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csrice1
10-10-2015, 12:32 PM
Hey guys new to the forum and having a huge problem with TNE recipe. I've never made test base before and I assumed the same steps for test e would work but they did not. I used 50grams test base, 2% Ba, 18%BB and 357ml cotton seed oil. It immediately crashed upon cooling down and now i have 500ml of test base crystal apple sauce lol. I've been reading about guacoal and EO plus poly sorbate. My question would be is there any of those three products that I can reheat batch and add to it to make my gear suspend? Any info would be greatly appreciated and please no guesses I need respected answers only. Thanks bros

Presser
10-10-2015, 12:39 PM
Welcome to mc and I will move this post to the proper forum for ya

csrice1
10-10-2015, 02:20 PM
Hey presser thanks and sorry for posting in wrong spot. I saw you gave advice on a tne recipe in another thread, any suggestions on what might work for me to salvage this gear?

Iron Game
10-10-2015, 08:05 PM
No idea but welcome to MuscleChemistry.com. Keep coming back you will get your answer.

csrice1
10-11-2015, 10:48 PM
48hrs and no suggestions, seriously bros this is why I don't join boards someone prove me wrong

jojo111
10-12-2015, 06:24 AM
48hrs and no suggestions, seriously bros this is why I don't join boards someone prove me wrong
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clansman1
10-12-2015, 01:18 PM
I had the same experience, but thankfully only wasted 100ml! I got it all to dissolve, then when I'd put in 5 x 20ml vials it clogged up as it cooled, so in the bin it went!! The Guaiacol is the key, as it's a super solvent.

Here's my recipe for 100ml

BA 2.0ml
BB 20ml
Guaiacol 15ml
EO 55.5ml

Multiply above amounts by 5 for 500ml (75ml Guaiacol).

EO doesn't bother me and this is a nice thin & painless pin for me and was easy to make. With this amount of solvent you could probably get away with using any oil carrier that you prefer, or a 50/50 mix with EO? I haven't tried it, but it should be fine. You could try adding the Guaiacol to your mix and re-heating. What have you got to lose? I ordered some Guaiacolf rom ebay (am UK based) and had it 2 days later, very cheap.

csrice1
10-14-2015, 06:14 PM
Your the man thanks for the solid answer, I ordered 100ml guac and will be mixing tomorrow I'll let you know how it holds

Presser
10-15-2015, 07:57 AM
good shit clanman

Cowboy3
10-15-2015, 04:55 PM
In my experience TNE needs to be in an EO base with ba,bb, and guaiacol. If it were me that had 500cc of crashed TNE I would cool it off in the fridge or freezer to crystalize as much of the test base as possible. When this is done pour out the oil, you'll then need to weigh how much test you have. Then heat the crystalized test base slowly just until it melts (around 310 Fahrenheit if memory serves me) Add your BA, BB, guaiacol, then EO in that order - after each is added heat and swirl until you have a clear solution. Let cool to appropriate temperature for you filter (should be using a nylon filter membrane to cope with the solvents, zap cap CR .22um is what I use). Filter it, let it sit overnight in the media bottle to make sure it doesn't crash. If it does reheat and add guaiacol, if you have nylon membrane syringe filters and only need a small amount you can filter the guaiacol straight into the media bottle. Guaiacol will melt the rubber plunger in a syringe so if you need a large amount I would not use a syringe filter and go straight to adding it then re-filter the whole batch. Hope this helps and good luck, TNE can be a pain in the ass until you figure it out which can take some time and experimenting. In the future I recommend doing a small batch to test if the recipe works then go for the whole shooting match.

Presser
10-16-2015, 02:15 PM
great advice cowboy

Userat204
10-18-2015, 10:38 PM
I agree with the post I liked. I use a split of eo and gso. 100% eo will work great but isn't needed I just made 200ml and was able to use15% guaiacol and 30/70 eo to gso. It came out perfect.

Anyone know where to get some Miglyol 840 so we can get rid of the guaiacol?? . I know of another that can be bought easily an checking powder form that u just add 2 parts to 1 part raw with ba bb and heat and it replaces the guaiacol and eo but I really want Miglyol. Also mct is working well for this. I can't figure out how to post pics from phone.

csrice1
10-20-2015, 04:28 PM
Really appreciate the feedback. I actually just reheated and added the guacoil and it worked beautifully. However now I'm having the same prob with boldenone acetate 200mg/ml and 500ml of it is crashed so I'm gonna try the same thing but also dilute it to 100mg/ml with oil.
Anyways thanks for the advice these are products Ive never worked with before and probably never will again

Cowboy3
10-20-2015, 09:21 PM
100 should hold fine with oil added. If you wanted to stop it at 150 I say use EO. Let us know how it goes.

Presser
10-21-2015, 08:56 AM
Really appreciate the feedback. I actually just reheated and added the guacoil and it worked beautifully. However now I'm having the same prob with boldenone acetate 200mg/ml and 500ml of it is crashed so I'm gonna try the same thing but also dilute it to 100mg/ml with oil.
Anyways thanks for the advice these are products Ive never worked with before and probably never will again

did you fix the boldenone ace

clansman1
10-22-2015, 02:39 AM
Glad that worked out for you. It's a lot of gear to lose and I've been down that road myself!! I do love Test Base though.

I tend to stick with Test & Deca, so can't help out with Boldenone, as I've never tried that particular brew. I hope it works out.

Adam Levine
12-07-2015, 10:32 PM
good suggestion.

Powderguy
12-08-2015, 09:12 AM
I don't do much with test base (TNE) as its always a pain in the ass and always depends on product quality. I have had some that works well and seen some that doesn't..

I have read the above and maybe I will try some myself (recipes) and see how they work..if they work out I will let ya know.
However, im not sure I agree with guac being a super solvent for TNE, most TNE, Winny, DBOL are not organic soluble and will take some serious adjusting to get them to do so..hence why winny and TNe are water based suspension and dbol is an oral..

I think its great your guys are trying it at least..

Doctor9
12-08-2015, 09:49 AM
Well, I have purchased some TNE in solvent from one of the suppliers on the board and let me assure you, Guaicol is *definitely* part of the solvent blend - they don't specify the percentage, but I'd know that smell anywhere (Chemist here, and trust me, it's distinctive)

It would be interesting to see if it *had* to be EO with guaicol - not everyone reacts well to EO, maybe a *really* low viscosity oil like apricot seed?

Doctor9

clansman1
12-08-2015, 12:14 PM
Yeah, I tried first time without the Guaiacol (I'd never used it before) and it remained in suspension long enough for me to fill 5 x 20ml vials. 20 minutes later I had 100ml of glue!! I did some research on it and it worked perfectly with EO. Next time I'll try 50/50 EO & GSO. I heard from another home brewer that it works OK with the Guaiacol at the same percentage (15%). It's a learning curve for every brew you come up with.