DecaDent*...and your endo knowledge...

I notice you have a good knowledge of the actual science behind all this. I too have knowledge of the endocrine system and how it works. I was wondering if you could give some insight on the following. Have I covered all bases for post cycle prevention of losses. I know their are three major factors I would like to address to help prevent any rebound effect of the three major hormones that need to be addressed post cycle. I figure that first and foremost is out testosterone. For that we will use clomid, with a bit of hcg to jump start things in the last week of my cycle. Second, which compliments the test would be our relatively higher then normal estrogen levels. For that I chose arimidex, and I will up the dose post cycle. Lastly, we have the rebound effect of cortisol which may be felt as the androgens clear their receptors and we have an influx of cortisol binding to receptors and eating away precious muscle tissue. For this I was considering clen, but not sure if their is anyting better out their or for how short a time period I could get away with using it since I don't want to shred up much more after an eq/winny cycle. I know that eq can suppress heavily, and am only using the arimidex for estrogen control and prevention of clomid acne. My main goal off this cycle is about 10-12lbs. of solid muscle and would like to keep it ALL at about 6-8weeks post cycle. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks bro.

Sounds like you have it nailed.
As far as cortisol suppression,I'm not a hugh Clen fan,mostly because of the side effects it gives me.
My last cycle I experimented post cycle by adding 8mg Triamcinalone Acetonide as a single IM shot (0.2ml of Kenalog-40) timed at the mid-way point of my Clomid. Theoreticly,Kenalog, with it's long half life and at that dose should be a mild enough to tame the adrenal cortisol rebound as it self tapers over about a 2-3 week period without it itself causing any glucciocorticoid type sides. It seemed to work as my post cycle losses have been nil. (preface that with the fact that this was a cutting cycle and I was fairly dry already from winny,plus I am also taking HGH)
If nothing else the Kenalog was wonderful for the joints with noticably less tendonitis/joint pains within 12 hours.

Some other things I use as gainskeepers are DHEA 50mg ED timed to coincide with my clomid. I also restart Creatine the day of my last AAS injection and bump up the glutamine by 10g/D. I'm also staying on the HGH post cycle.

Reducing the amount of cortisol in the body is important after stopping your cycle. This can also be accomplished by the intake of 800mg of Phosphatidylersine per day. There has been a great deal of controversy as to whether or not this supplement actually works. I feel that it has little effect on normal levels of cortisol in the body, but will work very well on reducing elevated levels after the discontinuance of steroids.

Deca Im gonna have to try the Kenalog if it helps joint pain that much.

What's this kenalog you speak of? If I could cut out the clen I'd be ecstatic. I also don't want to take it due to the sides, and as a mtter of fact I don't feel I need it either but to keep gains....any way any info on optional methods to reduce cortisol post cycle would be tight. Thakns bro.

Kenalog is the name brand. Triamcinalone Acetonide is the chemical name. It is in the "cortisone" family.

How do I obtain it, is it legal? Only need one shot about midway through? I am not doing a heavy cycle as I want to stay lean but add about 10 big ones. Heres what I got planned...the gains keeper :

wk 1-10 eq 400mg/wk
wk 5-11 winny 50mg/eod (might add in some ip to make it ED)
wk 11-12 hcg 1000 iu mwf
wk 13-16 clomid 100mg/10day, 50mg/10 day
wk 6-16 arimidex .25mg/eod then ed 5 wk each.

considering somthing to help combat the cortisol rebound at the end...do you think it's necessary on this regimen...was thinking even something as mild as ephedra.

almost forgot...I previously used winny/anavar and gained about 7, so 10 from this should be easy.

I TO WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE TO GET KENALOG

It sounds like something you would need a prescription for.I suffer from joint pain to and if kenalog reduces cortisol and joint pain I would choose it over clen.Is there a good source for this? PM me if need to.

bump for decadent* reply...

Kenalog is an Rx but not a scheduled/controled drug. I've only done it this last time and so as far as dosage goes I plan on sticking with the same amt. next time as it helped,especially the joints. It will act via a negative feedback mechanism to the adrenals to slow cortisol production. 40-60mg is a full therapeutic dose when used for treatment and total suppression. It lasts about 2 weeks in your system. I used only 8mg as a single shot,midway thru my clomid.
Your dosage on HCG looks good but I'd never do it at the end of a cycle. I go with that same dose during weeks 3/6/9......doing it close to the end like that will slow your HPTA recovery and increase E2 levels more,some guys have gotten gyno using it that way.

Kool...so on that Hcg you think week 6 & 9 would be better or is 9th wk to close to end also? Only got enough for two weeks. Can I find Kenalog on the net?

almost forgot...can you do the Hcg subq?

HCG is subQ.
6 and 9 sound great.
I'm sure that Kenalog can be purchased,PM me if you can't find it.
Sounds like youv'e lined this up to be a good cycle bro.

Does subQ mean sublingual

Cause I thought it was injected.Glad somebody brought that up.Decadent I've heard people using as little as 500 iu doses.In your opinion is that enough or would you opt for 1000iu in3/6/9.
My first cycle looks like
1-10 test 3ml T200
1-10 deca 400mg
7-12 winny 50mg ed
liquidex throughout and clomid post cycle
Was going to end with clen but will try for the kenalog instead and the diet you recommended and it sounds like the hcg as recommended would cap it all off.

SubQ=subcutaneous
Hard to say what the optimal HCG dose is...500-1000 is a range,I just picked 1000.
Reminder: anti-inflammatories(Motrin,Aleve,aspirin,Celebrex etc) will interfer with the action of HGC. You should stop any anti-inflammatories about a week before HCG and you can start back up with them 3days fafter your last shot of HCG.

Yeah, trying to perfect this cycle as much as possible...no point in saving money now and losing gains later, right. So 6 and 9 for the hcg then, thanks for your help bro....will shoot you a pm probably since noone I speak to know what kenalog is. Thanks again bro....great insite from a great mod.

oh yeah, slin needle ok for the hcg? in the abdomen?

JizzyFoShizzy said:

oh yeah, slin needle ok for the hcg? in the abdomen?

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That will work great. I use a 27ga 5/8".

Also you can mix the HCG to a stronger concentration than is listed. No need to use all 10cc's of the dilutant/water. I mix mine 10,000U in 2 cc of bacteriostatic water and only shoot 0.2ml=1000U.