Best way to take oral steroids to maximize cycle gains

F1D

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My fellow brothers, here is a tread I made on a few other forums, and figured I would share it here as well... This is something that has been asked over and over again in the past years, and that is " how can I get the best effect in absorption with my orals"...
Well below is a study that was conducted and proven, and also tested and in practice by self as well... I use this method with almost all my orals each and every single time..
I hope this read will help you and find you well, so take this for what it is worth and add it to the data dase of info in the back of your heads..

Regards,
F1D
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Orals Steroids and Grapefruit Juice / it will increase their absorption

Here's some info that many of you may or may not know or have seen posted elsewhere. Basically, if you drink 250ml of grapefruit juice with your oral medications, it will increase their absorption, blood serum concentrations, etc...There was a study done specifically with some 17A drugs, but I decided not to copy it here. The article I did copy (below) is a lot more reader-friendly and less technical.
If you are too lazy to read the article, here's the summary:
Drink 250ml of grapefruit juice (thats 8.4 ounces) with your oral steroids, and you just need to drink it once per day, even if you take your orals spread out throughout the day.
I've seen studies where absorbtion of some drugs was increased by up to 500%!
THIS APPLIES ALL ORAL MEDICATIONS/DRUGS.


James Maskalyk
Editorial Fellow, CMAJ

Grapefruit juice interacts with a number of medications. This unusual discovery was made serendipitously in 1989 during an experiment designed to test the effect of ethanol on a calcium-channel blocker.1 The observed response was later determined to be due to the grapefruit juice delivery vehicle rather than the alcohol. In the past decade, the list of drug interactions with grapefruit juice has expanded to include several classes of medication, precipitating a recent advisory from Health Canada.2

The interaction: As little as 250 mL of grapefruit juice can change the metabolism of some drugs.3 This drug–food interaction occurs because of a common pathway involving a specific isoform of cytochrome P450 — CYP3A4 — present in both the liver and the intestinal wall. Studies suggest that grapefruit juice exerts its effect primarily at the level of the intestine.4

After ingestion, a substrate contained in the grapefruit binds to the intestinal isoenzyme, impairing first-pass metabolism directly and causing a sustained decrease in CYP3A4 protein expression.5 Within 4 hours of ingestion, a reduction in the effective CYP3A4 concentration occurs, with effects lasting up to 24 hours.6 The net result is inhibition of drug metabolism in the intestine and increased oral bio availability. Because of the prolonged response, separating the intake of the drug and the juice does not prevent interference.

Individuals express CYP3A4 in different proportions, those with the highest intestinal concentration being most susceptible to grapefruit juice–drug interactions.5 An effect is seen with the whole fruit as well as its juice, so caution should be exercised with both.7 The precise chemical compound in grapefruit that causes the interaction has not been identified. There is no similar reaction with orange juice, although there is some suspicion that "sour oranges" such as the Seville variety, may have some effect.8 A recent study, however, that tested the known interference of grapefruit juice with cyclosporine showed no similar effect with Seville oranges.9

There is some interest in the potential therapeutic benefit of adding grapefruit juice to a drug regimen to increase oral bioavailability.3 The limitation is the individual variation in patient response. However, if the chemical that causes grapefruit's CYP3A4 inhibition is elucidated, there may be an opportunity to modulate that pathway in a controlled fashion.

What to do: Much of the data obtained on grapefruit juice–drug interactions involved measuring serum drug concentrations in small numbers of healthy volunteers. Because of the limited data and only occasional case reports,10 it is difficult to quantify the clinical significance for individual patients. One may assume that the interaction occurs primarily with oral medicines, and only with those that share the CYP3A4 metabolism pathway, with the consequence being increased oral bioavailability, higher serum drug concentrations and associated adverse effects.

Physicians should review medication lists often, with the goal of warning patients about adverse interactions. A list of medicines with which patients should not consume grapefruit is provided in Table 1.3,11,12 In the case of several medications that share the CYP3A4 metabolism pathway, but for which a clinical effect has not been elucidated or is theoretical, patients should be advised to consume grapefruit cautiously and be monitored for toxicity.
 
Grapefruit juice squeezes more out of some medications

ANN ARBOR—Researchers, led by a team from the University of Michigan Medical Center, have isolated a pair of substances in grapefruit juice that cause greater absorption of certain drugs in the human body. The new findings are published in the November issue of the journal Drug Metabolism and Disposition.
Earlier studies found that patients who took certain medications with grapefruit juice absorbed more of the medicine. The key to how grapefruit juice enhances drug absorption lies in the interaction between the grapefruit juice and an enzyme found in the small intestine.
Now, Paul B. Watkins, M.D., director of the U-M General Clinical Research Center, and his colleagues have isolated two substances in grapefruit, called furanocoumarins (few-ran-oh-COO-muh-rinns), that are responsible for the so-called grapefruit effect. Watkins says the two components act like suicide bombers, attaching themselves to the enzyme and destroying its ability to interfere with drug absorption.
The enzyme, known as CYP3A4, normally acts as a sort of gatekeeper against certain types of medication, including those prescribed for high blood pressure, heart disease, allergies, AIDS and organ transplantation. These types of drugs, unlike most medications, are not absorbed efficiently in the intestines because they are largely broken down by CYP3A4 in the intestinal wall. Watkins says people typically have varying levels of the enzyme in their intestines—which appears to explain why some individuals absorb greater amounts of a given medication than others.
Watkins says the two furanocoumarins have different properties. The major active substance in grapefruit juice is called 6',7'-dihydroxybergamottin (DHB) and the researchers named the other ingredient they discovered FC726. Where the two differ is that DHB appears to have multiple effects, while FC726 seems to work specifically on the CYP3A4 enzyme.
Watkins says these findings could have important ramifications for the future of drug-making. Researchers now believe that by adding one of the furanocoumarins contained in grapefruit to certain oral medications, the reliability and safety of the drugs can be noticeably improved. "This discovery allows for the development of improved oral medications, not just for existing drugs, but more importantly, drugs that would not have made useful oral medications without this prior understanding," Watkins says. "By placing DHB or FC726 directly into a pill, much more of the drug will be absorbed in a reliable manner."
Another interesting finding in the study was that the concentration of the active ingredients varies dramatically among grapefruits and grapefruit juices, even within the same product line. This is most likely because of growing conditions in different regions and because manufacturers typically buy their grapefruits from many areas. "For this reason," Watkins says, "it would be preferable to add the active ingredient to pills, rather than just taking medication with grapefruit products."
Watkins believes there are probably additional substances in grapefruit that control drug absorption. "The direction of the research now," he says, "is to continue to search for these furanocoumarins to find the magic bullet, the one that just does what we want it to without interfering with anything else. We believe the grapefruit harbors all kinds of compounds that will be useful in formulating different kinds of drugs."
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I hope everyone finds this read educational.... I just wanted to share with the community...

I have much more to come....

Enjoy Ladies/gentleman!

F1D
 
Grapefruit juice tastes like Acidic Ass to me,lol more power to you guys who can stomach it though!

thnx for sharing though,
 
Excellent post, however just to be clear, I am under the understanding that this applies primarily to prescription medications. Indeed I do know you are not supposed to take it with xanax or some anti-depressants, but i wonder if you have any more links, say to a medical journal to validate its use with gear??

And don't get me wrong, Im not trying to disprove you, in fact, if it were/is true, Id stock up on grapefruit juice today!!

I have a link, as I must dig it up, in regards to use with AAS orals, and the extreme benefits of this practice... When some meds have warnings and such to NOT use grapefruit juice with meds, it is in fact because some are time released and it will interfere with the scheduling of the medications..
If you ask your Dr about the use of this with narcotics,xanax and such, they prefer that you do not use it because it will increase the effect 10 fold... Most medications have an abstraction of grapefruit inside the tabs, that is very common, just for the reason stated above...
Its just something to look at and consider. I use it when I take all my orals, and feel a significant differ, and even use less mgs of the tabs because I notice I get better absorption with this..


Grapefruit juice tastes like Acidic Ass to me,lol more power to you guys who can stomach it though!

thnx for sharing though,

Bro, it is a very bitter juice, and takes a alot to get it down.. Ruby red is my choice tho... LOL
 
I cant stand grapefruit either. I have tried it all and can't stand any of it. Apple, grape, and orange is about all I can stand.
 
well like I've said before I've tried this 2x, once with dbol and once with abombs and didn't notice anything diff. than without
 
Bump. Any new thoughts on this? First thing in the morning I take my orals with a mixture of grapefruit juice, lemon juice, creatine and BCAAs. I've found this to be a HUGE difference. I've been using less creatine and BCAAs since I switched to mixing them with the juice instead of water. I'm just wondering if anybody else does this.
 
the grapefruit juice doesnt make the drug absorb any better it actually blocks it from being degraded and therefore the levels of drug in the blood increase.
 
the grapefruit juice doesnt make the drug absorb any better it actually blocks it from being degraded and therefore the levels of drug in the blood increase.

Yeah I know. A lot of people think the juice breaks it down faster and makes it absorb better, when it's the opposite. Slows down the enzyme that breaks them down. You ever played with this mix?
 
Yeah I know. A lot of people think the juice breaks it down faster and makes it absorb better, when it's the opposite. Slows down the enzyme that breaks them down. You ever played with this mix?

NO, i dont really like orals, i dont know that it applys to the juice from concntrate as much as it would an actual grapefruit since alot of "juice" is just flavoring.
 
I always eat something after taking my orals. I seem to feel it better maybe because the stomach acid isnt killing the oral if its in there alone. I know when i take an ECA stack, I eat something and it always hits me much faster!
 
Kia Greene been doing that for years, he loves him some grapefruit...poor guy will never live that down, what a guy will do for a few bucks in this sport.......
 
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