About to become a human science experiment...

Alright, so once I finish my prison sentence (Military Service) I will be embarking on a long journey to health and happiness. I've currently got a type 2 Rhomboid tear in my back...as well as some rotator cuff issues on the same side (right) that have been keeping me from lifting these last 3 months. The military doctors are complete garbage and prescribe rest/ice/heat/physical therapy and anti inflammatory meds...Well I've been doing that and nothing is changing.


I plan on taking quite a lot of peptides when I get out...some for healing and some for muscle growth.


Here's everything I am going to take:

BPC 157
TB-500
IGF-1 Lr3
GHRP-6
CJC 1295 w/o DAC
MT II
Test (Low dose)
Tren
Caber
DNP (yup..I'm Dumb)
Acutane

maybe a bit of T3 as well (Something like 25-50mcg)

Will be getting Blood work/EKG every couple weeks...and taking BP/body temp every day.


Okay....so most of you guys (especially the vets I imagine) probably think I am completely retarded and going to kill myself. I recognize that this is a possibility and I have decided that the risk is worth it to me. What I'm looking for is some information that can help me ensure I do this "right". Obviously I've already done a huge amount of research on these compounds individually....but I need to try and figure out if there might be any possible drug interactions.

Oh, and I suppose it's worth it to mention that I've already taken Test/Tren/Caber/TB-500/T3/Clen and all I got was a mild case of trensomnia @ 400mg/wk

any and all information will be greatly appreciated. I wont be starting this for about another month (I gotta become a free man first)...I plan on running all of the above compounds for at least 3 months (minus the stuff with max "safe" use dates..like DNP and IGF-1 etc.)...I have the money and no I'm not worried about shutting myself down and needing TRT for life....I know that when I am done I will need TRT anyway, might as well start now (Not worried about the kids thing.....don't really want them and PLENTY of TRT patients have come off with some PCT to start sperm production and made babies...look it up).

Again...thanks for any help!

SHIT THAT IS A statment...i aint got nothing to say here.other than do u realy need to do that..and the whole kid thing..well u never know..i think u have issues u need to deal with much more than a taking AAS to sort it out.
may i ask how u think tren/test is gona help out a Rhomboid tear/rotator cuff .any upper body movement ie chest press shoulder press ect ect is gona impead u in the long run....just think about recovery first..is tren really gona help u with a rotator cuff injury..im not a doctor. so good luck with what u do..plz keep us all informed of your progress

charliebigspuds said:

SHIT THAT IS A statment...i aint got nothing to say here.other than do u realy need to do that..and the whole kid thing..well u never know..i think u have issues u need to deal with much more than a taking AAS to sort it out.
may i ask how u think tren/test is gona help out a Rhomboid tear/rotator cuff .any upper body movement ie chest press shoulder press ect ect is gona impead u in the long run....just think about recovery first..is tren really gona help u with a rotator cuff injury..im not a doctor. so good luck with what u do..plz keep us all informed of your progress

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Test/tren is really just to help fight off muscle wasting while I recover...also I've read that tren actually can make your body produce more IGF on its own (Not sure how reputable though, didn't go into it too much). Once I am back in business I'll double my tren dose from 350 a week to 700 since after roughly 8 weeks of continuous AAS use your body gets used to the dosage and your cycle becomes less effective.

Also, I can still work on my WHEELS which were a little lacking prior to this injury...they are looking pretty good now though.

What I'm really looking for is how long I can "safely" take these drugs @ the dosages I plan on taking. Like DNP for example...if you go the 400mg/day route you aren't supposed to dose passed day 14...but if you go the 200mg/day route you can do it for a full month. Granted I've known really fat guys who have done 600mg/day for 14 days and been fine...as well as guys who taper up and down from 200-600 for 21++ days and don't have any issues...I'm gonna "play it safe" though since I will be taking so many damned compounds. Lets just hope my prostate isn't the size of a baseball field when I'm done.


Oh, and I don't know if you can discuss sources on this forum but if you can...could anyone point me in the right direction of some IGF-1 Lr3 that's legit? Well...I think I have a legit source (Where I get my AAS from) but it's even more expensive than the norm...and since I will need 8mg minimum...well, you guys understand haha.

Perseverance said:

I will be embarking on a long journey to health and happiness.

I have the money and no I'm not worried about shutting myself down and needing TRT for life....I know that when I am done I will need TRT anyway, might as well start now

I think I have a legit source (Where I get my AAS from) but it's even more expensive than the norm...and since I will need 8mg minimum...well, you guys understand haha.

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I really don't have much to say except this is retarded.

Should say I will be embarking on a short journey to Inpatient at the Hospital.

For one, you are contradicting yourself...For two, this is just dumb...I don't even believe any of it..

If I were a MOD I would Ban you for making this your first post.

So far my dosing protocol is going to be the following:


Test: 250mg/wk
Tren: 350mg/wk
Caber: 1mg/wk
TB-500: 4mg/wk for 6 week loading phase, then 2mg EOW

DNP: Start off at 200mg/day for 3-5 days...if I don't have any problems then jump to 400mg/day for 10-14 days........afterwards take 2-3 weeks off before CONSIDERING another cycle of it

CJC-1295 w/o DAC (CJC-1293) + GHRP-6 will be 3 100mcg doses a day, right when I wake up, after workout (I THINK...still need to do more research on what's best food vs drugs post workout), and before bed (for at least 3 months continuous use)

IGF-1 Lr3: Probably going to have to pin early in the morning (1-2 hours before workout) as well as sometime in the afternoon as I will be pinning in the affected area which is the middle of my back.......so I'll have to do it when the person helping isn't at work. I will be splitting 50mcg/pin so 100mcg/day (6 weeks on 6 weeks off 6 weeks on)

MT II, Accutane, and BPC 157 I forgot the dosing protocol already so I'll have to research that again...but this is what I have so far...I'm basically going to treat this as kind of a personal log for me to get all my thoughts together and keep track of everything I'm doing.

Also, if anyone has any input on different dosages then please let me know what you've got and we can determine what will be best for my goals.

Speaking of goals....I should probably tell you all why I am taking the risks I am...Basically I am trying to get as close as I can to the shape I was in prior to this happening a few months back (within a limited timeframe).

Prior stats:

6'2
226
@ 13%bf w/ calipers

Current stats:

6'2
203.8
@ fat as shit I don't even wanna guess

I am going on a 40-50 day long vacation abroad this August/September before I "start" school to become a Pharmacist...I'd like to get back into somewhat of decent shape (I plan on lifting/cycling as well while on vacation just because it's what I love to do).


I realize that I won't be able to get as big with as low of bodyfat but I can at least get to something like 185 @ 12% maybe better as long as I actually heal quickly (Which I should, I would think). To be honest though, I'm not really sure what to expect gains-wise since I really am going to be a science experiment.




UPDATE: Accutane dosage will be 90mg/day *cannot take clen while using accutane* for 15 weeks (Will look at results and decide if another 3-4 weeks of therapy is needed...only have a little acne on my back/shoulders so should be alright)

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WesleyInman said:

I really don't have much to say except this is retarded.

Should say I will be embarking on a short journey to Inpatient at the Hospital.

For one, you are contradicting yourself...For two, this is just dumb...I don't even believe any of it..

If I were a MOD I would Ban you for making this your first post.

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Care to elaborate?

How old are you? You make some pretty broad reaching statements there bro. I've got to echo every ones sentiments on why do you feel the need to do all these things at once and what do you think it will do for you? Are you that impatient that you can't spread these items out over several cycles and make it less harsh on your body? Like others said you are completely contradicting yourself when you say you are trying to embark on a journey of health and happiness neither of which you'll gain from being careless or harmful to yourself. If you want to make progress and are in this for the long haul - not to mention if you want to be a respected board member around here you should take a step back, slow down, and maybe listen to what some of the old timers are telling you. All the drugs in the world are not going to replace hard work, diet, and dedication. We aren't the ones getting in the way of reaching your goals by telling you this idea isn't smart. We are here to help you and the only one getting in the way is you. Piece of advice: Open up your ears and don't get in the way.

Perseverance said:

Speaking of goals....I should probably tell you all why I am taking the risks I am...Basically I am trying to get as close as I can to the shape I was in prior to this happening a few months back (within a limited timeframe).

Prior stats:

6'2
226
@ 13%bf w/ calipers

Current stats:

6'2
203.8
@ fat as shit I don't even wanna guess

I am going on a 40-50 day long vacation abroad this August/September before I "start" school to become a Pharmacist...I'd like to get back into somewhat of decent shape (I plan on lifting/cycling as well while on vacation just because it's what I love to do).


I realize that I won't be able to get as big with as low of bodyfat but I can at least get to something like 185 @ 12% maybe better as long as I actually heal quickly (Which I should, I would think). To be honest though, I'm not really sure what to expect gains-wise since I really am going to be a science experiment.

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seems like you are hardcore but its only been 3 months it sounds like you are young and lack patience (not meant to be insulting)

also seems like there is more going on than you are sharing and this is a very cool board where you can discuss anything so feel free to, tell us how you really feel

I don't understand the not even training to spending a fortune on everything under the sun philosophy.
Start training. Let your injuries heal. Try a little test, clean up your diet and do some M2 to get tan. After a while you can add in some IGF.
Your plan is going to lead to burnout and another failure. It is fun to add things as you progress and change things up to keep it interesting, but success is achieved through intelligent, committed, and safe training and diet. There is only so much progress to be made in 3 months and in my eyes it isn't going to impress anyone. Start being realistic. You're like the guy who goes out and buys a Ducati, before you can balance yourself on a bicycle.

The Dude said:

I don't understand the not even training to spending a fortune on everything under the sun philosophy.
Start training. Let your injuries heal. Try a little test, clean up your diet and do some M2 to get tan. After a while you can add in some IGF.
Your plan is going to lead to burnout and another failure. It is fun to add things as you progress and change things up to keep it interesting, but success is achieved through intelligent, committed, and safe training and diet. There is only so much progress to be made in 3 months and in my eyes it isn't going to impress anyone. Start being realistic. You're like the guy who goes out and buys a Ducati, before you can balance yourself on a bicycle.

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IronJulius said:

seems like you are hardcore but its only been 3 months it sounds like you are young and lack patience (not meant to be insulting)

also seems like there is more going on than you are sharing and this is a very cool board where you can discuss anything so feel free to, tell us how you really feel

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You're right on all accounts. I am young, I do lack patience, and there is more going on than I am sharing. Let me share why I am taking the risks that I'm taking.

Roughly 20 weeks from when I start this protocol I will be traveling abroad for a 6 week vacation. I would like to at least get somewhere near where I was prior to leaving...that is why I lack patience and am taking the risks I am taking.


I know that 99.9% of you are going to tell me that my reasoning for doing this is stupid (How do you tell someone their opinion is stupid, by the way?) and that unless I am going to get a paycheck from this then there is no way I should be doing it. I really don't get this reasoning though...like, on another forum I use there are some vets I know taking more compounds than I plan to and have been blasting for 10 months straight test/deca/tren/mast because they are either pro's or competing to be the strongest man in the world...everyone on that board worships these guys and treats their words as gospel...I really don't think the motive matters if we're doing the same thing, yet everyone will tell me I'm retarded while simultaneously telling those guys that they are incredible...The only thing they have on me is experience....I can assure you I am just as good at reading/retaining information as the next guy.

Oh yeah, and everyone told me not to do tren for my first cycle blah blah blah the sides are hard to handle/grasp/whatever else...........well....I was able to successfully use tren for my first and only cycle and have no issues. Reading bloodwork (including HDL/LDL) isn't hard...especially when you can post the results on forums like these if you have any questions. It's also not hard to take my bp a couple times a day and get an EKG/prostate exam before/after every cycle. Honestly...AAS/research chems are pretty damned safe if you stick to common protocol, actually do the suggested tests, and ensure there aren't any drug interactions with some of the stuff you're taking (Like Accutane for example). The main reason why I think so many vets are so cautious about the young guys doing advanced cycles is because they just truly don't believe that people will take all the necessary precautions. I promise you guys......there is no person on this planet I care about more than me...I'll do the required leg work.

I just wanna add that despite the above text I still do appreciate any/all input you guys give me. Even the people who call me an idiot and then leave the thread...

The Dude said:

I don't understand the not even training to spending a fortune on everything under the sun philosophy.
Start training. Let your injuries heal. Try a little test, clean up your diet and do some M2 to get tan. After a while you can add in some IGF.
Your plan is going to lead to burnout and another failure. It is fun to add things as you progress and change things up to keep it interesting, but success is achieved through intelligent, committed, and safe training and diet. There is only so much progress to be made in 3 months and in my eyes it isn't going to impress anyone. Start being realistic. You're like the guy who goes out and buys a Ducati, before you can balance yourself on a bicycle.

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My diet already went back to what it was starting yesterday...well...minus about 1k calories. Also...Start training? What kind of suggestion is that? Do you understand what a type 2 muscle tear is? Have you ever had one? Just sitting at my computer right now hurts...I wonder how doing some military presses would feel.....jesus. I'm doing everything I can...physical therapy, ice, heat, rest, anti inflammatory meds...training through injuries is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard someone suggest to me. Oh, and what do you mean by "my plan will lead to another burnout and another failure" are you suggesting that I will injure myself again? Because Besides hiring a personal trainer while doing this (Yup...paying someone to spot me and check my form...easy life for them) I won't be lifting heavy at all...not even close. All I'm gonna do is make sure I get a good squeeze and have perfect form...even lifting at only 70% my max reps each lift + all the gear I'll be running will give me phenomenal gains. If you have a hard time believing that then feel free to look up the well known test E human study where researchers gave 2 study groups 300mg/wk of test and 600mg/wk of test while they did zero strength training. I believe the 600mg/wk of test group gained something like 3.7kg of fat free mass over 16 weeks? It's been a good six months since I read it so the numbers may not be 100% but I think you get my point...

No use guys. This guy knows it all. Sorry to be harsh but why dont you give us currant and after pics? Prove us all wrong.
Prove your right so we can learn from it. I dont want to give my advice as I only have been around this life for almost 40 years.
I am serious about the currant and after pics. It might even give you better incentive to keep true to your plan. I love to learn,
even after all this time. Prove us wrong.

mcgaret said:

No use guys. This guy knows it all. Sorry to be harsh but why dont you give us currant and after pics? Prove us all wrong.
Prove your right so we can learn from it. I dont want to give my advice as I only have been around this life for almost 40 years.
I am serious about the currant and after pics. It might even give you better incentive to keep true to your plan. I love to learn,
even after all this time. Prove us wrong.

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I'll do before and after pics no prob

I'm going to use the bodpod before and after as well so I'll have some pretty accurate data for you.

i see you are very knowledgeable just young/hard headed what are we suppose to do you are new to the board and bring this shit. when you get my age i hope you do the same and try to beat into young mens heads your thoughts, concerns and experience.

id like to see a log to keep tabs on ur crazy ass

IronJulius said:

id like to see a log to keep tabs on ur crazy ass

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Definitly. It will be good for you too.

Perseverance said:

My diet already went back to what it was starting yesterday...well...minus about 1k calories. Also...Start training? What kind of suggestion is that? Do you understand what a type 2 muscle tear is? Have you ever had one? Just sitting at my computer right now hurts...I wonder how doing some military presses would feel.....jesus. I'm doing everything I can...physical therapy, ice, heat, rest, anti inflammatory meds...training through injuries is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard someone suggest to me. Oh, and what do you mean by "my plan will lead to another burnout and another failure" are you suggesting that I will injure myself again? Because Besides hiring a personal trainer while doing this (Yup...paying someone to spot me and check my form...easy life for them) I won't be lifting heavy at all...not even close. All I'm gonna do is make sure I get a good squeeze and have perfect form...even lifting at only 70% my max reps each lift + all the gear I'll be running will give me phenomenal gains. If you have a hard time believing that then feel free to look up the well known test E human study where researchers gave 2 study groups 300mg/wk of test and 600mg/wk of test while they did zero strength training. I believe the 600mg/wk of test group gained something like 3.7kg of fat free mass over 16 weeks? It's been a good six months since I read it so the numbers may not be 100% but I think you get my point...

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Man you just don't get it... Drugs alone do nothing. Seen any pics of the study members? What about the hundreds of studies that show steroids don't work. About the "type 2 muscle tears". I've had all of them. Partials, full tears, and complete ruptures. I trained quads with a pec rupture and I trained quads with a bicep rupture. My physique speaks to my knowledge and expertise. It's your money and your body. This is totally futile. I've seen guys that take all kinds of stuff and think of themselves as "science experiments". They look worse than the Abercrombie kids that don't train at all and spend an hour a day on their hair. They also don't do as well as the Abercrombie kids with girls.
Your entire post and mindset stinks of ignorance.
To sum it up.
- you don't train now
- you have an injury
- your going to take as many performance enhancing drugs as you can afford
- you are doing it for a vacation in a few months
That's a pretty common recipe for disaster

IronJulius said:

i see you are very knowledgeable just young/hard headed what are we suppose to do you are new to the board and bring this shit. when you get my age i hope you do the same and try to beat into young mens heads your thoughts, concerns and experience.

id like to see a log to keep tabs on ur crazy ass

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Yeah, I get it...and actually one of the main reasons I posted this thread in the first place was to keep track of all my dosages/injection times/feelings etc.

I also have decided (Depending on how much of a pain it is to get an appointment) that I will be doing the bodpod before I start DNP as well as a week after I stop...just to see how much actual fat I lost from it and if I lost any significant LBM...might be useful for some of you DNP fans out there.

Oh, and does anyone have recommended dosages for BPC 157? I've only found one thing online so I'd kind of like to cross-check the information.

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The Dude said:

Man you just don't get it... Drugs alone do nothing. Seen any pics of the study members? What about the hundreds of studies that show steroids don't work. About the "type 2 muscle tears". I've had all of them. Partials, full tears, and complete ruptures. I trained quads with a pec rupture and I trained quads with a bicep rupture. My physique speaks to my knowledge and expertise. It's your money and your body. This is totally futile. I've seen guys that take all kinds of stuff and think of themselves as "science experiments". They look worse than the Abercrombie kids that don't train at all and spend an hour a day on their hair. They also don't do as well as the Abercrombie kids with girls.
Your entire post and mindset stinks of ignorance.
To sum it up.
- you don't train now
- you have an injury
- your going to take as many performance enhancing drugs as you can afford
- you are doing it for a vacation in a few months
That's a pretty common recipe for disaster

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Well I'm sorry you feel that way...but I think I'm finished trying to validate myself in your eyes now lol...That's not what I made this thread for. I made this thread so I can keep myself alive.

Perseverance said:

Well I'm sorry you feel that way...but I think I'm finished trying to validate myself in your eyes now lol...That's not what I made this thread for. I made this thread so I can keep myself alive.

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The Dude and everyone here are good people trying to help you!! The only one so far who is not, is me...

Only because I seriously think this is all made up. There is more Drama here then a Danielle Steele novel. (wasn't SupermanPC on the cover of one of those books in all seriousness MC VETS?) Now I've never read one, but I'm just assuming it would have the same plot and comedic value that I am experiencing.:lurk:

That's not what I made this thread for. I made this thread so I can keep myself alive. :drooling::drooling::drooling:
:dizzy: ROFLMAO..oh the dramatic twists here! Reminds me of every ex I have ever broken up with.."If you leave me, I'm killing myself".....next day they're banging a new guy...

Preserverance is your name, and that is what you will do.

If this isn't complete bs then it will probably end in disaster. Another example of the instant gratification gerneration....sad