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Shredded
06-27-2002, 08:21 AM
K, who out there front loads? In ten years of doing this, this is the first time that I've ever heard of it. (saw it mentioned in a post, can't remember who's though). My trainer, who just got his pro card, does not do it and looked at me like I was stupid when I mentioned it. Is this just to get a very high level into the blood stream as quickly as possible? We have always gone by the rule, use as small a dose as possible to get the results that you want. Each time usually requiring more then before to get the desired results. If you start with such a high dose, don't you just need that much more next time? I admit it sounded interesting. Clear me up on this.
Thanks,
Shredded

Explosive
06-27-2002, 08:31 AM
I have tried it and dont like it, only thing I can see a reason to front load might be sust or omna, to take advantage of the fast acting ester, while waiting for the others to kick in, a good way to avoid orals for jump starting the cycle. I will never understand for the life of me why people frontload shit like deca and Eq.

Oh well what ever works, everyone is diff and reacts diff.

Ex

DecaDent*
06-27-2002, 08:43 AM
Frontloading test will get the levels up to a "therapeutic" level so much quicker that you'll get more gains and certianly more intenstity early on. Think of the pharmacokenetics of the particular test your using,lets say Sust. Well with only 30mg of Prop/cc compared to the concentrations of the longer 1/2 life ester components in Sust,you can see why the levels don't kick until the 3-4th week as the additive effects of the longer 1/2 life esters are released into your blood to complement the prop component.
If you instead add a larger amt of Prop than 30mg,lets say a front load of 300mg EODx3,the test levels rise more quicky and then can be further sustained by the slower releasing longer carbon chained esters in the Sust. Another enhancement is to aslo frontload extra Sust with the Prop so that the levels stay more even over the 1st few weeks,so say 600-900mg Sust EODx 2,in addition to the Prop frontload of 300mg EODx3. Then you jump right into your regular cycle and sustain these higher levels.
That's how and why I do it, and I love it. :D

Explosive
06-27-2002, 08:51 AM
I agree with you on that decadent but why do people frontload things like deca and eq

Ex

hard charger
06-27-2002, 09:27 AM
I,ve done it and it's o.k. but there are alot of mixed reviews on it.
Some say do it, some say you don't need it. I guess it's all in the preference.

Shredded
06-27-2002, 09:57 AM
K, what about side effects. You're talking to someone that went to the doctor yesterday to get put on Proscar to stop my thinning hair. Too much Halotestin cutting up before shows. I was successfull, got my scrip filled, but not before having her look me up and down and say do you need the steroid lecture. :-) The Proscar will stop the DHT conversion for Test but not for Anadrol or Dianabol. So, for a while, I am on proscar, got enough for 2 years and Nisoral shampoo for a while until it thickens back up (hopefully) or I have to shave what is left off. And I guess, I am going to stick to Test and Nandrolone and maybe some Anavar.

hard charger
06-27-2002, 10:06 AM
Haven't had the hair loss problem so I'm not any help there.
I know running tren and test is making me grow hair in strange places unlike other cycles. Must be the tren.

mbstrong
06-27-2002, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by hard charger
Haven't had the hair loss problem so I'm not any help there.
I know running tren and test is making me grow hair in strange places unlike other cycles. Must be the tren.


How much tren are you on?????

mbstrong
06-27-2002, 10:42 AM
Also did the frontload but I like doing d-bol better. It all depends on your body.

Shredded
06-27-2002, 10:51 AM
You know that the Tren will thin the hair too. I have eight bottles that I converted that are going to have to sit for a while. I keep trying to convince myself that I will look ok bald, but I look pretty good with hair. And not to offend anyone, but the bald on top with hair all around or the comb over will not look good on stage.
:-)

hard charger
06-27-2002, 11:09 AM
70mg p/d (1st 2 wks was 120mg eod)w/500 mg prop pw. Have about a week and half left (out of 8 wk cycle)w/ decent gains. No hair loss problems. I know d-bol and decca cause hair loss but fina too?

DecaDent*
06-27-2002, 11:12 AM
Originally posted by Explosive
I agree with you on that decadent but why do people frontload things like deca and eq

Ex

I guess they are jus dumb asses,lol

BStrongBwell*
06-27-2002, 09:05 PM
Originally posted by DecaDent*


I guess they are jus dumb asses,lol

LOL...IMO, frontloading is just to speed up results when using the longer chain esters. OK, so I have frontloaded prop before, and I have to say I felt pretty jacked! But, you're right, it's not really necessary in order to get great results. shredded, sorry to hear about the hair loss prob. That's actually an enzymatic issue. Some guys have more of the enzyme responsible for converting to DHT than others. You could always go the shaved head and goatee route...that's more and more popular and looks cool on more than just brothers IMO!

NAPALM1
06-29-2002, 12:14 AM
I front load 500mg of test per day, for 10 days before every bulking cycle, and it works well. It gets your strength up, which helps build muscle during your cycle. Just because you front load, it doesn't mean you shouldn't use Dbol or Anadrol either. I use one of them at the beginning of every cycle for 4 weeks. Frontloading should be done in a mannor to get your test levels extremely high during the weeks of a cycle that produce optimum gains, usually weeks 3-6. So, front loading enth and cyp are your best choices, then use prop, susp or sust during your cycle. Do not front load without using anti Es every day, and have a lot of Arima and Nolva on hand in case you need to up the dose. Front loading anything but test is a waste of time and money, and does not yield very good gains at all. Later