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italianmonster
09-17-2002, 03:37 PM
Hey bros. I have some concerns about my cycle. Here is what I am doing?

ICN Galenika Test 250 every other day 12 weeks
QV Equipoise 400/week 10 weeks
Thai Dbol 35mg/every day 4 weeks.
Armidex .5mg every other day
Clomid and Nolvadex on hand

This is my first cycle. I started at 205ish, and am currently at 225ish. My concern is that I gained the whole 20 pounds during my first 4 weeks when I was using Dbol. Since then, I have gained nothing. This gear is from 3 different sources, so it would be hard to judge authenticity. I have never heard of fake ICN's, so I am very confused. I am noticing some size increase, but nothing like I expected, being that I am using 750-1000mg of Test a week, and supposedly the best stuff. Does anybody have any comments for me?

By the way, my nutritional intake is fine. I regularly take in 350-400g of protein every day, and lots of calories. I eat clean and healthy. I have checked out ICN pics, and mine are right on with those. I know the DBol's legit, obviously, and the EQ all came shrinkwrapped in the original boxes, all holograms, safety seals, etc. in tact. The only thing I can think is that the ICN's are fake, but I'm not certain. Coments?

jshoty
09-17-2002, 04:54 PM
your doing a gram of test on your first cycle? thats ruff bro

richard721
09-17-2002, 05:00 PM
Thats how all my cycles go. Then the next 4-8 weeks I am just holding the gains and let the body become accustom to the extra weight.

highside
09-17-2002, 05:06 PM
I stopped gaining around week 6 on my first cycle.

DecaDent*
09-17-2002, 05:07 PM
At this point in your cycle, you shed water from comming off the dbol as you also add mass from the increased protein synthesis from the test+eq...so your net weight change is zero,even though your trading water weight for muscle weight.

(+ AR Muscle mass) + (- dbol water)= zero

Use the mirror as much as the scale,I bet your gear is fine.

italianmonster
09-17-2002, 07:36 PM
Thanks bros. I guess I may just be overreacting.

As for the gram of test per week, I know it's harsh for a beginner, but I thought I'd use as much as I could, without going overboard. I had 2 friends who bought some ICN Galenikas and Thai Dbol through me, so I ended up with about 120 ICNs and a couple thousand Dbol, and then they decided they didn't want them anymore, so they just asked for half their money back and I got to keep the gear. So I guess I'll have plenty for future cycles. I haven't gotten any gyno symptoms at all, and I've been using Armidex all the way thru, plus I have Nolva on hand for afterwards. Maybe I should have just stuck with 2 ICNs per week, but I love to inject this shit!

mcinfo
09-17-2002, 09:02 PM
I would think that your first cycle you will have great gains with the need to do that much Test.
I would say 500 is good. Especially if you’re going 12 weeks, that a long time on that much juice for a new guy.

jshoty
09-17-2002, 09:43 PM
you could have gotten alot of the same gains from alot less gear bro.

46and2aheadofme
09-17-2002, 09:50 PM
DecaDent is right on. Don't get discouraged, use the mirror as a measure, not the scale. Forget the scale.
If mass is your overarching goal, don't eat as "clean". Start throwing some extra calories in there, even if it takes some fast food. If you're trying to stay lean, you're right on track bro. 20 lbs is a lot of lean meat. Congratulations and keep hitting the iron hard and eating like a man.

madchemist36
09-17-2002, 11:04 PM
eat like me, eat like a muthafuka. atleast 7,000cals a day.

italianmonster
09-17-2002, 11:56 PM
Thanks for all the advice and comments guys. Yes, I am trying to keep lean, which is the reason for my decision to use EQ instead of Deca. I want to end this cycle at about 8% bodyfat, then after Clomid do some cutting (Clen/ECA) to get somewhere near 5-6%BF, and then do a cycle in another few months of Prop/Deca to put on some more mass. I hope I didn't ruin things by using so much Test this first time. I'd like to use about the same amount next time.

madchemist36
09-18-2002, 12:22 AM
sounds good, u are at 8percent bf. i cannot even imagin finishing a bulking cycle under 15%bf. but your decision sounds very good though.

boking
09-18-2002, 04:38 AM
i'm on my 10th week, i have 2 more weeks, i stoped gaining weight midway, my strength seemed to level off as well, but i am a lot stronger, i love repping 3 plates on each side on bench. gonna suck ass when im off though.

boking
09-18-2002, 04:40 AM
midpoint i decided to max on bench, i hit 365 once. i think i will try it again in 2 weeks at the end of my cycle. wish me luck. i want 375 if not more.