How Many Carbs Do You Need Post-Exercise?

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[h=1]How Many Carbs Do You Need Post-Exercise?[/h]

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Muscular Development prides itself on bringing our readers the most cutting-edge research available, but it's amazing how fast just one research paper can change a person's thoughts on a subject. If a bodybuilder asked our research department last week, "Do I need carbohydrates in my drink, post-exercise?" they would have said, "You probably need some carbohydrates because of the anti-catabolic actions of the insulin spike." If someone were to ask the exact amount of grams, we wouldn't have an answer. As you know, insulin is an anti-catabolic hormone that suppresses protein breakdown.


In contrast, infusion of a low dose of insulin directly into the brachial artery has been reported to achieve the maximal effect on protein breakdown.[SUP]5,6[/SUP] It’s interesting that diabetics or patients with insulin resistance have increased muscle protein breakdown and increased muscle atrophy, due to the defects in insulin signaling.The increased breakdown of muscle in diabetics is also due to elevated ubiquitin-proteasome pathway (UPP) levels, which create a catabolic scenario.[SUP]1[/SUP]

Carbohydrate supplements reduce muscle protein breakdown, but have no effect on muscle protein synthesis.[SUP]2,3[/SUP] In fact, even though carbohydrate ingestion reduces muscle tissue breakdown, the net balance of protein kinetics still remains negative.[SUP]4 [/SUP]Most bodybuilders recommend incorporating periodichigh-glycemic meals, which spike insulin— especially post-workout. This is not only effective for maintaining an anabolic state, but the insulin spike that results also shuts down the UPP pathway and reduces muscle tissue breakdown.

A study published in BMC Molecular Biology reports that increasing amino acids, or leucine alone, acts with insulin to downregulate muscle protein breakdown and reduce UPP. Thus, the use of l-leucine while dieting seems to be effective for reducing muscle tissue breakdown by reducing UPP. In addition to hormonal stimulators of UPP, resistance exercise also increases UPP, which is a normal adaptation to exercise. For years, bodybuilders have been told to consume a high-glycemic index shake with some added protein/BCAAs after exercise, but a new study will make you ask, do you need a ton of carbs, post-exercise?

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How Much Is Enough?

A study published in the American Journal of Physiology examined both low and high carbohydrate ingestion before resistance exercise to determine how many carbs is enough. The researchers used equivalent amounts of essential amino acids (~20 grams) but differing amounts of carbohydrates (low carbohydrates = 30 grams; high carbohydrates = 90 grams). The male research subjects ingested nutrients one hour after an acute bout of leg-resistance exercise.

30-Gram Rule
The results of the study were quite interesting. Of course, the group that consumed 90 grams of carbohydrates had larger increases in blood glucose levels, but the results in protein synthesis were similar.The researchers concluded that the findings were similar to previous studies, which found that muscle protein synthesis is not enhanced when carbohydrates exceed 30 grams. The researchers did not detect any significant differences in gene expression for markers of muscle catabolism following larger dosages of carbohydrates.[SUP]7[/SUP]They concluded that the changes in muscle protein synthesis were due to changes in the essential amino acids, while only a moderate dose of carbohydrates (~30 grams) is needed. Furthermore, these changes occur irrespective of the carbohydrate dose or circulating insulin levels.
So when bodybuilders are using post-workout carbohydrate beverages such as Vitargo or maltodextrins, 30 grams are all you need— and taking more than that does not seem to provide additional benefit in terms of muscle protein breakdown.
 
Great stuff. I use to use Vitargo and Karbolyn but it got expensive and recently switched over to Glycofuse, 25g per scoop.
 
I will do carb supp intra workout with protein. If I do this I won't have a PWO carb. Doesn't seem necessary. If I don't do an intra workout 50/50 shake then I will usually eat around 60g of carbs in different forms.
 
Im on the fence if it works better pre or post. My workouts are done in an hour so Im not sure any intra will do as opposed to doing longer workouts like actual endurance training or long ass leg sessions.
 
Right. Mine are usually an hour too. I always eat30-60g carbs 1-1 1/2 hours before a workout. This really helps with my energy and vascularity in the gym. The intra workout shake I take depending on when I workout and how many meals I need to get in yet. I like it on leg days to help keep the energy going.
 
Here is another viewpoint for NOT using carbs during workout. As we know heavy training increases GH production in the body and insulin blunts GH, hence it is said that spiking insulin while your body is trying to pump GH as a response to your workout can make your workout counter productive.
Now, one of the reasons to have carbs in first place is to support anabolism and reduce protein breakdown. This can be achieved by using BCAAs by itself. Also, not having carbs during workout and depleting your body's glycogen reserves and then having a carb supplement with protein at the end of the session will result in better nutrient uptake from larger insulin spike and better anabolic results as carb and protein together work in synergy.

Just another thought from what I have read.

Tho while on AAS, I would completely agree to use carbs BCAA mix on leg days to get thru a killer workout and not have to worry about anabolic results, since I just took a 3 ml insurance policy before I got in there lol




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I'm bulking and my workout takes 2 hours so I'm loading carbs on both sides. 6 egg whites and 4 cups of brown rice before and slab of salmon and big bowl of noodles after.
 
Here is another viewpoint for NOT using carbs during workout. As we know heavy training increases GH production in the body and insulin blunts GH, hence it is said that spiking insulin while your body is trying to pump GH as a response to your workout can make your workout counter productive.
Now, one of the reasons to have carbs in first place is to support anabolism and reduce protein breakdown. This can be achieved by using BCAAs by itself. Also, not having carbs during workout and depleting your body's glycogen reserves and then having a carb supplement with protein at the end of the session will result in better nutrient uptake from larger insulin spike and better anabolic results as carb and protein together work in synergy.

Just another thought from what I have read.

Tho while on AAS, I would completely agree to use carbs BCAA mix on leg days to get thru a killer workout and not have to worry about anabolic results, since I just took a 3 ml insurance policy before I got in there lol




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Always more than one way to look at things huh! I use BCAA's pre and post workout.

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I'm bulking and my workout takes 2 hours so I'm loading carbs on both sides. 6 egg whites and 4 cups of brown rice before and slab of salmon and big bowl of noodles after.

4 cups of rice! Damn you are not messing around when it comes to your energy in the gym. lol. That's awesome.
 
Always more than one way to look at things huh! I use BCAA's pre and post workout.

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4 cups of rice! Damn you are not messing around when it comes to your energy in the gym. lol. That's awesome.

Yea man my appetite is kicking pretty good so I know the 100mg of anadrol ed isn't overdoing it. I posted before but pre workout I do 2 scoops of ON gold stand whey so 48g protein and 10 grams of BCAAs, then during workout Scivation Xtend for 7 more grams of BCAAs then post workout I drink another 2 scoops of ON and creatine with my salmon and noodles.
 
Yea man my appetite is kicking pretty good so I know the 100mg of anadrol ed isn't overdoing it. I posted before but pre workout I do 2 scoops of ON gold stand whey so 48g protein and 10 grams of BCAAs, then during workout Scivation Xtend for 7 more grams of BCAAs then post workout I drink another 2 scoops of ON and creatine with my salmon and noodles.

Nice! Now that is how ya bulk! haha
 
I had my first full cheat meal tonight in about 5 weeks because my body was screaming at me for some greasy pizza. I basically inhaled it and my stomach hurts but my taste buds are in ecstasy!
 
I had my first full cheat meal tonight in about 5 weeks because my body was screaming at me for some greasy pizza. I basically inhaled it and my stomach hurts but my taste buds are in ecstasy!
Wow! 5 weeks without a cheat meal! You make me feel like a weak addict. haha. I usually have to cheat once a week! I usually order a pizza once a month. It is so hard when you get that hankering! I eat a whole large pizza from Papa Johns. Anchovies, pinneaple, and pepporoni. Yum! I do this on cuts and bulks. I'm going to compete next year, so probably have to go without for several months. :(
 
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