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    Low dose Steroid cycles - Truth and myth

    If you've read some of my posts on other boards, you probably already have seen that I advocate suggesting low doses for beginners. Why jump into 600mg per week of test as a first or second cycle when it is highly likely you will get great gains using 200-300mg (in initial cycles)?

    I keep seeing people write that 200mg of testosterone per week does nothing more than shut down a man's natural test production and bring him near "normal levels"--this is not quite correct (part of the statement is correct part of it is not). This incorrect statement has endured probably because someone wrote down thier idea/theory of what happens in the body, it sounded good, and other people repeated it. But, it is not correct. Yes, 200mg of a long lasting ester of testosterone will shut down natural test production, BUT the amount of 200mg of a long lasting ester of testosterone is more than twice the "normal levels" of test in the body of a healthy non-steroid using male. Therefore, 200mg of a long lasting ester of testosterone per week is far more than enough to grow on.

    I was paranoid about side effects of testosterone on a normally functioning body, so I had my blood levels checked while on 200-250mg per week. The results of the tests indicated that the amount of testosterone in my blood was more than twice the high end of the normal range (The normal free testosterone range is 50.0-210.0 pg/ml*. My levels were found to be near 550 pg/ml). I also talked to my doctor and UPJOHN nurses a lot about using testosterone at these doses. Here's a brief bit of what I've learned from my doctor, the UPJOHN nursing staff (UPJOHN was the original manufacturer of Depo-testosterone a.k.a Testosterone Cypionate.  The rights of Depo-testosterone was sold to PFIZER which now produces it under the name PHARMACIA), and professional medical documents:

    *--NOTE: pg/ml is the correct unit notation.

    Using a long acting ester testosterone (CYP and ENAN) does not mimic the normally functioning male body's circadian rhythm (daily rise and fall of testosterone). Testosterone, in a normally functioning body, does not explode up to high levels then gradually fall over a 1-2 week period as it does when injecting a testosterone such as CYP or ENAN. On the contrary, the body produces a small amount each day which is far below 200mg (It's around 10mg). That small amount is concentrated at the beginning of the day and then falls low by the end of the day. This process repeats itself every day and by the end of two weeks, a normally functioning body produces approximately 140mg of testosterone (appx. 70mg per week).

    The use of long acting esters are in theory supposed to slowly release the testosterone over a two week period, but this is not quite what happens. To keep it simple, the delay of the esters actually allows large amounts of testosterone to build up--especially if you are taking 200mg every week as opposed to once every two weeks (biweekly) which is what the dose is supposed to be. (I'm simplifying here). Remember the "normally functioning" male produces only (appx.) 70mg per week (=140mg per two weeks). The dose doctors are recommended to perscribe is 200mg every 2 weeks (biweekly), but they tend to give 200mg every week.

    So, it is fallacious reasoning to compare the TOTAL amount of testosterone produced in daily spurts in a normally functioning body over a 2 week period to the same amount of testosterone injected in one shot at the beginning of a week and reshot every week (before the previous week's dose is used up). The latter case (injections once per week) results in an overlap and build up of dose which causes the levels of testosterone to be HIGHER than normal. (Remember the shots should actually be 200mg every TWO weeks--not every week). These excess levels of testosterone are sufficient to build lean body mass faster than the "normally functioning" male.

    In other words: addding up what the average male body produces per week then comparing that to the amount that is shot every week is like comparing apples to oranges. There is a whole diferent set of advantageous reactions happening in the body when it is given a full
    2-week load (200mg) at the beginning of a week as opposed to getting naturally occuring, small, daily spurts of appx 10mg over the same period of time (2 weeks).

    This is why a low dose cycle can yeild REASONABLE gains. Understand, I'm not talking mega-huge-fast gains. I'm talking noticably-faster-than-normal gains, which when coupled with a strict diet, sufficient rest and an excellent bodybuilding work ethic, can yeild large, solid gains (especially early in a person's cycle experience).
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    Damn fine post Presser!!! Exactly what people with little cycle experience need to read and put into practice. Only need to go higher in doseage is when that dose coupled with a very strict diet and training regimen begins to yield less and less in terms of attainable and or desirable results. More times than not, I see folks adjusting their Test dose before turning up the heat on their diet and training. It's just not that easy. If it were, we'd all be little "Arnolds" with very sore site injections....LMAO!!!!!
     

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    Good post Presser.
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    Hi, I'm new here. I found MC when searching for answers to the exact topic of this post. I'm 36, considering my first cycle and was skeptical about the need to start with 500mg/week as suggested by other articles. Having a chemistry background and after having my test levels tested, I analyzed the numbers and felt that 500mg/week is not necessary. After reading this, I now feel much more confident and reassured about my initial skepticism. I think I will start with 200 - 250mg/week. Would an AI still be necessary at this dosage level of either TE or TC?
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    Back when I couldnt afford a whole lot of test at a time I would run about 250 a week and saw some good gains and actually was able to be leaner at that dose. I have specifically played with different esters and the testing of levels of the testosterone and have found that what presser said is true. 200mg week starting out is double the amount of what you actually make and anything more than your body produces should produce gains.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dezy View Post
    Hi, I'm new here. I found MC when searching for answers to the exact topic of this post. I'm 36, considering my first cycle and was skeptical about the need to start with 500mg/week as suggested by other articles. Having a chemistry background and after having my test levels tested, I analyzed the numbers and felt that 500mg/week is not necessary. After reading this, I now feel much more confident and reassured about my initial skepticism. I think I will start with 200 - 250mg/week. Would an AI still be necessary at this dosage level of either TE or TC?
    i would certainly keep one on hand, but not sure you will need it with that dosage, how long did you plan ion running this cycle?

    Also its best to start a new thread in Anabolic Discussion forum for any other questions you might have so more folks will see it and can help

    Lastly WELCOME TO MUSCLECHEMISTRY!
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    Since I see a lot of guys starting their cycles off with giant dosages, and stacking their testosterone with many different steroids, which for a newbie i think just testosterone alone is perfect, anyhow, here is a little first time cycle or newbie to steroids information for you guys!

    I even see some vets of our bodybuilding community here telling newbies to stack 3-4 anabolic & androgenic steroids all at once. Problem is for newbies is you are going to want to know the cause and effect for each new steroid you put into your body. This is not possible when when you are stacking multiple steroids at the same time.

    Learn what works, and at the very least, I suggest to make sure you understand how testosterone feels and works considering it will be your base steroid for most all other cycles in the future, so understanding cause and effect is essential!

    Any questions feel free to ask, or post a new thread asking your questions
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    reiteration on first time cycle goers using lower dosages of testosterone enanthate or cypionate in their cycles, and why higher doses and stacking other hormones with test is a bad idea for the beginner
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    On HRT now, 1cc of cyp per week and have been for years. Going to add sus 250 1 per week as well as adding ifg later this month. What do you think Presser?
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    Quote Originally Posted by drtbear1967 View Post
    On HRT now, 1cc of cyp per week and have been for years. Going to add sus 250 1 per week as well as adding ifg later this month. What do you think Presser?

    Sounds like a solid plan ! How often does your HRT DR TEST UR HORMONE LEVELS?
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    Checks the levels every 6 months. New Doc.
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    thats not too bad for a new doctor, as most want it more frequently dont they
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    Great information.
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