Noobie to the homebrew! help needed

nightterror · Aug 14, 2012

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Okay so I got my hands on some raw powder (20g test-p, 40g NPP, 3grams of masteron-prop) now I'm not trying to make a blend, simply making each of them in 20ml or 10ml vials.

Been reading a lot about homebrewing and so many conflicting things about the supplies I need for all this!

QUESTIONS:
1- If I buy unsterile vials, I would need to wash them in hot soapy water, rinse in hot almost boiling water, rinse in distelled water (temperature doesnt matter?), rinse in alcohol, bake vials by placing them in a pan and into an oven at 350f degrees for 30minuntes (preheated oven??).Vials will stay upside down until they are ready to be filtered with the gear.

Sterile vials of course would come with the rubber stopper so I would only need to purchase
2- a CRIMPER for say FLIP top caps (20mm?) and also I would need flip top cap obviously (20mm).Is a decrimper necessary at all for homebrewing?

3- Should I buy a thermometer to place it in oven to check the degree and as well as when mixing BA/BB/Oil/Powder to check the temp and also stirring using it?
4-Are heat pads required or should I use something like a slow cooker (which could be used in-place of that oven in question 1, correct?)
5- Obviously I would need a good scale, 0.1g vs 0.01g is a huge price jump where I live but if you say 0.01 that's what I will get.
6-What kind of filteration is the EASIEST to use? what exactly is syringe filtering what do I need for this?Just a beaker+?
7-Would it be much better to get a "complete" filteration set like some website around the net,would I need to add anything else to it?
8- Do funnels come into play in any of the homebrewing steps?
9-Are pipettes used for anything in this process to make it easier? (also wtf are they lol) I see little mention of these

Say for example I get sterile vials 10m/20m/100m+2 beakers+slow cooker+syringe filter+syringes and needles (already got these) +crimper for flip top caps and the caps as well+thermometer + sterile oils (yes I know you can filter these I want to make it easier for myself but any advice is more than welcomed! please!) WOULD that be all I need?Would it be THAT much harder than say (what is an easier way that would take less time?from everything I've read about syringe filters is that it can take 45minutes~1 1/2 hours to filter the gear)

Thanks for reading! might have more questions to come for all these vets I want to know what I'm purchasing before anything, and I don't want regrets.Act as if price was not a big issue but if you say the cheaper route is better I'll also go with it.

tripwire · Aug 14, 2012

Is this for personal use? You don't need flip top caps if so. Therefore you don't need crimpers. You can buy vials already sterile with stoppers crimped on, just no flip top. I also think a .1 gram scale will be sufficient.
As some of the other members start waking up, they can answer your other questions.

nightterror · Aug 14, 2012

tripwire said:
Is this for personal use? You don't need flip top caps if so. Therefore you don't need crimpers. You can buy vials already sterile with stoppers crimped on, just no flip top. I also think a .1 gram scale will be sufficient.
As some of the other members start waking up, they can answer your other questions.

Oh I see, although I would've wanted to move around with vials (not interstate or out of the country, like say I'm staying at another place for a week or two and I need a new vial)

I suppose I can just use alcohol wipes to sterilize it just fine.

tripwire · Aug 14, 2012

Correct, the flip tops do not keep them sterile. Only the inside is sterile. Always use alcohol swab every time you use vial, and always use new pin. Never stick used pin in vial. Once you remove a flip top cap, it will not go back on. They are only there so the user knows if the vial has ever been opened before.
Have you done a cycle before?

nightterror · Aug 14, 2012

tripwire said:
Correct, the flip tops do not keep them sterile. Only the inside is sterile. Always use alcohol swab every time you use vial, and always use new pin. Never stick used pin in vial. Once you remove a flip top cap, it will not go back on. They are only there so the user knows if the vial has ever been opened before.
Have you done a cycle before?

Oh yeah I've done three cycles already I know all these steps easily, which is why I headed over to learn more about homebrewing.Seems a lot cheaper and I think my shit was underdosed even though everyone tells me the same brand I used was actually overdosed (75mg ED of tren should NOT feel "normal" unless...bleh I dunno but I'm a short guy 180lbs is a lot of weight on my height but not a lot of weight to handle 75mg ED of tren, or at least not from what I thought from every log/review I've read)

bigghorn · Aug 14, 2012

Brew them all separate .. They won't toss you in slammer goin state to state with one or two vials unless you are dealing other illicit substances because why would they check and see them? It Could me massage oil in the vial for your Johnson. Temp test is to check powder quality and actuality of said product.

tripwire · Aug 14, 2012

Big, I think what he was trying to say is that he needs flip tops to keep the tops clean while he "moves them around" in his bag, underwear drawer or whatever. He was thinking the flip tops go back on the vials to keep them clean.

bigghorn · Aug 14, 2012

tripwire said:
Big, I think what he was trying to say is that he needs flip tops to keep the tops clean while he "moves them around" in his bag, underwear drawer or whatever. He was thinking the flip tops go back on the vials to keep them clean.

Lol...he's done three cycles though? And what's a decrimper? Channellocks or needlenose pliers? Someone need to read more on what they are doing cause this all makes zero sense..

tripwire · Aug 14, 2012

Hey nightterror, what are the guys on the other boards telling you?

nightterror · Aug 14, 2012

No I actually thought I could keep them sealed so nothing would go in at all like little bits of whatever might penetrate the vial if it had no flip top, and when I settle I can pop it open and keep up with my cycle easily.

Haven't had much if any responses at other boards, this seems to be the place for "muscle chemistry" though which is why I came here lol

nightterror · Aug 14, 2012

Okay after researching for like the past 20 hours straight (I'm on scholarship, no work but I get paid anyway

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I will need the following -

1-BA/BB/Oil/Powder (duh these are the essentials for MOST recipes)
2-Syringes, I'll have/already have between 1ml----->100ml
3-Needles
4-Vials, if unsterile I will sterilize them
5-Scale
6-Sterile gloves
7-Glass beaker (can be replaced with pyrex I think??anyone wants to chime in)
8-Glass stirrer (can I use a thermometer here?I'll get a stirrer anyway)
9-Thermometer
10-Alcohol wipes, got lots
11-Brake bleeder pump (whats a really good brand/pump that wouldn't make things break?)
11-Whatman filter or the like with 45mm filling (are paper filters required here?been reading 0.2 is much more sterile than 0.4)
12-Media bottle with 45mm mouth for obvious reasons (filter)
13-cap for media bottle with septa (what's a septa?)

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nightterror · Aug 14, 2012

bigghorn said:
Guialacol solvent sometimes.. Septa is a divider( the rubber stopper)on Vial before the crimp ring .. Small
Pyrex glass measuring cup.. Thicker and cheaper..stir stick can be yes stainless or glass sterilized ..I think any quality auto
Break bleeder pump..(realize it pumps caustic break fluid so it can handle a most anything.. Welcome to
MC nightterror and looks like you got it handled..

Sweet so I'm missing a pyrex glass measuring cup (why do I need this if I have the filter kit thing with everything in it, supposedly?)
And I suppose I'll need to buy rubber stoppers to put on top of the vials (works on media bottles as well, same size?20mm?)
Stir stick has to be sterilized, got it.
break bleeder pump, any recommendations for a good one?I hear some can either break the filter or leak oil from too much pressure applied?
Would it be against the rules of this sub-forum to be asking for a source that carries all the things I would need to conduct my "research"?

bigghorn · Aug 15, 2012

nightterror said:
Sweet so I'm missing a pyrex glass measuring cup (why do I need this if I have the filter kit thing with everything in it, supposedly?)
And I suppose I'll need to buy rubber stoppers to put on top of the vials (works on media bottles as well, same size?20mm?)
Stir stick has to be sterilized, got it.
break bleeder pump, any recommendations for a good one?I hear some can either break the filter or leak oil from too much pressure applied?
Would it be against the rules of this sub-forum to be asking for a source that carries all the things I would need to conduct my "research"?

Didn't know you were getting a kit.skip the Pyrex cup. It's used instead of beaker.. Buy the precrimped sterilized vials unless you are going into production ..medlab supply is where I've heard things are..Don't forget me when you need a trial rat.

nightterror · Aug 15, 2012

bigghorn said:
Didn't know you were getting a kit.skip the Pyrex cup. It's used instead of beaker.. Buy the precrimped sterilized vials unless you are going into production ..medlab supply is where I've heard things are..Don't forget me when you need a trial rat.

So pre-crimped sterilized vials, if you remove the top off you can't crimp another top on.So if I ever need a trial rat I'd need unsterilized vials (which will be sterile during the research) and then do I push a rubber stopper in+crimp it?Wouldn't that be the same as buying an already sterile vial and removing the top then just re-crimping anyway?

Sorry for all the questions just making a HUGE notebook with all the info+recipes about everything.Next year I'm starting chemical engineering (2nd year) so this will definitely come in-handy lol

nightterror · Aug 15, 2012

So if I were to place an order for all the things I would need according to the instructions on gqlabs website, would you happen to know a place that sells out everything I would need for this? (unless this is against the rules of these forums then I'll quickly delete this post)

Mighty49er · Aug 16, 2012

Big just told you buddy. Youre not reading that well.

nightterror · Aug 16, 2012

Yeah because it still doesn't make much sense to me

10ml Clear Sealed Sterile Glass Vial-Green (Qty. 25)
Stir Bar - Magnetic Stick Retreiver Qty. 1
1000ml Wheaton Standard Glass Media Bottle (Qty. 1
600ml Bomex Glass Beaker (Qty. 2)
#8 Bottle Rubber Stopper - No Hole (Qty. 1) do I use this for the media bottle?
100ml Clear Sealed Sterile Glass Vial-Silver (Qty. 1)
1000g Digital Scale with 0.1g accuracy - Flat Table Top scale (Qty. 1)
1000ml Whatman Klari-Flex Complete Filter System - 0.22 Pore Size (Qty. 12)
Hand Vacuum Pump with Pressure Gauge (Qty. 1)
Benzyl Alcohol USP 100ml (3.4oz)
Benzyl Benzoate USP 100ml (3.4oz)
1000ml Filtered Grapeseed USP Oil

Other items that I may buy, but I suppose I dont need them for self-use?
20mm Butyl Rubber Stopper - Gray (Qty. 100)
20mm Flip Top Aluminum Seal - Yellow (Qty. 100)
RLS 10ml Clear Vials (Qty. 300)
20mm Flip Top Clean Room Quality Crimper

Of course I already have pins/syringes/thermometer and latex gloves (just need to get some 60ml syringes I suppose and more 21g or 18g pins)

Should I finalize this?Are there better items I can buy?Is that filter good enough or fast enough to brew the amount of powder i have?I'm brewing the powders separately (100mg/10ml vials for each test-p/npp/masteron-p).Read a lot about recipes and all the mixing but everyone seems to use a different technique when it comes to filters,pumps and beakers/bottles.I know how to sterilize my own things (hopefully lol) by using oven/slow cooker and rinsing with hot soapy water,distilled...etc the rest of the steps till I leave the vials bottoms up on the pan and only turn them up when they're ready to be used

Will gladly take your advise!

Cheers everyone!

bigghorn · Aug 16, 2012

Mighty49er said:
Big just told you buddy. Youre not reading that well.

I'm not sure how he's gonna make thru college..lol..

nightterror · Aug 16, 2012

bigghorn said:
# lol.. #8 stopper is to close off the dam beaker when you heat it up.. And all the 20mm stuff is for capping and sealing a vial AFTER YOU STERIZED AND FILLED IT.. Med LAB SUPPLY FOR ALL YOU ENGINEERING STUDENTS THAT DONT READ WHAT THE TEACHER IS TEACHING. lol. Kidn bro.. I had too say that..
Plus if you have 300 vials wouldn't you want 300crimp rings and stoppers too? You say 200.. Killen me now bro.. What exactly are we gonna engineer after graduation? Lol..

Can you just wash all the vials in ethyl alcohol. (aka.HEET) and then put on tray in oven at 275dg ? Or you can buy a 4500$ autoclave..

Probably would use the autoclave.
Yeah I know that capping/sealing unsterilized vials isn't really needed since Im brewing for myself but I thought I should put it out there (which is why I put something like 300vials just a random number lol)

So I do need that rubber stopper for the beaker.When you say heat it up that's for both the oil solution and when sterilizing it correct?

bigghorn · Aug 16, 2012

nightterror said:
Probably would use the autoclave.
Yeah I know that capping/sealing unsterilized vials isn't really needed since Im brewing for myself but I thought I should put it out there (which is why I put something like 300vials just a random number lol)

So I do need that rubber stopper for the beaker.When you say heat it up that's for both the oil solution and when sterilizing it correct?

You dont really need the stopper.. Its just a preventative to keep things as sterile as possible..and you ALWAYS use sterile vial , stopper, when doing this .. Why take a chance for any health issue.. Heating is up is the melting of the powder with chems before adding the oil and inserting into filter type .. Its pretty self explanatory on that direction sheet you submitted^^^^ btw .. A stopper is probably 2$..

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