Desoxymethyltestosterone (Pheraplex, DMT, Madol)

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[h=2]Desoxymethyltestosterone (Pheraplex, DMT, Madol)[/h]
Chemical Name(s):
17a-methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol
17a-methyl-5a-androst-2-ene-17b-ol

Chemical Formula:
C20H32O

Molecular Weight:
288

CAS:
NA

Q Qatio:
6.5

Anabolic #:
1200

Androgenic #:
187

Oral Bioavailability:
Estimated at 40%

AR Binding Affinity:
NA

SHBG Binding Affinity:
NA

Half Life:
~9 hours

Legal Status (US):
Listed as a controlled substance

Average Dose:
40-60mg/day standalone
10-30mg/day when stacked

Average Cycle Length:
4 weeks

Ratings (On Scale of -5 to +5):

Muscle Gain: +4
Strength Gain: +3
Fat Gain (Negative Indicates Fat loss): +1
Water Retention: +2
Aggression: +2
Libido: 0
Acne: +1
Hair Loss: +1
Prostate Enlargement: +1
Liver Toxicity: +3
Lethargy +2

Characteristics

Desoxymethyltestosterone (DMT) is a 17aa steroid with equal toxicity as other 17aa oral steroids. While nearly all anabolic steroid molecules have a 3-keto group, Desoxymethyltestosterone lacks it, and has a 2-ene structure. This compound is readily active and does not require conversion.

DMT does not aromatize, nor does it appear to have any progestational activity, yet some users still experience gyno symptoms and bloat from this compound. This is likely related to the lack of androgenic potency from this compound (to antagonize the effect of estrogen). DMT may also contribute to gyno by displacing estrogen (and testosterone) from SHBG. It has also been proposed that DMT can inhibit 11b-hydroxylase and thus increase intracellular sodium and water retention by building up mineralcorticoid levels.

Depending on where you look, DMT has been reported to be 2-12 times more anabolic and 0.4-2 times as androgenic as methyltestosterone. It has been proposed that DMT is a naturally occurring substance because it has an almost identical structure to delta 2-androstenol, a naturally occurring pheromone in mammals. However, being a 17aa steroid hormone makes it synthetically altered and not naturally occurring. Either way, it is now a controlled substance in the United States.

Users should expect significant strength increases, weight gain, and bloat. Weight gains upwards of 20lbs in 4-6 weeks are not unheard of with this compound. The most obvious physical side effects will be strong muscular pumps, shortness of breath, high blood pressure, oily skin, and bloating. If users wanted to minimize toxic effect on the liver or other side effects, DMT could be used at doses as low as 10mg/day for a decent effect.

Being that this compound is methylated, it should not be stacked with other methylated compounds. Having moderately low androgenic activity, DMT may negatively affect the libido and erectile function. This side effect could be offset by stacking DMT with testosterone or one of its non-aromatizing metabolites to preserve DHT levels.

Common Clones:

P-Plex by Competitive Edge Labs (CEL)
Phera-Plex by Anabolic Xtreme
Nasty Mass by Purus Labs
Phera-VOL by Engineered Sports Technology (EST)
PheraFLEX by IForce
D-Stianozol by Nutracoastal
Pheradrol by PH Design
P-Max by Growth Labs
Phera-MAX by Generic Labs
Phera-BOL by Juggernaut Nutrition
Phera-Mass by Kilo Sports
Straight Phlexed by Black China Labs

References


“Characterisation of the pharmacological profile of desoxymethyltestosterone (Madol), a steroid misused for doping”

P. Diel, A. Friedel, H. Geyer, M. Kamber, U. Laudenbach-Leschowsky, W. Schänzer, M.
Thevis, G. Vollmer and O. Zierau
Toxicology Letters; Volume 169, Issue 1, 28 February 2007, Pages 64-71​
 
Desoxymethyltestosterone (Pheraplex, DMT, Madol)

Chemical Name(s):
17a-methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol
17a-methyl-5a-androst-2-ene-17b-ol

Chemical Formula:
C20H32O

Molecular Weight:
288

CAS:
NA

Q Qatio:
6.5

Anabolic #:
1200

Androgenic #:
187

Oral Bioavailability:
Estimated at 40%

AR Binding Affinity:
NA

SHBG Binding Affinity:
NA

Half Life:
~9 hours

Legal Status (US):
Listed as a controlled substance

Average Dose:
40-60mg/day standalone
10-30mg/day when stacked

Average Cycle Length:
4 weeks

Ratings (On Scale of -5 to +5):

Muscle Gain: +4
Strength Gain: +3
Fat Gain (Negative Indicates Fat loss): +1
Water Retention: +2
Aggression: +2
Libido: 0
Acne: +1
Hair Loss: +1
Prostate Enlargement: +1
Liver Toxicity: +3
Lethargy +2

Characteristics

Desoxymethyltestosterone (DMT) is a 17aa steroid with equal toxicity as other 17aa oral steroids. While nearly all anabolic steroid molecules have a 3-keto group, Desoxymethyltestosterone lacks it, and has a 2-ene structure. This compound is readily active and does not require conversion.

DMT does not aromatize, nor does it appear to have any progestational activity, yet some users still experience gyno symptoms and bloat from this compound. This is likely related to the lack of androgenic potency from this compound (to antagonize the effect of estrogen). DMT may also contribute to gyno by displacing estrogen (and testosterone) from SHBG. It has also been proposed that DMT can inhibit 11b-hydroxylase and thus increase intracellular sodium and water retention by building up mineralcorticoid levels.

Depending on where you look, DMT has been reported to be 2-12 times more anabolic and 0.4-2 times as androgenic as methyltestosterone. It has been proposed that DMT is a naturally occurring substance because it has an almost identical structure to delta 2-androstenol, a naturally occurring pheromone in mammals. However, being a 17aa steroid hormone makes it synthetically altered and not naturally occurring. Either way, it is now a controlled substance in the United States.

Users should expect significant strength increases, weight gain, and bloat. Weight gains upwards of 20lbs in 4-6 weeks are not unheard of with this compound. The most obvious physical side effects will be strong muscular pumps, shortness of breath, high blood pressure, oily skin, and bloating. If users wanted to minimize toxic effect on the liver or other side effects, DMT could be used at doses as low as 10mg/day for a decent effect.

Being that this compound is methylated, it should not be stacked with other methylated compounds. Having moderately low androgenic activity, DMT may negatively affect the libido and erectile function. This side effect could be offset by stacking DMT with testosterone or one of its non-aromatizing metabolites to preserve DHT levels.

Common Clones:

P-Plex by Competitive Edge Labs (CEL)
Phera-Plex by Anabolic Xtreme
Nasty Mass by Purus Labs
Phera-VOL by Engineered Sports Technology (EST)
PheraFLEX by IForce
D-Stianozol by Nutracoastal
Pheradrol by PH Design
P-Max by Growth Labs
Phera-MAX by Generic Labs
Phera-BOL by Juggernaut Nutrition
Phera-Mass by Kilo Sports
Straight Phlexed by Black China Labs

References


“Characterisation of the pharmacological profile of desoxymethyltestosterone (Madol), a steroid misused for doping”

P. Diel, A. Friedel, H. Geyer, M. Kamber, U. Laudenbach-Leschowsky, W. Schänzer, M.
Thevis, G. Vollmer and O. Zierau
Toxicology Letters; Volume 169, Issue 1, 28 February 2007, Pages 64-71​




------------------------------------DMT QUESTION--------------

Hello,
ive been involved in bodybuilding since the late 80s early 90s. Im getting old and i have genetically higher blood pressure,not too mention have used (prior to 1991) AAS. I just started working out again and my gym sold me a bottle of "PRO HORMONE" by a company AAS-MASSIVE COMPLEX. I couldnt find much info and i havent been up to date on prohormones since androstendione/19-NOR....i broke my back and havent worked put in gym in years and didnt realize some compounds are now illegal. I had no idea since i dont read the STEROID rags,since its all marketing hype anyway.

Anyway this company AAS and the bottle says MASSIVE COMPLEX,green capsules and i want to know how toxic this stuff is and if its worth taking? Im almost 40yrs old and i need a little hormonal assistance yet i dont want to go back on.

Can anyone tell me what all these ingredients are and if i seriously need to tAke an estrogen block with just this prohormone? Saw palmetto or chrysin? Some people ive read said real deal estrogen blockers like this is a potent AAS (not to be confused with the company AAS which im questioning the product MASSIVE COMPLEX).


Anyone take this MASSIVE COMPLEX by AAS,what dosage,your age,etc??

Thank you-
 
------------------------------------DMT QUESTION--------------

Hello,
ive been involved in bodybuilding since the late 80s early 90s. Im getting old and i have genetically higher blood pressure,not too mention have used (prior to 1991) AAS. I just started working out again and my gym sold me a bottle of "PRO HORMONE" by a company AAS-MASSIVE COMPLEX. I couldnt find much info and i havent been up to date on prohormones since androstendione/19-NOR....i broke my back and havent worked put in gym in years and didnt realize some compounds are now illegal. I had no idea since i dont read the STEROID rags,since its all marketing hype anyway.

Anyway this company AAS and the bottle says MASSIVE COMPLEX,green capsules and i want to know how toxic this stuff is and if its worth taking? Im almost 40yrs old and i need a little hormonal assistance yet i dont want to go back on.

Can anyone tell me what all these ingredients are and if i seriously need to tAke an estrogen block with just this prohormone? Saw palmetto or chrysin? Some people ive read said real deal estrogen blockers like this is a potent AAS (not to be confused with the company AAS which im questioning the product MASSIVE COMPLEX).


Anyone take this MASSIVE COMPLEX by AAS,what dosage,your age,etc??

Thank you-

So from my research I found this.

Blend as follows:
13-ethyl-3-methaxy-gona-2,5
(10)-diene-17-one........25mg


4 Chloro-17a-methyl-a-androst-
1-4diene-3b, 17b-diol........20mg


2, 17a-dimethyl-5a-androsta-
1en-17b-ol-3one............5mg


The first one is max lmg.
I have no experience with this.
it is not methyl.
wet compound, so estro issues, but helps with joints

the second is halo.
Methyl. Liver issues. need tudca
Prohomone to t-bol
dry. Lean gains.
not very strong.
needs to be run 6-8 weeks.
bc it takes time to build up in the body.

the third is msten.
similar to superdrol.
methyl. Liver issues. Need tudca
4-6 weeks max.

Effective doses for halo are 75 mg min.
Msten shouldn't be run higher than 20-30 mg for more than 4 weeks.
Max Lmg needs high doses. But is really acting as an ancillary here.

if you are set on using this product then I would pick up some extra halo/hdrol and use this bottle until it runs out then add halo for 6-8 total weeks.

You need proper pct.

Test base is highly recommended as these products will shut down natural test production.
 
Massive complex by AAS

So from my research I found this.

Blend as follows:
13-ethyl-3-methaxy-gona-2,5
(10)-diene-17-one........25mg


4 Chloro-17a-methyl-a-androst-
1-4diene-3b, 17b-diol........20mg


2, 17a-dimethyl-5a-androsta-
1en-17b-ol-3one............5mg


The first one is max lmg.
I have no experience with this.
it is not methyl.
wet compound, so estro issues, but helps with joints

the second is halo.
Methyl. Liver issues. need tudca
Prohomone to t-bol
dry. Lean gains.
not very strong.
needs to be run 6-8 weeks.
bc it takes time to build up in the body.

the third is msten.
similar to superdrol.
methyl. Liver issues. Need tudca
4-6 weeks max.

Effective doses for halo are 75 mg min.
Msten shouldn't be run higher than 20-30 mg for more than 4 weeks.
Max Lmg needs high doses. But is really acting as an ancillary here.

if you are set on using this product then I would pick up some extra halo/hdrol and use this bottle until it runs out then add halo for 6-8 total weeks.

You need proper pct.

Test base is highly recommended as these products will shut down natural test production.





HELLO,
PCT for an over the counter PH? I mean really? Ive taken FINAPLEX and cheq-tabs back in the day and only took homeopathic liver cleansers (sillymarin (dandelion) and "tarazaxum"? SP?)
whats the point of biying these over the counter if i need to get clomid,noveldex,HCG,proviron? I was trying to do this kind of naturally with a little boost since im approaching 40yrs old.
i believe what you say, the only thing i dont know is what the heck is "TUDCA" a liver cleanse? What can i pick up in GNC or vitamin shoppe to help with liver and to stiulate LH and natural T for PCT,i dont wanna take "GEAR" hence the reason i went this route. Is there a way i can stay over the counter? Im kind of pissed had i known these were so LIVER TOXIC. I dont drink alcohol at all so im not worried but im wondering about stacking,i only have a week or two left..i bought bottle 60caps been taking two a day at once in morning the 13-ETHYL 50mg daily the second 4-chloro 40mg daily and the third compound 2,17a-(10mg) daily.
so what should i hurry up and stack with this before i run out and what PCT and liver detox/cleanse O.T.C.?

I just checked and i actually have about half -30caps left so two weeks,what would be my best course of action. Im 230lbs and been only working out 6 weeks and abs are coming out already,6-8meals a day low glycemic index carbs and high protein mostly,high glycemic before leg days..etc
i feel so strong on this stuff and its been only been two weeks on and a month total at gym after a long lay off.

Please help me with this PCT and getting my natural LH &T levels and whatever that TUDCA is..
Thank you
-soon to be MASTERS competitor

I just looked up TUDCA,good looking out..wow things have changed since i was into BBing in the 1990s...my liver cant handle without TUDCA or is it just a good idea like noveldex was to make sure you didnt get gyno if T aromitized?? I really am interested in doing it right,i didnt know these are more than PH and more designer AAS that never made it commercially. I want to just get my foundation back in the gym..what can i stack with this safely? I dont know how my ALT and AST liver enzymes are right now,but ive only taken like 30 caps of this MASSIVE COMPLEX so i cant imagine compared to the reforvet-b,finaplex,etc back in the days when it was legal that this stuff can be much worse......you have me a bit worried.i take animal pak and creatine daily.i know the milk thistle isnt enought but can you send me a link to what i need to buy ASAP PLEASE.

1) PCt/SERM,name and link to buy please,i dont mind paying more for quality so give me the good stuff and what to stack safely with what im taking.


Also is this stuff still legal?? I read DMT wasnt really legal in 2014-
 
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HELLO,
PCT for an over the counter PH? I mean really? Ive taken FINAPLEX and cheq-tabs back in the day and only took homeopathic liver cleansers (sillymarin (dandelion) and "tarazaxum"? SP?)
whats the point of biying these over the counter if i need to get clomid,noveldex,HCG,proviron?

the point is you don't go to jail or have the cops bust down your door for using them brutha lol, thats the point! and welcome to MC!!
 
HELLO,
PCT for an over the counter PH? I mean really? Ive taken FINAPLEX and cheq-tabs back in the day and only took homeopathic liver cleansers (sillymarin (dandelion) and "tarazaxum"? SP?)
whats the point of biying these over the counter if i need to get clomid,noveldex,HCG,proviron? I was trying to do this kind of naturally with a little boost since im approaching 40yrs old.
i believe what you say, the only thing i dont know is what the heck is "TUDCA" a liver cleanse? What can i pick up in GNC or vitamin shoppe to help with liver and to stiulate LH and natural T for PCT,i dont wanna take "GEAR" hence the reason i went this route. Is there a way i can stay over the counter? Im kind of pissed had i known these were so LIVER TOXIC. I dont drink alcohol at all so im not worried but im wondering about stacking,i only have a week or two left..i bought bottle 60caps been taking two a day at once in morning the 13-ETHYL 50mg daily the second 4-chloro 40mg daily and the third compound 2,17a-(10mg) daily.
so what should i hurry up and stack with this before i run out and what PCT and liver detox/cleanse O.T.C.?

I just checked and i actually have about half -30caps left so two weeks,what would be my best course of action. Im 230lbs and been only working out 6 weeks and abs are coming out already,6-8meals a day low glycemic index carbs and high protein mostly,high glycemic before leg days..etc
i feel so strong on this stuff and its been only been two weeks on and a month total at gym after a long lay off.

Please help me with this PCT and getting my natural LH &T levels and whatever that TUDCA is..
Thank you
-soon to be MASTERS competitor

I just looked up TUDCA,good looking out..wow things have changed since i was into BBing in the 1990s...my liver cant handle without TUDCA or is it just a good idea like noveldex was to make sure you didnt get gyno if T aromitized?? I really am interested in doing it right,i didnt know these are more than PH and more designer AAS that never made it commercially. I want to just get my foundation back in the gym..what can i stack with this safely? I dont know how my ALT and AST liver enzymes are right now,but ive only taken like 30 caps of this MASSIVE COMPLEX so i cant imagine compared to the reforvet-b,finaplex,etc back in the days when it was legal that this stuff can be much worse......you have me a bit worried.i take animal pak and creatine daily.i know the milk thistle isnt enought but can you send me a link to what i need to buy ASAP PLEASE.

1) PCt/SERM,name and link to buy please,i dont mind paying more for quality so give me the good stuff and what to stack safely with what im taking.


Also is this stuff still legal?? I read DMT wasnt really legal in 2014-

There is no DMT in there.
DMT is illegal.

What most people fail to realize is that these are designer steroids more than prohormone. Halo/hdrol is a prohormone to Turnibol which is why the suggestion of 75mgs min. You want it to build up.

MSten is a orally active prosteroid. At 10 mg this compound will kick in fast and should be pretty much all your getting out of this cycle.. Even at low dose this is a powerful compound.

you asked about support Supps.
to be safe tudca is recommended for all orals. especially 17a
Udca is the pharma version of tudca and considered best
tudca is legal (and all orals in your pill are as well)
NAC is next best option and sold at the pharmacies OTC
Milk Thistle helps but does not heal

as for pct...
PHs shut down natural test production
this causes some symptoms of low t while on cycle
With out pct a healthy male will recover naturally
but pct will aid in the process and should make you feel better
understand when you come off cycle, you no longer have those chems in your body and low t you want to get back to normal as fast as possible
research pct for ph/ds

it is recommended that you stay off cycle until the length of your cycle + pct
unless you have access to more halo today I would say source pct materials
run this cycle for the 30 days you had planned
run pct
rest 60 days from aas

it is your body and really up to you

i can help you decide on your next one depending on goals
there are some really interesting legal compounds available to you
 
I understand PCT,i used to live in AZ/MEXICO and took HCG and proviron,noveldex/clomid during and after,i was very safe,hell im 38yrs old and havent dont a cycle in over 15years. 110% clean..

My goal is to try and train the closest to natural using whats legal,as far as the police comment that isnt a concern,if someone wants to dosoething they can find access to it,im no exception.

However i would like to use whats legal and whats non-detectable from a natural MASTERS or novice show standpoint.just whatever others are doing.

1) so right now ill buy the PCT TUCA asap.
2) what did you say to stack,H-DROL? Why do these all sound like the names of real stuff i took in the 1990s? I went to a vitamin shoppe and was wondering why there is a clomid and noveldex but spelled wrong. Now i understand its for designer AAS that are hepatoxic.

So give me what i need to take, name of product and a link would be great. That TUCA and what other compound to stack with what im taking "MASSIVE COMPLEX" by AAS...this shit works 110% ive taken real AAS in the 1990s and let me tell you i worked out naturally and after taking this stuff i feel way harder and look harder and im much stronger in one month. I have two weeks left on this "MASSIVE COMPLEX" what should i take with this,granted i take a liver cleanse TUCA with it.

Also whats the deal with these LEGAL compounds,do they show up if i piss for a natty show? The polygraph is a heart rate and sweat test its bullshit i can pass with a thumb tack in my shoe andhave done it many times. I just wanna get down to 212lbs at 7-9% for a masters or novice show. My quads are still big and my hamstring sweep is coming back.

Help me out.

Thank you

-the old man muscle
 
the point is you don't go to jail or have the cops bust down your door for using them brutha lol, thats the point! and welcome to MC!!

Hypothetically if there was a website called PHARMGROUP back in the 1990s that delivered to any address with a western union, there was no way for LEO to catch them being mailed...many UFC vets and a champ,may or may not have referred SWIM to that site years ago when they were 240lbs at 7%. back when ready jects by organon with the bigass 18guage were still around.
Its a different world no and people are getting sick and infections,plus my liver and my joints from motocross and jiu-jitsu cant take that stuff. I want to try this legal stuff but want to do it right. I got a year and half before im 40 and want to do a masters over 40+ show to celebrate me getting old.

Thanks bros

Well i cant figure out this ipad and how to post pics..

Also i posted on BBing forum and some guys there are straight dickheads,whats the deal..some guys are saying OTC stuff isnt natural and im not natural..and half the dudes saying it are these little squids who dont even have wheels on them..whats the deal with bodybuilding. If you do a show and pass tests,you win. Thats they way it has and always will be..now im not saying its fair but damn im only taking OTC supps and getting slammed by squids for it..im just stoked something OTC besides,creatine and food can work so well.

Oh well,cant make squids happy
 
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I was suggesting getting another bottle of halo because at 40 mg you aren't getting anything from that. But if you sourced 25 mg/pill h drol. Added one pill of that to current cycle for two weeks until the 2 caps/days of massive run out. Then run hdrol at 75-150 mg for 2-4 more weeks. This help to solidify gains from Msten while still reaping benefits from the slower to kick in halo drol.

if not you need to take some time off of orals. Before starting another round of legal a orals. But you should know all about time off from your old days.
 
I was suggesting getting another bottle of halo because at 40 mg you aren't getting anything from that. But if you sourced 25 mg/pill h drol. Added one pill of that to current cycle for two weeks until the 2 caps/days of massive run out. Then run hdrol at 75-150 mg for 2-4 more weeks. This help to solidify gains from Msten while still reaping benefits from the slower to kick in halo drol.

if not you need to take some time off of orals. Before starting another round of legal a orals. But you should know all about time off from your old days.

ok thank you
 
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