Cutting for woman

I am looking for a cutting cycle.  I was told by POPPA to find Sasha.  I am wanting to cut a few percentage points off of my body fat.  I have a consistent diet.  Also, I have an intense workout given to me by my BF, who is a BB.  Please do not suggest steroids or DNP.  Also, please be specific with the dosage amounts in your suggestions.  Thank you very much

Well.....first I would like to say welcome to MC, I hope you enjoy your stay, and tell VDC that we said hello.  
You said you have an intense workout program, I am going to assume that it consists of cardio 4-5 days a week.  I would suggest clen and or T3 either combined or just one or the other.  If you use T3 you need to be careful with it and make sure you ramp the dose, both on and off of it.  Don't go higher than 75 mcg per day...this is how I used it.  
week 1- 25mcg ed
week 2- 50mcg ed
week 3 and 4 - 75mcg ed
week 5- 50 mcg ed
week 6 - 25mcg ed
Or you could do this as a 5 week cycle...just do 75mcg ed for one week instead of 2.

With clen.....try 2 pills the first day.....up this by one pill everyday till it gives you the shakes (this is your tolerance)....use clen for 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off.  On the off weeks use an ECA stack.  

Or you could just start out with plain old ECA if you have not used it before, it works pretty good.

Hope that this helps you out some....Good luck and take care  :biggrin:


(Edited by NAPALM1 at 10:56 am on Sep. 19, 2001)

Thank you very much for the reply.  I think that this site is wonderful.  Especially with the women's Forum.  THAT ROCKS!! My BF had mentioned the T3 cycle and the clen cycle.  Either cycle looks great or the cycles combined (thanx again for the info).  My BF usually supplies me with the info that I need, but he is currently out of town.  My question is about the ECA stack.  Please explain.

Hi Wheeler and welcome to MC.  Glad to know you like this site.  I must agree it does ROCK!!!  There are alot of great people here.  

ECA Stack--

Ephedrine (25mg Ephedrine HCl, 200mg Guaifensin)*
Caffeine (325 mg)
Aspirin (200mg)

*Ephedrine is a bronchodilator and expectorant.  It is used for asthma relief and to help you breath better.  It consists of both active ingredients listed above.  

You take one tab of each.  The combination of the three tablets has a thermogenic effect like Thermadrene, Xenadrine, Hydroxycut and many others.  Personally I think the ECA stack much better than most other products on the market.  I would get great workouts while on it and it helps lean you up like clen.  Best of all you can get it all over-the-counter.

I, Myself only took it once a day, approximately 30mins before my workout.  Others take it more frequently, but once was plenty for me because it really got me going and some nites I'd have a hard time sleeping.  I could tell it helped me loose some fat.  You may want to take it once in the morning and then again before your workout if you train later in the day.  You should see a decrease in your BF%.  Hope this helps....anyone else have any input.

Take Care  FLY



(Edited by Spanishfly at 4:06 pm on Sep. 19, 2001)

Welcome to MC, wheeler. I hope you like it here and stick around, we need more ladies around here. BTW tell VDC i said hello, is he still over at Meso? Anyway to introduce myself. I am Dezir's husband and one of the mods around here. To answer your question an ECA stack is ephedrine/caffiene/aspirin. You can buy ECAs at health food stores and most dept and grocery stores carry them. Xenadrine, ripped fuel, diet fuel and Stacker 2 are a few popular ECA products. Take them as directed on the bottle at least for a while and alter your dosage as needed after a few weeks. There is talk of taking these products off the market so get some soon and try it, chances are we won't be able to buy these products in the future. Good luck and be sure to ask all the questions you want, thats why we are here. Later

Welcome to the board, Wheeler!  

-Deja

Thanx for all the great info.  My BF is back in town and has looked at my post and your site for the first time.  He says that he is very impressed and that the info that all of you supplied is also impressive.  He says it is nice to finally have some knowledgeable people who can supply great advice and actually know what they are talking about.
VDC is still on the meso site, hanging around, and giving great advice.
Thanx again for the info.  Like I said before, I have trained very hard (with cardio 5 times a week) for a long time now, but have never used any drugs/ECA's.  What would you recommend I use first??  I want to cut fat very quickly and look impressive.  I liked the T3 cycle and clen cycle (possible both combined).  Or should I go with just plain ECA??

Wheeler.....honestly, if you have never used an ECA stack before.....then thats what I would start out with.  Since you have never used it before, I think you will like your resluts.  

Good luck to you....and Take care... <!--emo&--><img src="http://musclechemistry.mantisforums.com/IB3/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''><!--endemo-->

I have to agree with Dezir.  I would start off with the ECA stack first.  You should get the results you want.  <!--emo&--><img src="http://musclechemistry.mantisforums.com/IB3/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''><!--endemo-->  Keep us posted on your results.

Bye, FLY

What ECA stack do you women recommend I use?  I realize that there are numerous ECA's, and have read quite a bit about them, but personal results from you women is better than some #### article.
Also, should I just use the recommended dose on the back of the bottle or do you recommend any other doses that would produce better results??
Thanx again for all the help.  I think that it is great that you anwer the questions I have.  Alot of sites call you stupid and tell you to educate yourself better before you ask such stupid questions.  But how in the #### am I going to better educate myself if I don't ask those who are more knowledgeable than I.  I can read article after article (which I have) and I ask my BF (who knows tons about BB), but I want to be knowledgeable myself and become more experienced by using products/substances and learning from all of you women.

I can say, by personal experience that Diet Fuel (made by twin labs) works well, as does Xenadrine and Stacker 2. If i had to choose one of them I would use Stacker 2 personally. I used it once and was very impressed with it. I would start woth the recomended dosage on the label for at least a month and see what kind of results you are getting and alter the dosage accordingly. I usually try and stay at the rcomended dosage as much as possible anyway.
I am glad you like it here. We are not like other boards. We do not flame people that ask legitamate questions. I figure that getting on here and asking questions is part of doing research. Good luck. later

I also like Diet Fuel, it seems to work better than any of the others that I have tried.  I have not tried Stacker 2...but Napalm did get good results from it.  Let us know how things go for you.  <!--emo&--><img src="http://musclechemistry.mantisforums.com/IB3/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''><!--endemo-->

hi wheeler...  sorry took so long ot  reply.. have not been around... ...  <!--emo&--><img src="http://musclechemistry.mantisforums.com/IB3/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''><!--endemo--> ... tell pappa.. i said hi.. (yes he is my adoptive internet father lol... )
you  have never done any eca etc.. then you should try something simple like what they suggested above...  
the only product i  recommend  that is different is  thermadrene...
(just an example why )

hydroxycut
Supplement Facts
Serving Size 4 Capsules

Amount Per Serving %Daily Value

Hydroxagen™(garcinia cambogia) (fruit & rind)
   (supplying 1000 mg Hydroxycitric Acid) 2000 mg  *
 
Guarana Extract (seed)
   (standardized for 22% caffeine)  910 mg

Ma Huang Extract (stem & leaf)
   (standardized for 20 mg ephedra alkaloids) 334 mg
*
Salicin Complex (purple & white willow bark)
   (standardized for 15% salicin) 100 mg
*  
L-Carnitine (as L-carnitine tartrate) 100 mg
*
Chromium (as chromium picolinate) 300 mcg
250 %
                Other Ingredients: gelatin, magnesium stearate, silicon
@&#3630.00 for 60

Stacker 2:
Serving Size: 1 capsules
Servings Per Botle: 100
Proprietary Blend 520mg
Ingredients: Ephedra Extract, Kola Nut Extract (contains caffeine), White Willow Bark, Chromium Picolinate, Di Basic Calcium Phosphate, Stearic Acid, Magnesium Stearate, Activated Carbon, Gelatin, FD&C Yellow #5

&#3625.00 - 29.99  for 100

Nutrition Facts:
Serving Size: 1 capsule
Servings per Container: 60 or 180 caps

What's in Thermadrene?
Serving size: 1 Capsule
Each capsule contains:
Ma Huang (8% extract): 250mg
Guarana Seed (10% extract): 150mg
Caffeine USP: 80mg
Purple Willow Bark: 75mg
Cayenne Pepper: 60mg
Ginger Root: 40mg

Other Ingredients:
Magnesium Stearate.


24.99 for 160 or less.. i get them in  bottles of 60 for 7.99.....

they really are approximatly the same value wise... the stacker i wonder on.... propiortory blend..oh just tell me what's in it..  ... so   me personally price and effect wise (fat burning.) i prefer thermadrene...

welcome to the board. hope you keep coming around..

sasha

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Hello all.  I'm new here and think this board it wicked.  I have been wondering this same thing for quite a while, I come here and find all these great answers right away.  It's awesome.  Anyway, I have never done an ECA, clen, or T3 before, and am going to start with an ECA.  I was wondering if it's better to take the 3 parts individually, or just buy one of the premade goodies out there?  Oh ya, I have taken Hydroxycut before, but had to stop because it makes me feel really REALLY spaced out and anxious.  I could never work out on the stuff, I wouldn't be able to concentrate.  And it did nothing for my energy.  Actually, ephedrine does that to me too.  One ephedrine pill and I've got the shakes.  I'm hoping an ECA won't have those effects.

you'll more than likely experience the same effect or worse with ECA ... it's the same thing as ephedrapills only with caffein and aspirin .. i think maybe the T3 will be in you're best intrest .. virtually no sides .. not that i've noticed anyways ... except that you can fuk up you're thyroid so you have to chew T3 for the rest of you're life .. .. it's an article about T3 in the article section.. check it out ...

btw. welcome to MC ..

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