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    Default Bromocriptine to combat trenbolone related side effects.

    Bromocriptine to combat trenbolone related side effects.

    Bromo(2.5mgs/day) WILL take care of 99% of all Fina gyno sufferers.


    Thats my assessment.

    Oh, and drop the Vitex in the garbage. WORTHLESS.

    Fina is a VERY POWERFUL anti-glucocorticoid, so what
    exactly does it do to reduce endogeneous cortisone
    levels?

    There is only ONE mechanism:

    A reduction in the TOTAL Free T4 and T3 levels within the
    body.

    T3 is HIGHLY catabolic to muscle, therefore by reducing it by(
    take 45% as shown by Nandi as an example), you are
    exerting a ridiculously high protein-sparing effect.

    YES, thats right, Fina is not THAT anabolic IN VIVO, it is
    far, and I do mean FAR more of an ANTI-CATABOLIC
    AAS than anything else.

    Ok, now lets back-track to the problem at hand.

    TSH has been reduced by the trenbolone, which in
    turns signals the thyroid to reduce endogeneously
    produced levels of T3 and T4.

    This reduction(As Nandi mentioned) causes a VERY
    sharp drop in free T3 levels because of the reduction
    in both the endogeneously produced T4 and T3.
    (Remember that 80% of the free T3 is produced from
    the metabolically inactive T4)

    These dimished levels of T3,T4 cause Thyrotropin Releasing
    Hormone(TRH) to become OVER-STIMULATED.

    In essence, this is your bodies feed-back loop to reduced
    thyroid hormones, due to a GLUCO-CORTICOID suppresive
    effect. This is however NOT like hypothyroidic patients
    who have a naturally defective(or damaged) thyroid.

    When TRH becomes over-stimulated the net effect is
    a VERY sharp increase in prolactin levels.

    Critical here.....

    I.E. YOU BEGIN TO LACTATE!!!!!

    Now, herein lies the problem. Everybody is bio-chemically
    different, therefore the TRH increase is EXTREMELY
    broad-spectrum.

    While someone will stimulate TRH say X% and ultimately
    cause a rise in prolactin of say Y% with a daily
    dosage of 50mg ED of Fina, another person will
    cause a 2X% rise in TRH and 2Y+% rise in prolactin
    which will invariably lead to gyno.

    This is just genetics. Nothing can be done about this.

    However, there are ways to combat prolactin-elevations:

    This btw, HAS TO BE EXACT. If you over-dose you cause
    a progestenic shift due to severely inhibited prolactin levels,
    or if you under-dose you run the risk of getting prolactin
    induced gyno.

    As a note: PROGESTERONE does NOT, I repeat NOT come into
    play with Fina at all. It only becomes into play when you're
    trying to inhibit prolactin synthetically.

    The only thing that can combat Fina-induced Gyno is:

    1. 2.5mgs Bromocriptine broken down to 1.25mgs 2X/day
    AM and PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Presser View Post
    Bromocriptine to combat trenbolone related side effects.

    Bromo(2.5mgs/day) WILL take care of 99% of all Fina gyno sufferers.


    Thats my assessment.

    Oh, and drop the Vitex in the garbage. WORTHLESS.

    Fina is a VERY POWERFUL anti-glucocorticoid, so what
    exactly does it do to reduce endogeneous cortisone
    levels?

    There is only ONE mechanism:

    A reduction in the TOTAL Free T4 and T3 levels within the
    body.

    T3 is HIGHLY catabolic to muscle, therefore by reducing it by(
    take 45% as shown by Nandi as an example), you are
    exerting a ridiculously high protein-sparing effect.

    YES, thats right, Fina is not THAT anabolic IN VIVO, it is
    far, and I do mean FAR more of an ANTI-CATABOLIC
    AAS than anything else.

    Ok, now lets back-track to the problem at hand.

    TSH has been reduced by the trenbolone, which in
    turns signals the thyroid to reduce endogeneously
    produced levels of T3 and T4.

    This reduction(As Nandi mentioned) causes a VERY
    sharp drop in free T3 levels because of the reduction
    in both the endogeneously produced T4 and T3.
    (Remember that 80% of the free T3 is produced from
    the metabolically inactive T4)

    These dimished levels of T3,T4 cause Thyrotropin Releasing
    Hormone(TRH) to become OVER-STIMULATED.

    In essence, this is your bodies feed-back loop to reduced
    thyroid hormones, due to a GLUCO-CORTICOID suppresive
    effect. This is however NOT like hypothyroidic patients
    who have a naturally defective(or damaged) thyroid.

    When TRH becomes over-stimulated the net effect is
    a VERY sharp increase in prolactin levels.

    Critical here.....

    I.E. YOU BEGIN TO LACTATE!!!!!

    Now, herein lies the problem. Everybody is bio-chemically
    different, therefore the TRH increase is EXTREMELY
    broad-spectrum.

    While someone will stimulate TRH say X% and ultimately
    cause a rise in prolactin of say Y% with a daily
    dosage of 50mg ED of Fina, another person will
    cause a 2X% rise in TRH and 2Y+% rise in prolactin
    which will invariably lead to gyno.

    This is just genetics. Nothing can be done about this.

    However, there are ways to combat prolactin-elevations:

    This btw, HAS TO BE EXACT. If you over-dose you cause
    a progestenic shift due to severely inhibited prolactin levels,
    or if you under-dose you run the risk of getting prolactin
    induced gyno.

    As a note: PROGESTERONE does NOT, I repeat NOT come into
    play with Fina at all. It only becomes into play when you're
    trying to inhibit prolactin synthetically.

    The only thing that can combat Fina-induced Gyno is:

    1. 2.5mgs Bromocriptine broken down to 1.25mgs 2X/day
    AM and PM.
    Mucuna pruriens I would say probably work better bromocriptine at a fraction of the price when it comes to stopping prolactin levels from getting to high. Why? They are full of L dopamine an amino acid and the body converts L-Dopa into the neurotransmitter dopamine. Dopamine stop prolactin levels from getting high.


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    What does bromocriptine give us that cabor does not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by yellow snow View Post
    What does bromocriptine give us that cabor does not?
    Very good question..

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