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Iron Game
01-14-2016, 01:40 AM
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At this stage of development there are no SARMs available on the legitimate pharmaceutical market, although one (Ostarine) has made it into the third and last phase of clinical trials. Luckily, however, legitimate SARMs are available for purchase through various peptide companies on the web. In fact, legitimate Ostarine can be found under the code name MK-2866.

S1 (MK 2866 or Ostarine) is another SARM that displays plenty of promise at promoting lean body mass. It is extremely potent, has a long half life, and displays no androgenic effects. This means it won’t cause any secondary “masculine” side-effects. S-1 is purely anabolic like Anavar, something I know women would love to hear especially if they are looking to build muscle without virilization (masculine side effects). It binds strongly to the androgen receptor, but without the side effects normally associated with high levels of testosterone or other compounds. It shows considerable properties as a muscle hardening agent just slightly less than those of S4. It\’s ability to cause fat loss means it can be used on a cutting cycle and can be stacked effectively with fat burners.


S1 has displayed a real ability to help heal those with debilitating injuries and to speed up injury recovery. The beneficial effects on recovery make medical use highly appealing. An added benefit is you get the great recovery without all the negative changes to cholesterol, blood pressure, prostate, heart or any other organs the way anabolic steroids do.


Of the currently studied SARMs, S1 showed in successful phase II clinical trials to significantly increase the lean body mass (LBM) and physical performance of men and women with cancer cachexia who got S1 as opposed to a placebo. Men and women who got S1 had a reduction in serum lipids and a favorable change in LDL to HDL ratios. These results indicate that S1 has can potential help improve bone mass in the elderly.


Do SARMs suppress natural testosterone production or NOT?


It would take more than 70mgs of S4 and 30mgs of S1 a day to have the SARM compete with one’s own natural testosterone production. In rats, at these high dosages, SARMs even suggest potential application for male contraception as they would cause reactions in the body that would lower sperm count. (Endocrinology. 2004;145:5420–5428.)


In this study below, SARMs are being used as a replacement for Testosterone Replacement Therapy.


Currently available testosterone replacement therapy options are largely restricted to injectable or skin delivery formulations of testosterone. Injectable testosterone leads to above normal blood levels right after an injection and below normal levels just before the next injection. Skin patches do provide a better blood level profile of testosterone, but skin irritation and daily application still limit the usefulness and acceptability of this form of therapy. Oral preparations of Testosterone such as fluoxymesterone and 17a-methyltestosterone are not currently used due to concerns about liver toxicity.


The discovery of SARMs will provide the opportunity to develop medications that can be taken orally and have the same benefits of androgen therapy without all the above mentioned adverse side effects.


I think that it is safe to say that doses as high as 50mgs of S4 or 10mgs of S1 will not do anything to the hypothalamic–pituitary–gonadal axis HTPA while promoting beneficial effects like enhancing protein synthesis, building muscle tissue and enhancing lean body mass. (Read about HTPA in the EliteFitness.com forums! )


Since they are not suppressive to natural testosterone production, can SARMs be used as a bridge in between anabolic steroid cycles?


A bridge is means using an anabolic agent that will not suppress natural testosterone production while preserving and adding to the muscle gains from your completed steroid cycle and before you begin your next steroid cycle. A bridge between cycles is usually anywhere from 4-12 weeks depending on your goals. Everyone’s opinion on bridges varies, some may feel it is a waste, others feel it can be the only smart way to cycle. For the serious bodybuilder, a bridge is a must since many bodybuilders would have used a suppressive androgenic anabolic steroid to make gains meaning they would find themselves with little natural testosterone production. That is where SARMs come in; preferably S-1 (mk 2866) as it is virtually non-toxic and has a faster response in creating an anabolic environment. Athletes find that no more than 5mgs of S1 or 10mgs of S4 used during your bridge is all that is needed to maintain your gains and even add additional muscle between steroid cycles.

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Can SARMs be stacked with anabolic steroids during a steroid cycle?


S-1 can be used on cycle as well especially since its touted for its fast acting anabolic capabilities. So if you want to still keep toxicity to minimum while on cycle, S-1 would be in your best interest for your needs. If you choose to run S-4 on cycle 50-100mgs will do great on maximize gains. Now if you should choose S-1 during your cycle, 20mgs would be sufficient but you could go up in dosage if needed to maximize your gains. And YES, you can use both on cycle to really tear it up during your cycle, strength would go up quite substantially.

Presser
01-17-2016, 12:32 PM
good stuff bro

The Dude
02-29-2016, 07:30 PM
This is a great read. I'm going to do it

yellow snow
02-29-2016, 09:28 PM
This is a great read. I'm going to do it
As a stack or a bridge?

The Dude
02-29-2016, 09:39 PM
As a stack or a bridge?

Im going to stack them with my current AAS.

mmajake
03-01-2016, 12:14 AM
Im going to stack them with my current AAS.

What gear are you gunna run them alongside dude ?

Presser
09-28-2016, 08:19 AM
Crazy but now i get this question all the time, can i stack my sarms specifically ligandrol with my steroid stack for bulking, and Ostarine sarm with steroids stack for cutting, and the answer is of course you can! I guess the verdict is in on certain SARMs stacked with an anabolic steroid cycle and they work

Presser
11-03-2016, 04:54 PM
this is a solid read, and its a shame its down here in this forum at the bottom of the site where it doesn't get its due love lol

Cant tell you how many times I have been asked this question, and another popular question is which SARM stacks best an ECA stack to cut body fat.

Actually just got asked this last night by one of our military men stationed over seas.

Im going to ask this question in main steroid forum

Userat204
11-05-2016, 01:59 AM
Presser I agree. I was stacking ostarine when it first became popular with all my cycles and then was using as part of pct at a lower dose and then beyond pct to maintain gains. Now there are multiple others with great benefits one being the gh sarm, sorry for my ignorance on not remembering the name right now but its late,these can have benefits largely during , and off cycle and stand alone. When ostarine became popular with GW i had 3 companies sending me bottles non stop wanting me to review the two and I used them alone with cycles and pct. For me gw wasn't something I really felt I needed so it went to a friend but I swear his only pct off a long cycle was blasting hcg, an AI, ostarine, and gw and he didn't get bloodwork but he appeared to recover easily. He initially lost 5lbs of his gains only to gain 10 of that back. I use to use ostarine in place of an oral just to try it and went up to 50mg but 25 to 30mg seemed to work just fine. It did seem there is a point in pct and on its own it can have a negative effect on HPTA but SARMS are excellent and I think once I'm past 40 I might go to test for my regular trt and SARMS only. I want to run 4th with that as well and I have a local connect for serostims at a good price 126 iu with water straight from the pharmacy and even go with the guy to pick it up and there are plenty of kits but even at the prices I get it for which is half to 1/4 what its sold for online it gets expensive but I only use 2iu a day anyway. So my point being SARMS may even be a safer alternative for those of us once we are older and more worried about lipids which gw appears to help some, but still maintain the benefit is of what we are looking for. Now dosing may get into an area with hpta suppression but I've been on HRT since I was 30 so like 8 years now I think lol. Anyway I can't imagine not having gear. I've thought a lot about it and with the Sarms that keep coming out low doses of T and namdrolone I like for my joints whether its true or myth I haven't decided because they still always hurt but may become a safer route as we get older but even for young guys and still see great results. Imo SARMS are no joke. I won't say that ostarine will match up to T mg for mg but I guarantee I can stay healthy and add in some other SARMS and still be ripped after 40 and 50 and still look good. Look at our population not this one but the outside average person population they all think we are living on gear which I sorta do haha but in the HRT platform with a few blast but I've went some years without a real cycle and I think Sarms are just what I need when I'm done or even during. I'm glad you posted this. Sarms are good at all points with ostarine unless things have changed you need to know dude it in pct and monitor your bloodwork when on it off cycle because I was always told or read that at a certain dose it negatively affected HPTA I never had labs done because I was blasting with it and my labs were for blood counts, lipids, etc not even free or the pointless total t but estro etc. Now I can't say if it effected me negatively there because i was on a blast of T and npp or ND I love those, but in pct I guess I can say at the point I had labs my free T, retro lh, get were all good still using low dose osta but I had only finished blasting hcg weeks prior then running a good dose of totem for 6 weeks because I know way to many of us start pct way to soon which I for a while would run te and tp with like nd and npp then 4 to 6 weeks before I planned on pct I would drop the long esters and continue the short but I was only giving my self 2 weeks off the short esters to start blasting hcg and that's not enough time but like many fools I didn't want low T levels ever so basically it was a way to stay on. Then I would do 6 weeks of a good dose of torem which I love in pct and ran ostarine twice thru the pct and after used an ai. But I never got labs unfortunately after the pct was complete when using osta which makes no sense because you can't go off how you feel but I felt great I was strong I kept my size and my dong was working just fine so I continued the osta and continued to grow on nothing else but food and hard work which my knees and spine are paying for now but in reality I think if I didn't continue to train all the injuries I've had would have left me feeling or walking like an old man in my 30's but instead I still look good and feel decent yea I have some morning aches and pains and what not but SARMS not only can be used during a cycle but are a perfect part of it. In afraid of using generic 5th because of the possibility of the build up of immunities to gh so once I'm done spending cash on serostims I will give the gh sarm a go and again I feel like a moron for not knowing the name but I'll it seems the way to go because your forcing your bodies natural release and what can be better than that. Not to mention it will be a great pct to the serostims. I'm afraid for the guys running so much generic gh and the amount of leftover ecoli that they will become immune to 5th period and nothing will help them if this is as true as it seems so maybe SARMS are better than a generic gh if you can't get the real deal and to me the real deal I want to see come from my local pharmacy. Its to easy to copy anything these days. Presser great post as always my friend. I have been on the boards as much lately and spent most of my time in the homebrew but with peptides and SARMS I think a person could look great without gear. As we age we are losing everything our bodies need to maintain muscle mass and some faster than others. Igf is another that always useful and was also always worked into my pct when I did them but even now it I do a cycle I don't just stop one day then go back to my HRT, I gradually come down and uses SARMS and peptides to help ease the transition and maintain the mass I worked for. Everyone thinks HRT or blast then cruise is an easy route and unless your cruise is a gram of test you might want to think twice. That small dose of test is just to keep you normal when you just came from large amounts. This again is where SARMS and peptides can help maintain and ease the transition. Your body gets use to anything you do so HRT is one I believe it does as well I've tried blasting then just dropping to my HRT dose and its not that simple so if you haven't used SARMS or don't know much about them you really are missing out. GW has some great things it can do but this new one sounds even better. So I need to step my game up and look back into a lot of these as I really haven't read much on them the last couple years so sorry for the semi ignorant post and always long posts. But I agree with you 100% Presser I just wanted to share some of my experience with them.

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Presser
11-11-2016, 09:38 PM
Presser I agree. I was stacking ostarine when it first became popular with all my cycles and then was using as part of pct at a lower dose and then beyond pct to maintain gains. Now there are multiple others with great benefits one being the gh sarm, sorry for my ignorance on not remembering the name right now but its late,these can have benefits largely during , and off cycle and stand alone. When ostarine became popular with GW i had 3 companies sending me bottles non stop wanting me to review the two and I used them alone with cycles and pct. For me gw wasn't something I really felt I needed so it went to a friend but I swear his only pct off a long cycle was blasting hcg, an AI, ostarine, and gw and he didn't get bloodwork but he appeared to recover easily. He initially lost 5lbs of his gains only to gain 10 of that back. I use to use ostarine in place of an oral just to try it and went up to 50mg but 25 to 30mg seemed to work just fine. It did seem there is a point in pct and on its own it can have a negative effect on HPTA but SARMS are excellent and I think once I'm past 40 I might go to test for my regular trt and SARMS only. I want to run 4th with that as well and I have a local connect for serostims at a good price 126 iu with water straight from the pharmacy and even go with the guy to pick it up and there are plenty of kits but even at the prices I get it for which is half to 1/4 what its sold for online it gets expensive but I only use 2iu a day anyway. So my point being SARMS may even be a safer alternative for those of us once we are older and more worried about lipids which gw appears to help some, but still maintain the benefit is of what we are looking for. Now dosing may get into an area with hpta suppression but I've been on HRT since I was 30 so like 8 years now I think lol. Anyway I can't imagine not having gear. I've thought a lot about it and with the Sarms that keep coming out low doses of T and namdrolone I like for my joints whether its true or myth I haven't decided because they still always hurt but may become a safer route as we get older but even for young guys and still see great results. Imo SARMS are no joke. I won't say that ostarine will match up to T mg for mg but I guarantee I can stay healthy and add in some other SARMS and still be ripped after 40 and 50 and still look good. Look at our population not this one but the outside average person population they all think we are living on gear which I sorta do haha but in the HRT platform with a few blast but I've went some years without a real cycle and I think Sarms are just what I need when I'm done or even during. I'm glad you posted this. Sarms are good at all points with ostarine unless things have changed you need to know dude it in pct and monitor your bloodwork when on it off cycle because I was always told or read that at a certain dose it negatively affected HPTA I never had labs done because I was blasting with it and my labs were for blood counts, lipids, etc not even free or the pointless total t but estro etc. Now I can't say if it effected me negatively there because i was on a blast of T and npp or ND I love those, but in pct I guess I can say at the point I had labs my free T, retro lh, get were all good still using low dose osta but I had only finished blasting hcg weeks prior then running a good dose of totem for 6 weeks because I know way to many of us start pct way to soon which I for a while would run te and tp with like nd and npp then 4 to 6 weeks before I planned on pct I would drop the long esters and continue the short but I was only giving my self 2 weeks off the short esters to start blasting hcg and that's not enough time but like many fools I didn't want low T levels ever so basically it was a way to stay on. Then I would do 6 weeks of a good dose of torem which I love in pct and ran ostarine twice thru the pct and after used an ai. But I never got labs unfortunately after the pct was complete when using osta which makes no sense because you can't go off how you feel but I felt great I was strong I kept my size and my dong was working just fine so I continued the osta and continued to grow on nothing else but food and hard work which my knees and spine are paying for now but in reality I think if I didn't continue to train all the injuries I've had would have left me feeling or walking like an old man in my 30's but instead I still look good and feel decent yea I have some morning aches and pains and what not but SARMS not only can be used during a cycle but are a perfect part of it. In afraid of using generic 5th because of the possibility of the build up of immunities to gh so once I'm done spending cash on serostims I will give the gh sarm a go and again I feel like a moron for not knowing the name but I'll it seems the way to go because your forcing your bodies natural release and what can be better than that. Not to mention it will be a great pct to the serostims. I'm afraid for the guys running so much generic gh and the amount of leftover ecoli that they will become immune to 5th period and nothing will help them if this is as true as it seems so maybe SARMS are better than a generic gh if you can't get the real deal and to me the real deal I want to see come from my local pharmacy. Its to easy to copy anything these days. Presser great post as always my friend. I have been on the boards as much lately and spent most of my time in the homebrew but with peptides and SARMS I think a person could look great without gear. As we age we are losing everything our bodies need to maintain muscle mass and some faster than others. Igf is another that always useful and was also always worked into my pct when I did them but even now it I do a cycle I don't just stop one day then go back to my HRT, I gradually come down and uses SARMS and peptides to help ease the transition and maintain the mass I worked for. Everyone thinks HRT or blast then cruise is an easy route and unless your cruise is a gram of test you might want to think twice. That small dose of test is just to keep you normal when you just came from large amounts. This again is where SARMS and peptides can help maintain and ease the transition. Your body gets use to anything you do so HRT is one I believe it does as well I've tried blasting then just dropping to my HRT dose and its not that simple so if you haven't used SARMS or don't know much about them you really are missing out. GW has some great things it can do but this new one sounds even better. So I need to step my game up and look back into a lot of these as I really haven't read much on them the last couple years so sorry for the semi ignorant post and always long posts. But I agree with you 100% Presser I just wanted to share some of my experience with them.

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Not a semi ignorant post at all brutha! Great post actually!