: pour liquid and crystals? Did the slow dripping of extremely cold water turn what was just fina water minus fillers into a mix of both water and fina crystals? Thats friggin awesome, how is that possible

Instruction 6: So Ive filtered the crystals and its time to wash them with water at (1/2 gal m/l) is that half a gallon of water to a m/l of crystals?. So what would I place the crystals in to wash them? Also could someone please explain how to use a pitcher with a hole in bottom and a 10 ml syringe to clean these crystals?

And lastly these instuctions are based on a 5 cart conversion, my plan is to convert my entire Finaplix-h 100 doses in one go, so I just work out the number of carts and increase the heet, water used in filtering and water used to clean to suit?

Thanks everyone in advance for putting up with the newbie Aussie who has never heard of a pitcher, heet or even Finaplix-h until a couple of days ago. With your help I think this is going to be real fun and rewarding.

sarcoplasm
11-11-2011, 08:01 PM
Ok Ive come to the conclusion Im going to go with this version of The crystal method by Natacow:

1. remove pellets from holder and add to heet(YELLOW BLUE BOTTLE ONLY)(250ml per 5 carts) in jar with lid
2. wait for pellets to dissolve binders will be on bottom(hasten process by shaking and or adding a marble and shaking)
3 pour solution thru coffee filter held to top of pitcher by clothespins and throw away filter and binders(tren is in liquid)
4 add 500ml of EXTREMELY COLD H2O(like slushy) thru pinhole in dish in throat of pitcher approx. 1 drip sec.(slow drip very cold greater yield)
5 pour liquid and crystals thru coffee filter in identical pitcher till filter is full of crystals (for better yield remove filter add another and repour liquid thru new filter) THIS IS ONLY NEEDED IF LIQUID IS CLOUDY
6 clean crystals with water (1/2 gal m/l) I use a pitcher with a hole in bottom and a 10 ml syringe to agitate and clean powder
7 dry powder I use a heat lamp(dont get too hot it will melt
8 weigh powder add ba bb then add oil heat and suspend
9 filter with 22um filter

Couple of questions, how many carts in total in the Finaplix-h 100 doses Ive purchased off amazon? As Im going to need 250mls of Heet for every 5 carts.

On instuction 2 where it says 'throw away filter and binders (tren is in liquid)'. To clarify this means that the tren is now liquid and whatever is left in the filter is useless binders?

In instruction 4 add 500ml of EXTREMELY COLD H2O(like slushy) thru pinhole in dish in throat of pitcher approx. 1 drip sec. Could be an Aussie thing but whats a pinhole in a dish? Do I have to make it? Pitcher is an American term do you guys mean like a large glass jug?

Instruction 5: pour liquid and crystals? Did the slow dripping of extremely cold water turn what was just fina water minus fillers into a mix of both water and fina crystals? Thats friggin awesome, how is that possible

Instruction 6: So Ive filtered the crystals and its time to wash them with water at (1/2 gal m/l) is that half a gallon of water to a m/l of crystals?. So what would I place the crystals in to wash them? Also could someone please explain how to use a pitcher with a hole in bottom and a 10 ml syringe to clean these crystals?

And lastly these instuctions are based on a 5 cart conversion, my plan is to convert my entire Finaplix-h 100 doses in one go, so I just work out the number of carts and increase the heet, water used in filtering and water used to clean to suit?

Thanks everyone in advance for putting up with the newbie Aussie who has never heard of a pitcher, heet or even Finaplix-h until a couple of days ago. With your help I think this is going to be real fun and rewarding.

1. Do not do the 100 doses at one time! I frmly sugest you start with 10 dose (2000) mg worth of tren pellets until YOU GET THE HANG OF THIS!!! More to come in a minute

sarcoplasm
11-11-2011, 08:15 PM
2. Bro PLEASE READ THE NOTACOW CRYSTAL FINA METHOD AGAIN!!! I think you are mixing up the Synovex conversion procedure with the fina conv. Also make SURE ! you are using DISTILLED WATER! NOT TAP WATER! Any yes after you dissolve pellets in heet you will toss the white substance in the coffee filter and keep the liquid as it CONTAINS THE TREN!!!

benchingover500
11-12-2011, 02:47 AM
look in the complete anabolics book there are instructions & pictures.

tolly
11-13-2011, 06:58 AM
look in the complete anabolics book there are instructions & pictures.
No worries will do. Apologies to all for cluttering up the boards with questions on a process most of you probably did years ago. Its just that living in Australia, powders and even pellets are so hard to get through customs. Only a select few know how to brew properly and they aint that keen to share.
I will pm one member who has offered to help when I do get my fina pellets and hopefully he will be patient enough to walk me through it. If you mods could delete this thread that would be appreciated too. Dont think it offers much knowledge to any members and I could be a bit paranoid but just incase it comes back to bite me in the ass legally.

Thanks Guys

SarsippiusIII
12-01-2011, 01:21 AM
You have a PM