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    Post cycle therapy (PCT)

    When to start HCG , Clomid and Anti-Estrogens – Clomid PCT


    Post cycle therapy is a method of employing drugs which work via various mechanisms to go about trying to aid stabilising and restoring a users hormones back to normal once a suppressive anabolic androgenic steroid cycle has been ceased.

    Once a user has ceased use of anabolic androgenic steroids they are left in a situation where their natural testosterone production has been suppressed , sometimes severely by androgens and aromatising drugs. Add this onto the fact the levels of steroids are forever diminishing in their system, this can leave the user in a very catabolic state post cycle, which may reflect in their ability to maintain muscle mass gained whilst on cycle. It is therefore easy to conclude that we would like to find a way to restore ones natural testosterone production to bring about a better environment for overall health and to maintain muscle tissue.



    Clomid and tamoxifen

    Clomiphene citrate ( clomid) and tamoxifen(nolvadex) can be employed post cycle to aid restoring the users natural testosterone production. Many find just using nolvadex on its own post cycle is efficient enough to recover from their anabolic androgenic steroid cycles. Some however prefer to use both drugs to cover all angles. It is worth noting nolvadex is more profound in stimulating the increase of LH over time, on a milligram to milligram standpoint compared to that of clomid. Also many users complain of side effects from clomid such as visual implications and mood swings.

    Dosages of nolvadex for PCT protocol








    Day 1 100mg
    Following 10 days 60mg
    Following 10 days 40mg




    HCG

    HCG, or Human Chorionic Gonadotrophin, is a peptide hormone which can be useful to bodybuilders who suffer from testicular atrophy whilst on cycle.
    The drug mimics the effects of LH in the body, stimulating the Leydig cells to produce testosterone in the testes. This can be fruitful in rectify existing, or avoiding testicular atrophy on cycle. It will not aid the process of recovery in the post cycle phrase however, as the drug will bring about heightened oestrogen levels due to the greater aromatising of the testosterone being produced in the testes, thus bringing about greater inhibition of the HPTA. It is therefore wise to use HCG for rectify existing, or avoiding testicular atrophy on cycle, and possibly prior to PCT to help bring the testes back up to condition so they are more effective at producing testosterone. We should leave about a week prior to PCT, with any HCG administration occurring before this.
    It is wise to use HCG in smaller frequent amounts over the course of two weeks to help minimise side effects and give more fruitful results. This is usually accompanied by nolvadex at 20-40mg each day to avoid oestrogen related side effects becoming pronounced due to the greater aromatisation occurring. 500-1000IU over a two week period should prove effective interms of results and minimising oestrogen related side effects.



    When to start your PCT protocol after ceasing your cycle?
    Steroid When to start after last administration Length of PCT
    Testosterone Enanthate 2 weeks 3 weeks
    Testosterone Cypionate 2 weeks 3 weeks
    Testosterone Propionate 3 days 3 weeks
    Testosterone Suspension 6-8 hours 3 weeks
    Sustanon 3 weeks 3 weeks
    Winstrol 12 hours 2/3 weeks
    Dianabol 6-8 hours 3 weeks
    Trenbolone 3 days 4 weeks
    Deca durabolan 3 weeks 4 weeks
    Primabolan depot 14 days 2 weeks
    Anavar 8-10 hours 2 weeks
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    When to Start Post Steroid Cycle Therapy ?
    Steroid When to start after last administration Length of PCT
    Testosterone Enanthate 2 weeks 3 weeks
    Testosterone Cypionate 2 weeks 3 weeks
    Testosterone Propionate 3 days 3 weeks
    Testosterone Suspension 6-8 hours 3 weeks
    Sustanon 3 weeks 3 weeks
    Winstrol 12 hours 2/3 weeks
    Dianabol 6-8 hours 3 weeks
    Trenbolone 3 days 4 weeks
    Deca durabolan 3 weeks 4 weeks
    Primabolan depot 14 days 2 weeks
    Anavar 8-10 hours 2 weeks

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    Clomid

    during post steroid cycle therapy seems to be dropping off among steroid users. Anyone know why this is?



    just wanted to float this clomid information to the top and make sure everyone had a reference to work from when coming up on their pct
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    Clomid and Nolvadex Post Steroid Cycle Chart.

    6 Weeks PCT therapy with 2,590mg of clomiphene and 840mg of tamoxifen needed in total for this PCT protocol

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    Why would someone use both Nolva and clomid during PCT as opposed to one or the other? I am assuming that they work via different mechanisms, since nolva is a SARM and Clomid is not.

    Any guru's out there that can break this down?
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    clomid to help jump start your endogenous testosterone, and nolvadex to combat free floating estrogen. Yes two separate mechanisms of action
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    Quote Originally Posted by yellow snow View Post
    Why would someone use both Nolva and clomid during PCT as opposed to one or the other? I am assuming that they work via different mechanisms, since nolva is a SARM and Clomid is not.

    Any guru's out there that can break this down?
    Maybe a typo on the Nolvadex being a SARM, and so there is no confusion to the newbies just learning about post cycle meds and or those reading up on SARMS, in any case, Nolvadex is NOT a SARM (selective androgen receptor modulator) but rather its a SERM (selective ESTROGEN recepptor modulator).

    And Clomid and Nolvadex are both considered SERM.
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    Let me read and compare this to my protocol that I posted a week ago. But just from a quick skim 100mg of Clomid is way too much for me. Iíve seen in written as so before but personally disagree with that dosage.


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    Ok, I read it in full. Very good article. I jumped the gun with the criticism of the Clomid without reading and thinking about it.

    With my approach I run nolva about week 10 of a cycle and run it through pct so it in there good and itís used a gyno defense for me.

    Clomid kills my libido and gives me depression. So I run it in small dose only 4 weeks of the PCT process.

    The crazy thing about PCT is youíre actually play fertilization doctor as your turning back on the Leydig cells and what works for some doesnít for others. This a a standard starting point to go by is pretty much what you will read about everywhere.

    I have my process that got some twist to it that works for me very well...but with each cycle itís a dice roll and A gift of diminishing returns. My test came back at 478 with last PCT. Iíll be happy with 450 to 460 on this one. Itís been a 20 week cycle so letís see how it works.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Maj7900 View Post
    Ok, I read it in full. Very good article. I jumped the gun with the criticism of the Clomid without reading and thinking about it.

    With my approach I run nolva about week 10 of a cycle and run it through pct so it in there good and itís used a gyno defense for me.

    Clomid kills my libido and gives me depression. So I run it in small dose only 4 weeks of the PCT process.

    The crazy thing about PCT is youíre actually play fertilization doctor as your turning back on the Leydig cells and what works for some doesnít for others. This a a standard starting point to go by is pretty much what you will read about everywhere.

    I have my process that got some twist to it that works for me very well...but with each cycle itís a dice roll and A gift of diminishing returns. My test came back at 478 with last PCT. Iíll be happy with 450 to 460 on this one. Itís been a 20 week cycle so letís see how it works.


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    Quote Originally Posted by thx View Post
    How much clomid do you use?
    Does nolva make you depressed as well?
    Nolva has very little effect on my mood but with Clomid 50mg is the highest Iíll run it but usually keep it to 20mg a day. Iíve ran it high and seen no change in my recovery other than more depressed and just all around pissy feeling


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