Pharma Sustanon 250 = 10% Benzyl Alcohol

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Assassin

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First up; hello to all my brothers on here! Hope your all making big gainz!!!

Following from a topic i read on here this morning regarding the Aveed Test Undecanoate.

Something id like to ask fellow brewers on here is:

Ive seen on an original UK and Pakistani Organon Sustanon 250 leaflet that they use 10% BA in there Sustanon and the rest is Arachis Oil.
I will find the link to the online version of the leaflet later today but ouch 10% BA? Is that really needed and if so why doesnt that cause so much pain. I find Original Sustanon quite painless.

Thoughts?
 
Welcome to the board I agree never got any pain from niles organon I'm using PSL ep Sust 250 no pip there either some people get pip some don't not sure why
 
Im currently using my own test 400 blend and its as smooth as silk.
Cant feel like youve done an injection and gaining quite well.

Ive just always wondered why Organon use 10% BA in there sustanon and how its not painful.
When doing a home brew anything over 2% and youve got a sore ass lol!
 
Like PG will tell you more than 1.9% BA is not needed. My second brew ever was sustanon (true sus 4 ester blend) and took PG'S advice and came out perfect with no complaints. Thank good cause i love sustanon but hate pip!
 
d12hazz said:
Like PG will tell you more than 1.9% BA is not needed. My second brew ever was sustanon (true sus 4 ester blend) and took PG'S advice and came out perfect with no complaints. Thank good cause i love sustanon but hate pip!
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Yo brother; thanks for replying.
Did you buy the esters seperate and make your own; what was the exact recipe you used buddy.
If you dont mind me asking.
Also what oil you use?
 
They use 10% because they do not have the cleanest standards. We are talking third world countries here, most don't even filter their products but add high BA to keep bacteria from forming as BA is only a microbrial deterent and sterilizer (preservative).

Nothing grows in oil with 1.9ml or BA or 20ml of BA so 1.9 is the magic number to adhere to.

Your using Arachis oil? AKA Coconut oil? A lot of people are allergic to nuts that's why peanut oil isn't used. Hence a lot would also be allergic to coconut oil.
Theres a lot of good carriers out there and they can be tailored for your needs. I use sesame, GSO and Apricot almost always.
 
Sadly, peanut oil has fallen by the wayside - it was *the* oil of choice for decades, even by the pharmaceutical companies. Stable, easily absorbed by the body...but now, with so many people with allergies, it's risky. I still use it for myself, since I'm not allergic - and anyone I share with I ask before...
 
Powderguy said:
They use 10% because they do not have the cleanest standards. We are talking third world countries here, most don't even filter their products but add high BA to keep bacteria from forming as BA is only a microbrial deterent and sterilizer (preservative).

Nothing grows in oil with 1.9ml or BA or 20ml of BA so 1.9 is the magic number to adhere to.

Your using Arachis oil? AKA Coconut oil? A lot of people are allergic to nuts that's why peanut oil isn't used. Hence a lot would also be allergic to coconut oil.
Theres a lot of good carriers out there and they can be tailored for your needs. I use sesame, GSO and Apricot almost always.
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Yo bro; ive sent you a PM.
You do know most pharmaceutical companies use Arachis Oil and Castor Oil.
Bayer Testoviron is produced in Castor Oil and Norma Hellas Deca is produced in Arachis oil which is Nut oil.
 
Assassin said:
Yo bro; ive sent you a PM.
You do know most pharmaceutical companies use Arachis Oil and Castor Oil.
Bayer Testoviron is produced in Castor Oil and Norma Hellas Deca is produced in Arachis oil which is Nut oil.
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To be honest no I didn't know that, companies products are protected by patent rights and they don't tell you what is in them exactly. Its not posted publicly just like the recipe for Coca-Cola. So No I didn't know that and I don't see why because Coconut Oil for injection use is relatively expensive vs Grapeseed and Apricot (which EC uses).
As for the Castor Oil, I would be curious to know wwhere WE can find this info..can you provide a place where we can find this out for sure?
 
Giru said:
d12hazz, for curiosity, do you remember that advices tath you followed and the recipe?

thanks!
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I followed a recipe from a sticky in the forum with the change in BA to 1.9. If you have any questions just post your recipe before brewing and their will be plenty of help to guide you in the right direction. There was four or five different ones I used. I hope this helps.
 
Bayer uses Castor, though I cannot understand why. I find it to be horrid, but to each their own. Personally, I think all traditional excepients have fallen by wayside. I used GSO more than anything, but I have even moved on from it now.
As is case often enough, we find what we like and stick with it, regardless of what others feel. Some like blondes. Some brunettes.
Personally, I feel whatever excipient can give me higher concentration, while using less solvents and thinner needles, then that is way to go.
At least for me and mine.
 
6-fingers said:
Bayer uses Castor, though I cannot understand why. I find it to be horrid, but to each their own. Personally, I think all traditional excepients have fallen by wayside. I used GSO more than anything, but I have even moved on from it now.
As is case often enough, we find what we like and stick with it, regardless of what others feel. Some like blondes. Some brunettes.
Personally, I feel whatever excipient can give me higher concentration, while using less solvents and thinner needles, then that is way to go.
At least for me and mine.
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Can you tell me which carrier oil you use currently?
 
Powderguy said:
To be honest no I didn't know that, companies products are protected by patent rights and they don't tell you what is in them exactly. Its not posted publicly just like the recipe for Coca-Cola. So No I didn't know that and I don't see why because Coconut Oil for injection use is relatively expensive vs Grapeseed and Apricot (which EC uses).
As for the Castor Oil, I would be curious to know wwhere WE can find this info..can you provide a place where we can find this out for sure?
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Ive had some Greek and Pakistani Bayer Testoviron Depot and in both boxes the leaflets had the info on them.
This is not like Coca-Cola and I cant see how you can compare the two. Every genuine pharmaceutical grade steroid i have used has contained on the box or on the leaflet exactly what concentrations of BA and carrier oils are used.
Bayer 100% use Castor Oil in Testoviron both in Asia and Europe so you cant says it because its a third world country they are mis-informed.
Greek Norma Hellas Test Enanthate also uses Castor Oil
Greek Norma Hellas Nandrolone Decanoate uses Arachis Oil
UK Pharma Nordic Viromone from back in the day used to suspend the Test Propionate in Ethyl Oleate
UK Pharma Organon Sustanon 250 uses Arachis Oil

Cant remember the others but it is something i look into when using different/new compounds.

Also here is the Patient Information Leaflet for Organon Sustanon:
https://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/PIL.28829.latest.pdf

Correct me if im wrong but it says they use 100mg of Benzyl Alcohol per 1ml of oily solution which equates to around 10%. Now that is fucking high lol.

Even Norma Deca 100mg/ml uses BA and Oil only. NO BB at all.
 
Assassin said:
Yo brother; thanks for replying.
Did you buy the esters seperate and make your own; what was the exact recipe you used buddy.
If you dont mind me asking.
Also what oil you use?
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I did by the esters separately. The recipe i followed was one on the sticky with PG's advice added. I have mine written down somewhere and will try to find it.
 
Powderguy said:
They use 10% because they do not have the cleanest standards. We are talking third world countries here, most don't even filter their products but add high BA to keep bacteria from forming as BA is only a microbrial deterent and sterilizer (preservative).

Nothing grows in oil with 1.9ml or BA or 20ml of BA so 1.9 is the magic number to adhere to.
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It doesn't kill the bacteria though. Once its injected the bacteria have a nice warm nutrient rich environment in which to grow.

At least this is what I was though when I was shown how to HB.

Am I misinformed?
 
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