IGF-1 LR3 for ACL rehab...

So I'm new to posting/signing up but I've been digging around on MC and other sites for a while now and I can't really get a straight answer.

Let me bring everyone up to speed. I tore my ACL in Jan. Got the cadaver allograft surgery in Feb. I'm almost 6 months out and I'm ahead of schedule as far as recovery goes, but it isn't fast enough for me. I need to be able to take a PT test that involves alot of running and cutting in a few months.

..Anyway back to the ?'s

- I am unsure how much igf-1 to use in general for a first timer *with IGf anyway (I used gear back in the day Dbol n whinny, if that even matters)

-also I'm a little confused should I pin right into the knee or just above it? or what? does it matter? which is better for rehab of the ligament?

- and one last question... Well this one is a multi parter- I see that some of you pin in the muscle group you are working pre WO & some do post. (again, does it matter? which is better for rehab of the ligament?)

What if you do total body WO's? Is there like a general/better place to pin for whole body? or should I just go back to splitting up my WO's by muscle groups?

Sorry for the long post and so many questions I just want to be 100% sure about this and im sure some of you understand...Any and all advice is greatly appreciated.

_JPC_

Welcome to MuscleChemistry bro!

As for ur dose I would start out at 30-40mcg daily, I would also apply it as close as possible to the injury. I would also take preworkout, as thats what I personaly do however guys also take it post and both have said to have success with it each way.

If i was concerned with healing an injury sooner i would not concern myself with what body part om doing that day and applying the igf there, i would always apply it close to that injury

hope that helps some brutha

Presser said:

Welcome to MuscleChemistry bro!

As for ur dose I would start out at 30-40mcg daily, I would also apply it as close as possible to the injury. I would also take preworkout, as thats what I personaly do however guys also take it post and both have said to have success with it each way.

If i was concerned with healing an injury sooner i would not concern myself with what body part om doing that day and applying the igf there, i would always apply it close to that injury

hope that helps some brutha

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DEF helps man.... and yea well i mean I am MOST concerned with healing up my knee. But I am also interested in the other benefits of IGF1- fat loss, increased muscle, etc etc. So the where to pin part was for in general really. Im guessing you recommend pinning each muscle group for said workout... presser what do you do? im trying to achieve that lol

Thanks!

Ok bro. When you get an allograft acl replacement (cadaver graft) you arent really trying to heal the acl itself. The healing occurs where the graft attaches (to the tibia and the lateral femoral condyle). The graft comes with a bone plug on each end and gets pulled through a tunnel created in the tibia and the through a tunnel through the femur. These bone plugs are held in with biocomposite interferencen screws that eventually absorb. The bone plugs on each end will eventually be revascularized by your body and "fuse" on each end. The acl itself is what it is. Its dead and the cells within it are dead.
Going by what i know about igf i dont know how it would actually help considering the graft contains no living tissue to stimulate new cell production.
IGF would be a good choice in my opinion if you used an autograft (your own tissue) but thats not the case here.
I can see using it if you feel your graft is not tight enough and your knee feels 'sloppy' and unstable because it would stimulate more scar tissue growth as well as stimulate osteophyte growth which would give you a more stable knee eventually.
The prob with this is if you stimulate the growth of osteophytes (bone spurs) your body cannot control the exact location of them.
At times osteophytes form against the medial and lateral edge of the femur and tibia which 'tent' the ligaments and cause stiffness.

So can IGF help you??? In my opinion the answer is YES but it will be limited. To maximize your recovery add testosterone and deca. Both of which have been shown to help increase the healing time of bone injuries. Since you had a tunnel drilled through your tibia and femur you have a controlled bone injury. It can take a full year to heal these tunnels so all three of these compounda will help you do this.

FOR THE RECORD..... I feel is a horrible idea to do repeated injections into your joint. If you add the IGF do it at the tibial tuberacle (the bump on the top of your tibia just below the joint) and the lateral side of your femur. Feel your patella and go from the most superior part and go down three finger breaths (you most likely have an incision near by). Stay in the sub q and dont dive deep with the needle. Nobody wants to see you shoot IGF into your popliteal nerve.

I did not know that there was a difference between the grafts other than one being from my hamstring, etc. and one the cadaver... all very beneficial info... and this is why we research. lol. Thanks bro!

All I can say about how my knee feels is pain specifically when I run. It's like a 6/7 out of 10. I wouldn't call it sloppy or loose or anything like that, so I guess that's a good thing. I can tolerate it for a little bit, but It gets progressively worse. Worries me ya know, the last thing I want to do is re-tear it.

So HGH prolotherapy in the knee is probably a better bet for me then. I have been going back and forth between which i wanted to do (both for rehab's sake and just in general) I just figured IGF cause its more cost effective and from what i've read, (which could very well be wrong) - in laymans terms HGH bascially turns into or increases IGF production in the liver.

Somebody please correct me if i am misinformed.

thanks again bro.

oh yea and i have some left over winny what you think about combining that.

sorry for all the ?'s There is just soo much BS out there it's hard to weed through the shit to find people who actually know what they are talking about. When I do I wanna pick their brain lol.

I think IGF IS A BETTER bet for localized healing than Hgh. I would just also add deca and test weekly to aid in the healing process. There are many types of grafts...hamstring, patella tendon, anterior tibialis all from either yourself (autograft) or cadaver (allograft) and the list goes on.

keep in mind an ACL replacement is a big surgery with a long recovery period

Cool man that works out better for me then as far as price goes. Now i just gotta hope my source is still good for gear. Thanks alot man I really appreciate the info.
-JPC-

jonnypcoleman said:

oh yea and i have some left over winny what you think about combining that.

sorry for all the ?'s There is just soo much BS out there it's hard to weed through the shit to find people who actually know what they are talking about. When I do I wanna pick their brain lol.

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To me winny is a bad idea due to the fact it makes joints kind of dry up and get creaky and some people it happens very fast.. Deca for tendon strength / test for muscle strength..Just an FYI .. As for any Bs advice everyone here at Mc respects peoples health and I believe would never lead a person astray plus the secret service Mc reps look over said advice and aren't affraid to click the deleat button..or the banned button.

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To me winny is a bad idea due to the fact it makes joints kind of dry up and get creaky and some people it happens very fast.. Deca for tendon strength / test for muscle strength..Just an FYI .. As for any Bs advice everyone here at Mc respects peoples health and I believe would never lead a person astray plus the secret service Mc reps look over said advice and aren't affraid to click the deleat button..or the banned button.

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Agree winny is a HORRIBLE IDEA


You wont get any BS on this site brutha! And yes the delete button is my Favorit button of all time, lmao

excellent news all around. thanks everyone

no problem daddio