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    The Best Steroid Stacks For Short Cycles.
    Trenbolone Acetate - Testosterone Propionate - Winstrol - IGF 1 lr3

    A short anabolic steroid cycle is generally considered to be no longer than 6 weeks. Short steroid cycles have many benefits over the longer duration anabolic steroid cycles which generally range from 12 weeks to 16 weeks. Many MuscleChemistry members have reported that these shorter cycles have far less side effects and that they arte able to keep their gains better than when they have run the longer cycles. Keep in mind we are talking about cycles that end with equal time off as time that was spent on the gear. So 6 weeks ON then 6 weeks OFF versus 16 weeks ON and 16 weeks OFF.

    For anyone contemplating one of these short anabolic cycles we will go over the best types of steroids to use together as well as the ester half life of the steroid. For instance you would NOT want to use Nandrolone decanoate - Tesosterone Cypionate /Enanthate or Equipoise. All of these steroids are too long acting to benefit from in a short steroid cycle!

    Not only will you want to use short ester steroids like:

    Testosterone Propionate - suspension , Trenbolone acetate, stanozolol (winstrol)

    But its also imperative that your maximize the synergistic effects between the compounds, as Synergy is REAL!

    First Time Steroid Cycler:

    Testosterone Propionate @ 100mg injected EOD (every other day)
    Dianabol @ 25mg ED (every day)



    Second & Third Steroid Cycle:

    Testosterone Propionate @ 150mg injected EOD (every other day)
    Anadrol @ 25mg ED (every day)



    Four or More Steroid Cycle:

    Testosterone Propionate @ 200mg injected EOD (every other day)
    Winstrol @ 50mg ED (every day)
    IGF-1 lr3 @ 30mcg ED (every day)
    Trenbolone Acetate @ 50mg EOD (every other day)

    Testosterone Suspension @ 100mg ED (every day)
    Anavar @ 80mg ED (every day)
    IGF-1 lr3 @ 50mcg ED (every day)
    Trenbolone Acetate @ 50mg EOD (every other day)\

    Trenbolone Acetate @ 100mg ED (every day)
    Testosterone Propionate @ 50mg injected
    ED (every day)
    Winstrol @ 50mg ED (every day)
    IGF-1 lr3 @ 80mcg ED (every day)



    You may also like: Short cycle info

    Short Burst Steroid Cycles - WHY DO THEM?


    #1.
    If you are one of those bro's that does longer cycles, of say 10-12 weeks or more, and then wisely takes an equal amount of time off, and you are tired of loosing so much of your gains post cycle due to the length of the time off...the yoyo affect....then why not try doing shorter cycles with their corresponding shorter off times...... obviously you don't gain as much with a short cycle but then again you don't loose as much post cycle either due to the shorter off time.

    Now... over say a year of doing 4 on 4-6 off you are gong to get very similar results as that seen from doing longer cycles of say 12 "on" 12-14 off but with less yo-yo affect and less sides. In fact most of my clients that do 4-6 week cycles tell me that they are actually getting better gains over a years use.

    #2.
    Do them to have less of a negative impact on ones lipid profile and to have less total time per year with a poor lipid profile.

    Some of you may not know that androgens, taken at even newbie bodybuilding doses, alter everyones lipid profile. Everyone sees their hdl(good cholesterol) take a huge "nosedive" and most also see their ldl(bad cholesterol) go up to some degree but not to the same degree that hdl decreases. Generally hdl decreases 40-70% in as little as 2 weeks and ldl increases an average of 36% in 4 weeks. In my experience this reduction in hdl puts all bro's hdl WELL below the pathological minimum of 35. My ldl does not elevate above the pathological level of 160 but others see ldl's well above 160.
    Lipid levels typically normalize within 3-10 weeks after discontinuation.
    (details taken from article in Medscape)

    #3.
    Do them to decrease liver stress.
    Generally long cycles with non 17aa roids are not that hard on the liver but sometimes one can get into trouble. The short cycle allows for less total stress on the liver and the frequent "off" times allows the liver to regenerate very well.
    Generally a healthy liver can take pretty big "hits" for short periods of time without any problem ...it is long term stress that cause liver damage(as seen with elevated GGT enzyme levels)

    #4.
    Do them if you want to "tone down" your use of steroids.

    #5.
    Do them if you do NOT want to use HCG during a cycle to prevent testicular atrophy. HPTA shut down will be complete in as little as a week "on" but testicualr atrophy is minimal due to the short length of this shut down. This then allows for better HPTA recovery post cycle.
    It is small testes that makes HPTA recovery slow because GnRH from the hypothalamus and LH from the pituitary normally rebound pretty rapidly.
    * There will be some testicular shrinkage in any cycle so if you do 4 "on" 4 "off" for several cycles in a row then it would be a good idea to use hcg at 500iu's every 3rd day while "on" to prevent testicular atrophy...the 4 weeks "off" may not be enough time to allow for complete testicular recovery and over the span of several cycles this may impact your HPTA recovery.

    You certainly can use hcg while on any short cycle to prevent any testicular shrinkage if you like but it really isn't necessary.

    #6.
    Do them if you do not want to see much in the way of water retention and do not want to use an estrogen inhibitor or an ace inhibitor (diuretic)

    #7.
    Do them if you get high blood pressure and do not wish to use the above mentioned ancillaries.

    #8. Do them if you are sick of androgenic sides such as ance, prostate hypertrophy and hair loss(if prone to hair loss) etc etc.
    Androgen sides come on for two reason...dose used and especially length of time "on". I do not get acne until after 4 weeks on and then I get hammered.....and I hate it.

    #9.
    Do them if you are tired of walking around with high estrogen levels for months on end and do not wish to or cannot afford to use an estrogen inhibitor. High estrogen levels are NOT good for the prostate at all!

    You certainly can use estrogen inhibitors if you like if you want to keep estrogen levels down and experience very little water retention.

    WHAT TO EXPECT?
    If one is not yet at ones natural maximum level of muscular developement then very good gains can be seen of up to 15 pounds and 10 pounds kept after a 4 weeker...as long as you train correctly as a natural post cycle.

    If one is off gear and has dropped to ones natural max then a short cycle can add up to 10 pounds. If you take no more than 6 weeks off after each four weeker you will not loose much...then in each successive cycle you can still gain but the gains will be smaller the further you get from your natural max.

    Those that are off cycle and have not yet shrunk down to their natural max can still gain well with successive short cycles but don't expect to win at the national level.

    One of the things I like about short cycles is the short time "off" between cycles.......muscular atrophy is minimal during the off time and you are allowing for frequent bodily normalization after minimal time "on". LESS SIDES IN GENERAL, LESS TIME WITH A SHITTY LIPID PROFILE and LESS MUSCLE LOSS POST CYCLE.

    NOTE: You cannot get "freaky big" in this way...that takes very big doses and spending most of the year, for years on end, on steroids as well as GH and slin, and that my freinds is simply not a good idea unless you plan to make your living as a bodybuilder.

    Getting pretty darn big in small steps is a safer way to use gear IMHO...and it messes less with one head too. Some guys really get depressed during "off" times of 12 or more weeks waiting to start their next cycle.

    GEAR CHOICE and RATIONAL
    The idea behind short cycles is to "get in" quick, hit the androgen receptors hard, get some gains, and then get the hell out as fast as possible so as to minimize sides. So with this in mind one should only use orals and rapid acting/clearing injectables. The limited time "on' simply doesn't justify the use of the "slower" esterfied injectables like deca etc. Also, these same roids take too long to clear the system and that too goes against the philosophy of short cycles.

    The gear choosen should be powerful for best results and doses need to be decent as well in order to get the most from the short time on.
    You can use mild gear like anavar but your results will be reduced.

    BEST Gear
    d-bol
    test prop
    tren
    anadrol

    BEST stacks
    Personally I think d-bol/tren cannot be beat. There is only one roid that is better than testosterone, in the short run, IMHO and that is d-bol...too bad it's 17aa.

    Test prop/tren
    Test prop/tren/winny
    Test prop/anadrol
    Test prop/d-bol

    STACKS AND DOSE EXAMPLES
    I like tren and I like d-bol and especially for a shorty. YES NEWBIE you can use these strong androgens and NO tren is not hard on the kidneys(myth).

    Some guys think I am nuts for recommending tren for a first cycle and they say it is too harsh.... but most of the same bro's will recommend a long cycle of test/d-bol for a newbie and I can assure you that a long cycle of test/d-bol is going to give you more sides than a shorty with tren and d-bol. Bro's test is just as "harsh" as tren and it causes a good deal of water retention, with resultant increase in BP(bad in some bro's) unless you use an estrogen inhibitor....and shit test/d-bol stacks are WAY "harsher" than tren.

    The only issue with tren is the frequent injecting required.....but I know some of you newbies have been researching for a long time and are fine with the idea of frequent injections(they aren't that bad!)

    Novice... TREN/D-BOL....
    Tren 50mg/day for 4 weeks and d-bol 30mg/day in 4 divided doses per day(one right before bed) for 4 weeks.
    Two days after last tren do clomid at 200-300mg on day one in divided doses and then 50-100mg/day for a week and then 50mg a day for 3 more weeks. OR...Nolva at 80mg on day one in divided doses followed by 40mg/day for a week and then 20mg/day for 3 more weeks.
    Have nolva or clomid on hand for gyno protection.

    More advanced...200 of tren on day one as a front load to get tren levels up pronto and then 75mg/day for 4 weeks. D-bol 50mg/day in 4 divided doses for 4 weeks. SERMS as above

    Novice...TEST PROP/TREN
    Test prop 75mg/day for 4 weeks and tren 50mg/day for 4 weeks. Serms as above. Nolva on hand.

    more advanced.....Test prop 300mg on day one and then 100-200mg/day for 4 weeks. Tren 75mg/day. An estrogen inhibitor might be needed.

    MEGA STACK... ADVANCED
    Test prop 300mg on day one and then 100mg /day for 4 weeks, d-bol 50mg/day and tren 75mg/day......LOOK THE HELL OUT! Have the nolva on the tip of your tongue he he he ...arimidex at 1-1.5mg/day would be wise even for the short 4 week period.

    SINGLE STEROIDS
    D-bol really is an unreal roid and as I said it is even better than test in the short run IMHO.
    One can get very nice results from d-bol alone at 50mg/day for 4-6 weeks. Don't take it for longer than 6 weeks though as it is a 17aa roid and as such is somewhat hard on the liver.
    D-bol for 6 weeks at a time was a favorite cycle length in the old days and produced excellent gains.

    Test prop can be run all by itself at 75-200mg/day with great results too.

    OKAY.....BUT YOU SAY YOU ONLY HAVE SUST, EQ, CYP etc ?

    Long chain esterfied roids and tests are not the best choice for the shorty, as explained above, but they can work pretty well IF you do pretty large front loads. FRONT LOADS simply help to get blood hormone levels up more quickly.

    ie: Intermediate user doing test cyp ...do a FRONT LOAD of at least 800mg on day one...then 2 days latter do 400mg and then every 4h day do another 400.
    400 every 4th day is equal to 700mg per week.

    Run the cyp for 4-6 weeks and you'll get some decent gains from it.

    * Best to use tren with this cycle....or d-bol (1 mg of arimidex/day if using d-bol and test)

    * After the last shot of cyp you are going to have to wait for a couple weeks for androgen levels to drop before you start PCT and this is akin to lengthening the cycle.

    BLOOD LIPIDS
    You might want to consider taking the worlds best hdl improver while "on" cycle...NIACIN!
    Nothing even comes close to niacins hdl incresing powers. Personally it has not helped my hdl while "on' nor has it helped my brother-in-laws, but you might see some level of improvement(don't expect a great improvement though since androgens do such a great job of messing with hepatic lipaze)

    Nicain comes in three forms...regular, extended release(Niaspan) and non flush niacin. Niaspan is the best and works well at 1500mg/day taken once daily. Regular niacin works well at 600-1000mg three times a day but it gives a nasty ichy flush for a while after taking each pill.
    Non flush works fairly well at 2-3 grams a day but not as good as the others IMHO.

    Use nicain while "off" for sure as it will rapidly improve your shitty HDL level.
    NOTE*** niacin can be hard on the liver so never use it with acutane which is hard on the liver. You really should have liver panels done if you use niacin for more than 6 weeks and be followed by a doctor especially if you are on steroids as well.
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    The Best Steroid Stacks For Short Cycles.
    Trenbolone Acetate - Testosterone Propionate - Winstrol - IGF 1 lr3

    A short anabolic steroid cycle is generally considered to be no longer than 6 weeks. Short steroid cycles have many benefits over the longer duration anabolic steroid cycles which generally range from 12 weeks to 16 weeks. Many MuscleChemistry members have reported that these shorter cycles have far less side effects and that they arte able to keep their gains better than when they have run the longer cycles. Keep in mind we are talking about cycles that end with equal time off as time that was spent on the gear. So 6 weeks ON then 6 weeks OFF versus 16 weeks ON and 16 weeks OFF.

    For anyone contemplating one of these short anabolic cycles we will go over the best types of steroids to use together as well as the ester half life of the steroid. For instance you would NOT want to use Nandrolone decanoate - Tesosterone Cypionate /Enanthate or Equipoise. All of these steroids are too long acting to benefit from in a short steroid cycle!

    Not only will you want to use short ester steroids like:

    Testosterone Propionate - suspension , Trenbolone acetate, stanozolol (winstrol)

    But its also imperative that your maximize the synergistic effects between the compounds, as Synergy is REAL!

    First Time Steroid Cycler:

    Testosterone Propionate @ 100mg injected EOD (every other day)
    Dianabol @ 25mg ED (every day)



    Second & Third Steroid Cycle:

    Testosterone Propionate @ 150mg injected EOD (every other day)
    Anadrol @ 25mg ED (every day)



    Four or More Steroid Cycle:

    Testosterone Propionate @ 200mg injected EOD (every other day)
    Winstrol @ 50mg ED (every day)
    IGF-1 lr3 @ 30mcg ED (every day)
    Trenbolone Acetate @ 50mg EOD (every other day)

    Testosterone Suspension @ 100mg ED (every day)
    Anavar @ 80mg ED (every day)
    IGF-1 lr3 @ 50mcg ED (every day)
    Trenbolone Acetate @ 50mg EOD (every other day)\

    Trenbolone Acetate @ 100mg ED (every day)
    Testosterone Propionate @ 50mg injected
    ED (every day)
    Winstrol @ 50mg ED (every day)
    IGF-1 lr3 @ 80mcg ED (every day)



    You may also like: Short cycle info

    Short Burst Steroid Cycles - WHY DO THEM?


    #1.
    If you are one of those bro's that does longer cycles, of say 10-12 weeks or more, and then wisely takes an equal amount of time off, and you are tired of loosing so much of your gains post cycle due to the length of the time off...the yoyo affect....then why not try doing shorter cycles with their corresponding shorter off times...... obviously you don't gain as much with a short cycle but then again you don't loose as much post cycle either due to the shorter off time.

    Now... over say a year of doing 4 on 4-6 off you are gong to get very similar results as that seen from doing longer cycles of say 12 "on" 12-14 off but with less yo-yo affect and less sides. In fact most of my clients that do 4-6 week cycles tell me that they are actually getting better gains over a years use.

    #2.
    Do them to have less of a negative impact on ones lipid profile and to have less total time per year with a poor lipid profile.

    Some of you may not know that androgens, taken at even newbie bodybuilding doses, alter everyones lipid profile. Everyone sees their hdl(good cholesterol) take a huge "nosedive" and most also see their ldl(bad cholesterol) go up to some degree but not to the same degree that hdl decreases. Generally hdl decreases 40-70% in as little as 2 weeks and ldl increases an average of 36% in 4 weeks. In my experience this reduction in hdl puts all bro's hdl WELL below the pathological minimum of 35. My ldl does not elevate above the pathological level of 160 but others see ldl's well above 160.
    Lipid levels typically normalize within 3-10 weeks after discontinuation.
    (details taken from article in Medscape)

    #3.
    Do them to decrease liver stress.
    Generally long cycles with non 17aa roids are not that hard on the liver but sometimes one can get into trouble. The short cycle allows for less total stress on the liver and the frequent "off" times allows the liver to regenerate very well.
    Generally a healthy liver can take pretty big "hits" for short periods of time without any problem ...it is long term stress that cause liver damage(as seen with elevated GGT enzyme levels)

    #4.
    Do them if you want to "tone down" your use of steroids.

    #5.
    Do them if you do NOT want to use HCG during a cycle to prevent testicular atrophy. HPTA shut down will be complete in as little as a week "on" but testicualr atrophy is minimal due to the short length of this shut down. This then allows for better HPTA recovery post cycle.
    It is small testes that makes HPTA recovery slow because GnRH from the hypothalamus and LH from the pituitary normally rebound pretty rapidly.
    * There will be some testicular shrinkage in any cycle so if you do 4 "on" 4 "off" for several cycles in a row then it would be a good idea to use hcg at 500iu's every 3rd day while "on" to prevent testicular atrophy...the 4 weeks "off" may not be enough time to allow for complete testicular recovery and over the span of several cycles this may impact your HPTA recovery.

    You certainly can use hcg while on any short cycle to prevent any testicular shrinkage if you like but it really isn't necessary.

    #6.
    Do them if you do not want to see much in the way of water retention and do not want to use an estrogen inhibitor or an ace inhibitor (diuretic)

    #7.
    Do them if you get high blood pressure and do not wish to use the above mentioned ancillaries.

    #8. Do them if you are sick of androgenic sides such as ance, prostate hypertrophy and hair loss(if prone to hair loss) etc etc.
    Androgen sides come on for two reason...dose used and especially length of time "on". I do not get acne until after 4 weeks on and then I get hammered.....and I hate it.

    #9.
    Do them if you are tired of walking around with high estrogen levels for months on end and do not wish to or cannot afford to use an estrogen inhibitor. High estrogen levels are NOT good for the prostate at all!

    You certainly can use estrogen inhibitors if you like if you want to keep estrogen levels down and experience very little water retention.

    WHAT TO EXPECT?
    If one is not yet at ones natural maximum level of muscular developement then very good gains can be seen of up to 15 pounds and 10 pounds kept after a 4 weeker...as long as you train correctly as a natural post cycle.

    If one is off gear and has dropped to ones natural max then a short cycle can add up to 10 pounds. If you take no more than 6 weeks off after each four weeker you will not loose much...then in each successive cycle you can still gain but the gains will be smaller the further you get from your natural max.

    Those that are off cycle and have not yet shrunk down to their natural max can still gain well with successive short cycles but don't expect to win at the national level.

    One of the things I like about short cycles is the short time "off" between cycles.......muscular atrophy is minimal during the off time and you are allowing for frequent bodily normalization after minimal time "on". LESS SIDES IN GENERAL, LESS TIME WITH A SHITTY LIPID PROFILE and LESS MUSCLE LOSS POST CYCLE.

    NOTE: You cannot get "freaky big" in this way...that takes very big doses and spending most of the year, for years on end, on steroids as well as GH and slin, and that my freinds is simply not a good idea unless you plan to make your living as a bodybuilder.

    Getting pretty darn big in small steps is a safer way to use gear IMHO...and it messes less with one head too. Some guys really get depressed during "off" times of 12 or more weeks waiting to start their next cycle.

    GEAR CHOICE and RATIONAL
    The idea behind short cycles is to "get in" quick, hit the androgen receptors hard, get some gains, and then get the hell out as fast as possible so as to minimize sides. So with this in mind one should only use orals and rapid acting/clearing injectables. The limited time "on' simply doesn't justify the use of the "slower" esterfied injectables like deca etc. Also, these same roids take too long to clear the system and that too goes against the philosophy of short cycles.

    The gear choosen should be powerful for best results and doses need to be decent as well in order to get the most from the short time on.
    You can use mild gear like anavar but your results will be reduced.

    BEST Gear
    d-bol
    test prop
    tren
    anadrol

    BEST stacks
    Personally I think d-bol/tren cannot be beat. There is only one roid that is better than testosterone, in the short run, IMHO and that is d-bol...too bad it's 17aa.

    Test prop/tren
    Test prop/tren/winny
    Test prop/anadrol
    Test prop/d-bol

    STACKS AND DOSE EXAMPLES
    I like tren and I like d-bol and especially for a shorty. YES NEWBIE you can use these strong androgens and NO tren is not hard on the kidneys(myth).

    Some guys think I am nuts for recommending tren for a first cycle and they say it is too harsh.... but most of the same bro's will recommend a long cycle of test/d-bol for a newbie and I can assure you that a long cycle of test/d-bol is going to give you more sides than a shorty with tren and d-bol. Bro's test is just as "harsh" as tren and it causes a good deal of water retention, with resultant increase in BP(bad in some bro's) unless you use an estrogen inhibitor....and shit test/d-bol stacks are WAY "harsher" than tren.

    The only issue with tren is the frequent injecting required.....but I know some of you newbies have been researching for a long time and are fine with the idea of frequent injections(they aren't that bad!)

    Novice... TREN/D-BOL....
    Tren 50mg/day for 4 weeks and d-bol 30mg/day in 4 divided doses per day(one right before bed) for 4 weeks.
    Two days after last tren do clomid at 200-300mg on day one in divided doses and then 50-100mg/day for a week and then 50mg a day for 3 more weeks. OR...Nolva at 80mg on day one in divided doses followed by 40mg/day for a week and then 20mg/day for 3 more weeks.
    Have nolva or clomid on hand for gyno protection.

    More advanced...200 of tren on day one as a front load to get tren levels up pronto and then 75mg/day for 4 weeks. D-bol 50mg/day in 4 divided doses for 4 weeks. SERMS as above

    Novice...TEST PROP/TREN
    Test prop 75mg/day for 4 weeks and tren 50mg/day for 4 weeks. Serms as above. Nolva on hand.

    more advanced.....Test prop 300mg on day one and then 100-200mg/day for 4 weeks. Tren 75mg/day. An estrogen inhibitor might be needed.

    MEGA STACK... ADVANCED
    Test prop 300mg on day one and then 100mg /day for 4 weeks, d-bol 50mg/day and tren 75mg/day......LOOK THE HELL OUT! Have the nolva on the tip of your tongue he he he ...arimidex at 1-1.5mg/day would be wise even for the short 4 week period.

    SINGLE STEROIDS
    D-bol really is an unreal roid and as I said it is even better than test in the short run IMHO.
    One can get very nice results from d-bol alone at 50mg/day for 4-6 weeks. Don't take it for longer than 6 weeks though as it is a 17aa roid and as such is somewhat hard on the liver.
    D-bol for 6 weeks at a time was a favorite cycle length in the old days and produced excellent gains.

    Test prop can be run all by itself at 75-200mg/day with great results too.

    OKAY.....BUT YOU SAY YOU ONLY HAVE SUST, EQ, CYP etc ?

    Long chain esterfied roids and tests are not the best choice for the shorty, as explained above, but they can work pretty well IF you do pretty large front loads. FRONT LOADS simply help to get blood hormone levels up more quickly.

    ie: Intermediate user doing test cyp ...do a FRONT LOAD of at least 800mg on day one...then 2 days latter do 400mg and then every 4h day do another 400.
    400 every 4th day is equal to 700mg per week.

    Run the cyp for 4-6 weeks and you'll get some decent gains from it.

    * Best to use tren with this cycle....or d-bol (1 mg of arimidex/day if using d-bol and test)

    * After the last shot of cyp you are going to have to wait for a couple weeks for androgen levels to drop before you start PCT and this is akin to lengthening the cycle.

    BLOOD LIPIDS
    You might want to consider taking the worlds best hdl improver while "on" cycle...NIACIN!
    Nothing even comes close to niacins hdl incresing powers. Personally it has not helped my hdl while "on' nor has it helped my brother-in-laws, but you might see some level of improvement(don't expect a great improvement though since androgens do such a great job of messing with hepatic lipaze)

    Nicain comes in three forms...regular, extended release(Niaspan) and non flush niacin. Niaspan is the best and works well at 1500mg/day taken once daily. Regular niacin works well at 600-1000mg three times a day but it gives a nasty ichy flush for a while after taking each pill.
    Non flush works fairly well at 2-3 grams a day but not as good as the others IMHO.

    Use nicain while "off" for sure as it will rapidly improve your shitty HDL level.
    NOTE*** niacin can be hard on the liver so never use it with acutane which is hard on the liver. You really should have liver panels done if you use niacin for more than 6 weeks and be followed by a doctor especially if you are on steroids as well.
    Very good post!

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    On burst short... into TRT cruise
    Trt dose thru out
    6 weeks
    Test prop 50mg a day
    Tren ace 75mg a day
    Mast p 100mg a day
    Adrol 50mg 4 weeks of it or 6 at 25mg

    Or use test p 100mg a day
    Rest same plus npp 65mg a day

    Personally I like Anavar and don't use much liver toxic stuff...



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    My 7 week cycle with 100mg test prop eod + 50-75mg tbol was one of the best cycles I ever did. No need for HCG, recovery is really fast.
    I got sick the last week of my cycle so I had to recover from that as well.

    My summer cycle is going to be a 6 week cycle.
    150mg test prop EOD and some orals, winny or tbol.

    I'm going to try to do short burst cycles for a year after that. I'm only going to be taking 150mg of test prop EOD at most. I'll add orals instead and maybe some low dose tren and/or primo.
    Hopefully the recovery from the heavy cycle is as fast as from the lighter one.

    6 weeks on 4-6 weeks off depending on how fast I recovered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muscle mechanic View Post
    On burst short... into TRT cruise
    Trt dose thru out
    6 weeks
    Test prop 50mg a day
    Tren ace 75mg a day
    Mast p 100mg a day
    Adrol 50mg 4 weeks of it or 6 at 25mg

    Or use test p 100mg a day
    Rest same plus npp 65mg a day
    MINUS TREN!!!!!!

    Personally I like Anavar and don't use much liver toxic stuff...



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    I edited quote above.
    In my example replace tren with NPP
    In second example!!

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    This is what I would recommend

    On short burst I feel there are serveral approaches!!!

    First is to use higher doses of the Basic short esters that work!!! And an oral!!
    In this first approach growth is the goal!!

    So gear would be
    - Test prop or test ace plus test base 100-150mg test total per day!!!!
    - Tren ace 75mg to 100mg a day but if test high use tren 1/4 ratio lower than test... they can be equal at 75mg both a day but sides happen for me... but I have ran 3 bottles of test/tren/mast(300) 100 of a day that's 30 days worth. It worked!!!
    - Anadrol 50mg a day or 25mg better to use injectable Anadrol at 25mg a day 6 weeks total Anadrol here.

    - IGF 1 lr3 (MC STYLE BABY) 60-80mcg split bilateral in muscles worked eat something before workout (preworkout meal) and use IGF after right before training. Eat within 20 minutes after workout.

    Al's chose 1
    - Adex yes!!! Start with 0.5mg 3x week but prolly will need to be 0.5mg eod!!
    - Letro can be chosen in place if adex if u know how to dose it, dialing it in correct will do same as adex with no more sides!! Potential to lower more is only difference with letro!!
    - Aromasin 12.5mg to 25mg eod in that stack!!!
    When coming off gear be sure adex and letro are tapered properly so enzymes bound to and metabolites are excreted from body!! This is rebound or enzymes that could rebound....

    - Nolva I would use it for sure 10mg a day and then bump it last week and for a bit after....

    Next approach growth is goal this is for blast and cruise because trest ace will be used!!! Trest ace suppressive. This for TRT person I recommend!!!

    Gear bulk the goal
    - continued TRT dose thru and keep doing TRT dose after the blast.
    - Test prop or Test ace 75mg a day
    - Trest ace 25mg to 50mg everyday or more if u can staff off sides.
    - Anadrol 50mg a day 6 weeks. Choose injectable at 25mg or better if possible
    - NPP can be added but not necessary it's option if so 65mg to 75mg a day!!!

    -Cabar 0.5mg 2x wk with trest and npp 0.25mg cabar may be enough too...

    - Aromasin 25mg eod will work have letro on hand get ON TOP estro from gate if using trest ace at 25mg to 50mg. Example use Letro at 1.25mg 3x week 1 then use Aromasin 25mg eod!!! Did this myself!!!

    - Nolva 10mg a day and continue a bit with TRT dose after.

    - IGF-1 lr3 (MC Style Baby))!!! 60-80mcg split bilateral in muscles worked. Use before training right before training after prework meal and eat within 20 minutes after training!!!

    After the course use TRT dose stay on nolva a bit and taper AI's Aromasin here. Use Aromasin one week after at reduced dose!! Then maintaince dose or switch to adex!!!

    This one above as stated NPP can be added or Test can be upped minus Trest and do only test and NPP.... with longer PhenylProp ester in NPP it's not a concern with TRT.
    If this done with NPP and not on trt use test prop 6 days longer than NPP...


    Another approach to short burst...
    If on TRT..
    This is short burst blast and cruise with hgh and IGF.
    So TRT dose will remain 150mg a week Test cyp plus Hgh 3.3iu a day this is with intention hgh will be used long term like 12 months at min...
    This is a burst blast then a cruise with hgh
    Plus primo or DHB....

    At blast here we go..... 6 weeks of this then 8-12 weeks cruise.
    - TRT dose 150mg cyp week
    - Test prop 50mg a day
    - Trest ace 25mg everyday
    - NPP 65mg a day
    Oral
    - Epistane 45mg a day or Anadrol 25mg a day.

    - HGH 5iu a day on blast
    - IGF 60-80mcg split bilateral in muscles worked
    - AI of course Nolva 10mg a day plus Adex or Aromasin dose depending...

    During 6 weeks around week 4 add in primo at 525mg a week or DHB at 500mg per week.
    After finished 6 weeks continue this
    - TRT 150mg wk
    - DHB or primo either around 400-600wk
    -Anavar 50mg a day
    - HGH 3.3iu a day
    - AI of choice for estro control!!
    Use this for 8 weeks then burst again with whatever is the new goal ATM!!
    Next burst can be light and keep primo long term. DHB I am trying longer run doing labs and seeing if I can use at 300-400 so long term in place if primo a long TRT dose...
    Example of next burst with this blast and cruise could be.... but with cruising gear too of course...
    - TRT 150mg cyp wk
    - Test prop 50mg a day
    - Tren ace 75mg a day
    - Mast p 100mg a day
    - either keep DHB in or switch to primo during burst to go back and forth from DHB to Primo for longer cruise periods
    - Oral drop anavar add Proviron at 50-75mg a day.
    - HGH 5iu in blast back to 3.3iu in cruise
    - IGF 60-80MCG same route I choose
    - AI ??? Not much needed here for myself adex 0.5mg 2x wk will work

    After this cut blast cruise again the way shown... no anavar this next cruise. Example is to do Cruise switching from DHB to Primo for cruise switching during burst blast but cruises can last longer like 8-12 weeks before burst 6 week blast...
    I shown alternating between a lean bulk burst to a cut burst...... then cruise with hgh at 3.3iu and having primo one cruise then DHB next cruise.... Anavar during some a cruise per year for example.
    This very cruise and burst blast above I will do myself after January and time correct cruise for labs TRT.... this is my plan!!!
    Hope I made sense!!!

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    How about....
    Test prop 50mg ED 1-8
    Anadrol 50mg ED 1-4
    NPP 50mg ED 4-8
    TRT 150mg week
    Proviron 50mg ED 4-8

    Not sure the NPP and Proviron are timed correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by blacktail View Post
    How about....
    Test prop 50mg ED 1-8
    Anadrol 50mg ED 1-4
    NPP 50mg ED 4-8
    TRT 150mg week
    Proviron 50mg ED 4-8

    Not sure the NPP and Proviron are timed correct?
    They fine...
    Perfect actually

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muscle mechanic View Post
    They fine...
    Perfect actually

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    But use NPP 2-6..
    If u only Gonna use it 4 weeks up dose range to 525-600 even 700 week on 4 week run!!! Before sides start from hormones and become apparent u will go back on TRT cruise so u good.

    I already ran deca at 1600 week 1 and 800 wk for 6 weeks and was lean and full.
    I use 500mg Pharma test wk then bumped to 750mg...
    This worked great. Had bloods due in 4 months so pounded it also I used 30mg Epistane 40 days...
    It's worked awsome and NO SIDES or bloat.
    Used letro 0.6mg eod wk had everclear bottle full to make 1 gram at 4mg/ml.
    Used that letro 2 years before it got weak.
    All good lipids too.

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    Great info guys.
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    I just wanted to bring this post back around because I find it to include some great info!

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