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highside
08-14-2002, 08:22 PM
I had trouble frontloading and felt like shit. Now that I am feeling good and gained some weight it has stopped. I am past half way through my cycle. I am on 500mg QV enathante and 300mg QV deca. I am training right and eating clean and a lot (around 4000 calories). I sleep about 9 hours a night. I feel stronger, but no gains. My first cycle I did 500mg sust and 400mg EQ. On my first cycle I also used liquidex, which I am not now. I have gained about 12lbs which is probably a lot of water. I waited the amount of time I was on. I dont know what I am doing wrong. I am just about the weight I was when I ended my last cycle. What could I be doing wrong. Did I not do enough. Maybe my body just does not like this gear. I just dont want to start doing to much so I have to do a gram of test a week after a few cycles. Shit I dont know.

Gear101*
08-14-2002, 08:30 PM
what week is half way.. and two quick question.. 1) how's your sleep 2) how's the workouts?

Gear101*
08-14-2002, 08:52 PM
didn't see that.. but 12 lbs in the front part of that cycle isn't that bad.. as long it isn't 24 weeks long.. but if your in week 5 and running to ten,, then you should be able to duoble that growth and some more so you'd be up 24-28 lbs by the time you hit clomd or nolv and that's not bad

highside
08-14-2002, 10:27 PM
I am at the end of week 5. I gained all that and it just seems like it has stopped. My workouts are good. I am getting stronger, just not growing as much. I guess I should just stop bitchin and try to grow more.

highside
08-14-2002, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by Presser
he said 9 hours fooool,lol and i told ya not to frontload enenthate man, but nooooooo, you didnt want to listen to me,lol

I know. I will never do that again. On my next cycle how much will I have to go up in MG. I want to do 600 mg prop and 400mg EQ. Is that enough. O ya, and presser what do you think about me kicking the next cycle off with a little D-bol. LOL

mbstrong
08-15-2002, 08:31 AM
I think you just need to eat a little more bro. If you have time right down what you eat a day. I will then go over it with you and see if we can change some things and kick in some gains. I hate frontloading to. I get better results out of d-bol. Yes some of it is water but you need water to lubricate the joints. The strength and weight I put on with d-bol is great. What ever works for ya.

DecaDent*
08-15-2002, 08:39 AM
Originally posted by Presser
the most kick ass cycle in history would be 100mg tren ed, 150 prop ed, 150mg winny ed, now thats a cycle, you wont recognize your own body in 3 weeks

......Because you'll be bald, waiting on a liver transplant,and pissed off at your grandma...over a gram of winny and test per week...and 700mg tren/week...damn...that cycle come to you in a dream Presser?:confused: :D

Gear101*
08-15-2002, 08:56 AM
i saw that and thought it was on the high side.. winny at 150...

anyway highside the other thing is that the liquidex should help keep the water off alittle so you shouldn't be holding as much water as you would have on other cycles..

DecaDent*
08-15-2002, 09:14 AM
Yeah,overkill...that was a good choice of words. LOL,Not to mention the 5-6cc/day you'd be shooting.OUCH!!
Oh well,I guess thats why you choose to remain a natural........just a little Cell Tech stacked with some Swartzlabs whey protein and your growing!

DecaDent*
08-15-2002, 09:24 AM
You mean to tell me you can drink WINNY!?!?!!
I might have to rethink my whole position on this anabolic stuff if what you're saying is true,after some research.......An all oral cycle of Dbol and winny sounds like the ticket!...or maybe just some of those baseball shaped Andro tabs they have in the McGuire section of GNC.

cybersteffan
08-15-2002, 09:27 AM
Originally posted by Presser
lol, dbol, i think its best administered analy,lol, and the most kick ass cycle in history would be 100mg tren ed, 150 prop ed, 150mg winny ed, now thats a cycle, you wont recognize your own body in 3 weeks

Yeah and maybe you'll drop dead another 3 weeks later!!! LOL :D

cybersteffan
08-15-2002, 09:29 AM
Originally posted by Presser
it would be 4 cc's and 3 pillss of winny daily, hmm, this whole steroid thing is so complictaed, and ur right thats why i remain natural bro, plus i cant afford the stuff

Paleezzz... you are you killing me today. :D I've been laughing my ass of with al your cool posts today!! Keep 'm coming!! :D

TAZ
08-15-2002, 12:32 PM
Originally posted by Presser
lol, dbol, i think its best administered analy,lol, and the most kick ass cycle in history would be 100mg tren ed, 150 prop ed, 150mg winny ed, now thats a cycle, you wont recognize your own body in 3 weeks

Cut all the dosages in half and you have yourself one hell of a cycle. I think if you took that much you would have to wear lead shoes to keep your ass on the gound...lol

-TAZ

cybersteffan
08-15-2002, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by Presser
...hmm, this whole steroid thing is so complictaed...

this just sounded funny

sully
08-15-2002, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by Presser
YOU THINK ITS OVER KILL BRO?
...i dont know much but a pal of mine is doing almost exactly that and is loving the results and jakked as hell...

realcooltime
08-15-2002, 12:49 PM
D bol is the answer. But it 's too late.

Run primo at 200 a week as an anti catabolic. Add the 200 primo.

Eat more, but clean.

And slay the fucking body. You will not make any gains unless you are willing to break your body on a rack and enjoy the torture of every muscle-shredding rep. If you can't do that, you will never make a gain over a piss-bag's worth of water. Torture that fucking body you have and feed it as much as you can. If you can't live up to that, you're done.

It works for me. Try it, you'll see.

ZB

sully
08-15-2002, 12:57 PM
...ding, ding, ding, ...round one...:D

realcooltime
08-15-2002, 01:05 PM
shoulda been run at the beginning of the cycle, conservativley for 3 weeks.

I am referring to the cycle at the beginning of this post.

ZB

realcooltime
08-15-2002, 01:07 PM
slay it

realcooltime
08-15-2002, 01:13 PM
Creatine is junk, but an effective mask for those who are pretending to not be on steroids.

ZB

highside
08-15-2002, 07:09 PM
OK. Here is the deal. I dont understand at all why you would not frontload enthanate. On all other boards the vets talk about doing it and say it only makes since. Now if I am wrong I want to know and please tell me. Enthanate is a long acting ester meaning it has a long half life. It takes it a long time to reach its peak levels in your body. It would normaly take 4-5 weeks for it to reach its peak levels if you used the same amount every week. Now if you frontload it puts you up to your levels by the second week where you will stay the rest of the cycle. This puts you at that level in 2 weeks where as not frontloading takes you 4-5 weeks to reach these levels. Now a few people say frontload prop. I dont understand why. Prop is a fast acting ester. If you take the same amount every week then by the second week it will have reached the levels that you will be at for the rest of the cycle. Now if you frontload prop all you are doing is making your levels skyrocket for two to three weeks and then fall back down to the normal level. What is the point of that. Why would you not frontload a long ester and why would you frontload a short ester.

realcooltime
08-15-2002, 08:16 PM
Dudes, why do you always mess with my head when I am smoking pot?

Avec L'amour

ZB

realcooltime
08-15-2002, 08:54 PM
well hell man my name is ziggy barley after all...dig...cofff...pufff....

sully
08-15-2002, 11:00 PM
Originally posted by highside
OK. Here is the deal. I dont understand at all why you would not frontload enthanate. On all other boards the vets talk about doing it and say it only makes since. Now if I am wrong I want to know and please tell me. Enthanate is a long acting ester meaning it has a long half life. It takes it a long time to reach its peak levels in your body. It would normaly take 4-5 weeks for it to reach its peak levels if you used the same amount every week. Now if you frontload it puts you up to your levels by the second week where you will stay the rest of the cycle. This puts you at that level in 2 weeks where as not frontloading takes you 4-5 weeks to reach these levels. Now a few people say frontload prop. I dont understand why. Prop is a fast acting ester. If you take the same amount every week then by the second week it will have reached the levels that you will be at for the rest of the cycle. Now if you frontload prop all you are doing is making your levels skyrocket for two to three weeks and then fall back down to the normal level. What is the point of that. Why would you not frontload a long ester and why would you frontload a short ester.
...bro i agree with you and thats the only way i have ever heard or seen people do...different strokes for different folks bro...i ALWAYS have read people FL enathate ...i did it off of many bros advice ...but i did not like it either...some do, some do not, just like everything else my friend...

highside
08-15-2002, 11:39 PM
Sully. Have you ever done D-bol at the first of a cycle. If so how did it affect you. I want to do it at the first of my next cycle, but dont want to feel like shit.

mailboxkillR
08-16-2002, 07:14 AM
highside my bro-in-law did D-bol and got good jump start just have to watch bloat Did you drop weight after your last cycle? the last cycle I did t-200/deca I leveled out at mid cycle for a week or two then started gaining again. The only thing I could figure is that you think your eating more than you are not trying to bash you just seen it alot where someone says I'm eating 4000 cals and when I figure it out it's more like 2500. Just an idea.

mbstrong
08-16-2002, 09:56 AM
Highside put down your diet or what you ate yesterday, please dickey,lol,j/k. Like I said I like d-bol better then frontloading.

sully
08-16-2002, 10:06 AM
Originally posted by highside
Sully. Have you ever done D-bol at the first of a cycle. If so how did it affect you. I want to do it at the first of my next cycle, but dont want to feel like shit.
...no bro i have never done d-bol, but like mailbox and MB said, you will be great with the d-bol in the start...and the vast majority that do it feel great and different than a FL...i would defintely do dbol as a jumpstart, over a FL bro, imo...good luck, you live and learn...;)