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mbstrong
06-13-2002, 10:23 AM
Why is it not good to do long cycles? Let's say 25 weeks. Just wondering the down side from doing it. If you get checked and everything is good of course. These are the test I get done. If there is any others ones let me know.

Hepatic panel- This consists of 7 different liver tests
Urea nitrogen- Kidney
creatinine- Kidney

mbstrong
06-13-2002, 11:37 AM
BUMP

Gear101*
06-13-2002, 11:43 AM
as we both know guys that stay on for longer than normal times.. i'm not one of them but i think the approach that you are taking is right.. i don't think it would harm you but you have to do it under doctors care.. but rember 25 weeks is 6months.. and that's a long time..

Gear101*
06-13-2002, 11:44 AM
here's some info on what to ask your doc when you go in

Most standard blood tests for liver contain SGOT/SGPT. In athletes these values may be elvated solely from training,a gamma glutamyl transferase level(GGT) is the only real test you need as a screen for liver and AAS,the others may be falsely elevated...causing unnecessary concern for you and unnecessary further testing from your Doc. This article gives a concise explanation.

Clin J Sport Med 1999 Jan;9(1):34-9 (ISSN: 1050-642X)
Dickerman RD; Pertusi RM; Zachariah NY; Dufour DR; McConathy WJ
The Department of Biomedical Science, University of North Texas Health Science Center, Fort Worth 76107-2699, USA.
OBJECTIVE: There have been numerous reports of hepatic dysfunction secondary to anabolic steroid use based on elevated levels of serum aminotransferases. This study was conducted to distinguish between serum aminotransaminase elevations secondary to intense resistance training and anabolic steroid-induced hepatotoxicity in elite bodybuilders. DESIGN: This was a case-control study of serum chemistry profiles from bodybuilders using and not using anabolic steroids with comparisons to a cohort of medical students and patients with hepatitis. PARTICIPANTS: The participants were bodybuilders taking self-directed regimens of anabolic steroids (n = 15) and bodybuilders not taking steroids (n = 10). Blood chemistry profiles from patients with viral hepatitis (n = 49) and exercising and nonexercising medical students (592) were used as controls. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: The focus in blood chemistry profiles was aspartate aminotransferase (AST), alanine aminotransferase (ALT), gamma-glutamyltranspeptidase (GGT), and creatine kinase (CK) levels. RESULTS: In both groups of bodybuilders, CK, AST, and ALT were elevated, whereas GGT remained in the normal range. In contrast, patients with hepatitis had elevations of all three enzymes: ALT, AST, and GGT. Creatine kinase (CK) was elevated in all exercising groups. Patients with hepatitis were the only group in which a correlation was found between aminotransferases and GGT. CONCLUSION: Prior reports of anabolic steroid-induced hepatotoxicity based on elevated aminotransferase levels may have been overstated, because no exercising subjects, including steroid users, demonstrated hepatic dysfunction based on GGT levels. Such reports may have misled the medical community to emphasize steroid-induced hepatotoxicity when interpreting elevated aminotransferase levels and disregard muscle damage. For these reasons, when evaluating hepatic function in cases of anabolic steroid therapy or abuse, CK and GGT levels should be considered in addition to ALT and AST levels as essential elements of the assessment.

hard charger
06-13-2002, 11:54 AM
I'm not real big on long cycles myself. I like to bridge.
I have done some reading on 'em. Here was an interesting article posted here a while back. www.animalkits.be -do a search on a thread "cycles for pennies", it's long but interesting.

peewee
06-13-2002, 11:56 AM
How do you guys bring it up with your doc? I want to get him to do some tests but don't really want to admit to using AS. Is there any way around it? Can you just simply ask for the tests and your doc has to do it?

mbstrong
06-13-2002, 11:59 AM
Thanks gear101 I know that it's good to give a break but it's not that large of amounts. This is an example......
week 1-10 eq and T200
week 10-15 tren and prop eod
week 15-25 test enathate for humans and EQ
week 20-25 tren:D :D

By the way the hepatic panel consists of these tests
Alkaline Phoshatase
SGOT
SGPT
Albumin
Total protein
Total Bilirbin
Direct Bilirbin
Inderect Bilirbin

Anybody else have any down falls from a long cycle?

Thanks

mbstrong
06-13-2002, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by peewee
How do you guys bring it up with your doc? I want to get him to do some tests but don't really want to admit to using AS. Is there any way around it? Can you just simply ask for the tests and your doc has to do it?

Just ask your doc for the scripts to get them done. Just tell him you have been drinking and just want to know if your healthy or not. I'm striaght up with my doc. Everything is confrontational with your doc. They can't say shit to the feds or cops.

Auriflex
06-13-2002, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by mbstrong
Anybody else have any down falls from a long cycle?


Cost.

mbstrong
06-13-2002, 12:05 PM
Originally posted by hard charger
I'm not real big on long cycles myself. I like to bridge.
I have done some reading on 'em. Here was an interesting article posted here a while back. www.animalkits.be -do a search on a thread "cycles for pennies", it's long but interesting.

Thanks, I'm going to read it now.

mr456
06-13-2002, 12:05 PM
As long as they are not long HEAVY cycles. I was running nothing more than 50mg of Prop EOD after coming off 10weeks of 80mg of Tren EOD and 150mgProp EOD. I lost NO strength....gained vascularity...and had awesome pumps. I was in my 16th week I believe before the dreaded bastard Chrohns Disease kicked my ass. I think as long as you go moderate in your doseages long cycles are ok. Not to mention a long low dose cycle will yeild a lot of slow but keepable gains. Rather than blow up and lose it all right away...Just my opinion though.........456

mbstrong
06-13-2002, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by Auriflex


Cost.

lol, yeah that to I guess.

mbstrong
06-13-2002, 12:09 PM
That's what I wanted to hear OK,lol. yeah, mr456 that not that high of doses. Also the enthate will be chaged also.

stumpy
06-13-2002, 02:12 PM
clear those receptor sites. what i do is just switch drugs. 5 weeks of this, 5 of that, it keeps the body guessing. well, i hope it does, this is my new experiment. im, well, can't say in the middle of it since it may last forever. lol

boking
06-13-2002, 02:14 PM
the longer you are on , the more you are apt to get side effects, and if you really want to spend thousands on a gyno surgery go for it

mbstrong
06-13-2002, 02:28 PM
hmmmmm interesting, boking why would you get more side effects if you are on longer and the doses don't run that high?


stumpy, thoses drugs will be switched also. The 10 weeks T200 then prop then test enthate 250mg the human shit,lol.

mbstrong
06-13-2002, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by hard charger
I'm not real big on long cycles myself. I like to bridge.
I have done some reading on 'em. Here was an interesting article posted here a while back. www.animalkits.be -do a search on a thread "cycles for pennies", it's long but interesting.

That article was interesting, long but interesting.

mbstrong
06-13-2002, 02:42 PM
5yrs shit that is a long time. Gear was also for a few years and he had no problem. Well I guess we will wait and see........

mr456
06-13-2002, 02:56 PM
MODERATION!!! When i went into the hospital I was still on prop..well i couldn't take ANYTHING...no PROP..NO CLOMID:eek: FOR 8 days. The only sides I had/have are that i broke out on my back/shoulders a bit. And this was after 16 weeks of being "on".

boking
06-13-2002, 04:47 PM
if at all, bridge with low doses

Big Guns
06-26-2002, 07:34 PM
Bump

DecaDent*
06-27-2002, 09:34 AM
On a long cycle make sure you get a cholesterol check that includes your HDL(good) and LDL(bad) levels. You here about these extremely long cycles that wrestlers/pro football players etc do and every now and then its a heart attack at 30years old. There are drugs that can be added to lessen the effects of cholesterol sludge in your arteries when on a long cycle ,if it becomes a problem.

Also its one thing to shut down your natural test,but an added complication to this especially on longer cycles is additional atrophy of the testicles,the smaller they get the harder it is to make your natural test rebound post cycle. If you can't get the natural test up and running then you will not have enuf test to support the additional muscle mass you've worked so hard for and you'll lose alot more of your gains. I like midcycle HCG to minimize the atrophy.

DecaDent*
06-27-2002, 09:36 AM
The main liver test you need is the gamma GT. If you want to add anything to that then add a Total Bilirubin. Those 2 are enuf of a screening test for what you want to know.