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    by Geoff Roberts
    The question, “Why do all the good supplements get taken off the shelf?” is one that I and anyone else who works in the supplement industry hears on a weekly basis. The answer to this question, for anyone heavily invested in this industry, should be easy to come by. However, for the average person who, devastatingly enough, gets their information from the media or any other “mainstream” source, the answer is not so clear.


    Let us establish right off the bat that the media or any other mainstream source of information is rarely truth, period. They are simply persuasive forms of education which teach whatever the people or industries with the most money want the public to be taught. Let us not forget that the media once “taught” us that marijuana was as dangerous a drug as any other illicit street drug and far more dangerous than alcohol. Assuming a person has a functioning brain, surely they fully understand the extent to which alcohol is more dangerous than marijuana. Marijuana is responsible for so few deaths that they are not even worth mentioning, while alcohol on the other hand will kill hundreds of people in the time it takes to read this article. Yet, there are still people out there who will argue that marijuana is more dangerous than alcohol, further proving the power and inaccuracy of mainstream information. This is merely one of countless examples. These points will be of use later on as we answer the common question of why “good” supplements are removed from the market.


    The main reason that many effective supplements are pulled from the market is simple in theory. Generally speaking, a person who uses supplements is far less likely to need prescription drugs, due to the fact that many supplements aid a person’s condition or “health” in a similar fashion too pharmaceuticals. This is substantial because this takes money directly out of the pharmaceutical company’s pockets. Unfortunately, the Food and Drug Association, which is in major part responsible for the banning of supplements, is in bed with these large pharmaceutical companies. This is due to multiple factors, including the actuality that FDA earns much of its profit from the “regulation” of these pharmaceutical drugs and little to none from the supplement industry. A good analogy would be to think of the pharmaceutical industry as being the oil and gas companies while the supplement industry are the people making electric cars or solar powered cars. They are quintessential opponents in every sense of the word. Unfortunately for the supplement industry, the power of the pharmaceutical industry in comparison is like matching an F-18 Hornet with a Red Rider BB gun. The supplement industry is essentially rendered helpless at the hands of the pharmaceutical industry, FDA, and their central outlet, mainstream media.


    Supplements that have felt the FDA’s wrath in the last decade or so include ephedra, 1,3 dimethyl, and Hydroxycut Hardcore. The most comical of these bannings is without question Hydroxycut. The fact that over nine million people were using it and they could only find 30 or so cases of liver stress is laughable enough, but the media reported that the ingredient hydroxycitric acid was responsible for causing these liver issues. Fast forward roughly four years and Dr. God, err umm Oz, claims on his show that Garcinia Cambogia (the source of hydroxycitric acid) is a “new” miracle weight loss ingredient which melts away body fat without diet or exercise. So at this point you have the same people who four years earlier rushed into their local vitamin store furious that they would sell such a “dangerous” product, coming in for the same exact product that put them in such grave danger in the first place! Good old mainstream information and its sheep-like followers.


    1,3 Dimethyl is another recent victim of the pharmaceutical companies and FDA. Tens of thousands of people used this product for a general pick me up, fat loss, and pre-workout stimulant for years, with no real issues to speak of. Suddenly, when 1,3 reached its peak popularity, a few soldiers apparently suffered from heart attacks with this ingredient in their systems. To recap, tens of millions of regular people, teenagers, couch potatoes, elite athletes, etc. take this supplement for several years void of any problems then suddenly multiple soldiers, only soldiers, have heart attacks from the stuff at for all intents and purposes, the same time. This should reek of fishiness like a Japanese fish market to any logical thinking individual.


    Circling back to the media, both of these cases were put on constant display by the media and newspapers. Due to the fantastically efficient level of brainwashing the media has bestowed on the general public, very few people were able to see past the emotion evoking “DEATH” statements and think critically about the situation. Where were the people questioning why only soldiers had heart attacks from 1,3, while millions upon millions of other people used it without issue? Few people questioned why Hydroxycut was banned after a number of “alleged” deaths measured in the single digits, while alcohol is completely legal as it kills thousands of people per day. The desired side effect (no pun intended) of this media induced fear of these specific products is a generalized fear of the entire supplement industry. The same industry responsible for less than one death per year, while pharmaceutical drugs account for millions of deaths on a yearly basis. Once again representing the stranglehold mainstream outlets have on the easily manipulated minds of the general public.


    In a nutshell, some supplements are too effective and get too popular for their own good. At a certain point of popularity, the witch hunt begins with the task of finding arbitrary links between this supplement and serious side effects or even death, similar to linking apples to death because a person dies in their home with apples in their cupboard. Do not be surprised if you favorite supplement, which is perfectly safe, suddenly starts slaughtering people and gets pulled from the market. In closing, next time you are watching or reading any form of mainstream information, it may behoove you to stop and switch your information source to a Dr. Seuss book in order to possibly find some truth.
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    It's all because the government sticks their nose into our business. There have been many supplements that I've used that worked incredibly well, but because 1 or 2 retards abuse it, or because they die and have it in their system, now it's dangerous and they have to take it away, because their family sues and makes a big deal out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeatherHead View Post
    It's all because the government sticks their nose into our business. There have been many supplements that I've used that worked incredibly well, but because 1 or 2 retards abuse it, or because they die and have it in their system, now it's dangerous and they have to take it away, because their family sues and makes a big deal out of it.
    Preach on Brother!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by drtbear1967 View Post
    What Happened To Your Favorite Supplement?


    by Geoff Roberts
    The question, “Why do all the good supplements get taken off the shelf?” is one that I and anyone else who works in the supplement industry hears on a weekly basis. The answer to this question, for anyone heavily invested in this industry, should be easy to come by. However, for the average person who, devastatingly enough, gets their information from the media or any other “mainstream” source, the answer is not so clear.


    Let us establish right off the bat that the media or any other mainstream source of information is rarely truth, period. They are simply persuasive forms of education which teach whatever the people or industries with the most money want the public to be taught. Let us not forget that the media once “taught” us that marijuana was as dangerous a drug as any other illicit street drug and far more dangerous than alcohol. Assuming a person has a functioning brain, surely they fully understand the extent to which alcohol is more dangerous than marijuana. Marijuana is responsible for so few deaths that they are not even worth mentioning, while alcohol on the other hand will kill hundreds of people in the time it takes to read this article. Yet, there are still people out there who will argue that marijuana is more dangerous than alcohol, further proving the power and inaccuracy of mainstream information. This is merely one of countless examples. These points will be of use later on as we answer the common question of why “good” supplements are removed from the market.


    The main reason that many effective supplements are pulled from the market is simple in theory. Generally speaking, a person who uses supplements is far less likely to need prescription drugs, due to the fact that many supplements aid a person’s condition or “health” in a similar fashion too pharmaceuticals. This is substantial because this takes money directly out of the pharmaceutical company’s pockets. Unfortunately, the Food and Drug Association, which is in major part responsible for the banning of supplements, is in bed with these large pharmaceutical companies. This is due to multiple factors, including the actuality that FDA earns much of its profit from the “regulation” of these pharmaceutical drugs and little to none from the supplement industry. A good analogy would be to think of the pharmaceutical industry as being the oil and gas companies while the supplement industry are the people making electric cars or solar powered cars. They are quintessential opponents in every sense of the word. Unfortunately for the supplement industry, the power of the pharmaceutical industry in comparison is like matching an F-18 Hornet with a Red Rider BB gun. The supplement industry is essentially rendered helpless at the hands of the pharmaceutical industry, FDA, and their central outlet, mainstream media.


    Supplements that have felt the FDA’s wrath in the last decade or so include ephedra, 1,3 dimethyl, and Hydroxycut Hardcore. The most comical of these bannings is without question Hydroxycut. The fact that over nine million people were using it and they could only find 30 or so cases of liver stress is laughable enough, but the media reported that the ingredient hydroxycitric acid was responsible for causing these liver issues. Fast forward roughly four years and Dr. God, err umm Oz, claims on his show that Garcinia Cambogia (the source of hydroxycitric acid) is a “new” miracle weight loss ingredient which melts away body fat without diet or exercise. So at this point you have the same people who four years earlier rushed into their local vitamin store furious that they would sell such a “dangerous” product, coming in for the same exact product that put them in such grave danger in the first place! Good old mainstream information and its sheep-like followers.


    1,3 Dimethyl is another recent victim of the pharmaceutical companies and FDA. Tens of thousands of people used this product for a general pick me up, fat loss, and pre-workout stimulant for years, with no real issues to speak of. Suddenly, when 1,3 reached its peak popularity, a few soldiers apparently suffered from heart attacks with this ingredient in their systems. To recap, tens of millions of regular people, teenagers, couch potatoes, elite athletes, etc. take this supplement for several years void of any problems then suddenly multiple soldiers, only soldiers, have heart attacks from the stuff at for all intents and purposes, the same time. This should reek of fishiness like a Japanese fish market to any logical thinking individual.


    Circling back to the media, both of these cases were put on constant display by the media and newspapers. Due to the fantastically efficient level of brainwashing the media has bestowed on the general public, very few people were able to see past the emotion evoking “DEATH” statements and think critically about the situation. Where were the people questioning why only soldiers had heart attacks from 1,3, while millions upon millions of other people used it without issue? Few people questioned why Hydroxycut was banned after a number of “alleged” deaths measured in the single digits, while alcohol is completely legal as it kills thousands of people per day. The desired side effect (no pun intended) of this media induced fear of these specific products is a generalized fear of the entire supplement industry. The same industry responsible for less than one death per year, while pharmaceutical drugs account for millions of deaths on a yearly basis. Once again representing the stranglehold mainstream outlets have on the easily manipulated minds of the general public.


    In a nutshell, some supplements are too effective and get too popular for their own good. At a certain point of popularity, the witch hunt begins with the task of finding arbitrary links between this supplement and serious side effects or even death, similar to linking apples to death because a person dies in their home with apples in their cupboard. Do not be surprised if you favorite supplement, which is perfectly safe, suddenly starts slaughtering people and gets pulled from the market. In closing, next time you are watching or reading any form of mainstream information, it may behoove you to stop and switch your information source to a Dr. Seuss book in order to possibly find some truth.
    I wouldn’t use the word “bestowed” lmao, but point taken and great read, Just Like the other 500 or so Articles I have read on this EXACT SUBJECT, SAYING EXACTLY THE SAME THING over the last idk 15 years or so...!

    Now to my point, lol, which isn’t what you likely think it is, as I am NOT bashing the Author for writing the same shit we have all read countless times! My point is, or rather what I have taken notice of is that We, You, Me, and The Supplement Industry Are Always crying about this type of bullshit, and many authors over many years have written many articles on the same exact thing, But.....what have we done about it? What can we do about it? Thats what I want to start reading about! Sure this type of information is important to write about for the newer generation who might not understand how things work yet, but for guys like myself, who live and breath a healthy lifestyle where its not just a phase, but a way of life, what are we going to do about it? Thats what I want to start reading about, ideas that can become actions!

    I know, Presser, your such a Debby downer, or maybe Presser your such blowhard, lmao, well whatever your thinking, know this, I have been around long enough to know that bitching doesn’t do an ounce of good, go nowhere petitions haven't helped, so what type of ACTIONS can be taken to move the needle back into our favor regarding supplements, hormones, and all things health, fitness and bodybuilding alike? Or do we just roll over, and let the younger generation get fat and die young?

    Im serious! And again, I hope Geoff Roberts doesn’t take offense to my comments on his article, as I know him to be a solid well informed and intended individual, but for the love of GOD, its depressing to see the same exact article written by different authors that spans the course of 15 plus years!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Presser View Post
    I wouldn’t use the word “bestowed” lmao, but point taken and great read, Just Like the other 500 or so Articles I have read on this EXACT SUBJECT, SAYING EXACTLY THE SAME THING over the last idk 15 years or so...!

    Now to my point, lol, which isn’t what you likely think it is, as I am NOT bashing the Author for writing the same shit we have all read countless times! My point is, or rather what I have taken notice of is that We, You, Me, and The Supplement Industry Are Always crying about this type of bullshit, and many authors over many years have written many articles on the same exact thing, But.....what have we done about it? What can we do about it? Thats what I want to start reading about! Sure this type of information is important to write about for the newer generation who might not understand how things work yet, but for guys like myself, who live and breath a healthy lifestyle where its not just a phase, but a way of life, what are we going to do about it? Thats what I want to start reading about, ideas that can become actions!

    I know, Presser, your such a Debby downer, or maybe Presser your such blowhard, lmao, well whatever your thinking, know this, I have been around long enough to know that bitching doesn’t do an ounce of good, go nowhere petitions haven't helped, so what type of ACTIONS can be taken to move the needle back into our favor regarding supplements, hormones, and all things health, fitness and bodybuilding alike? Or do we just roll over, and let the younger generation get fat and die young?

    Im serious! And again, I hope Geoff Roberts doesn’t take offense to my comments on his article, as I know him to be a solid well informed and intended individual, but for the love of GOD, its depressing to see the same exact article written by different authors that spans the course of 15 plus years!
    I agree with you. So what are your ideas on how we combat this shit?
    I get it but the issue is so big really. It comes down to the media (who's job it is to sensationalize b.s. to get John Q public upset enough to stay glued to there dramatization of their view of "facts" so as to fulfill their personal agenda and then sell commercial spots.) Plus big government (PAC's) being controlling and interfering.
    I agree with you its our own fault and we are the only ones who can change it but I am clueless as to how and worried about future generations.
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    What does anyone know about some of the supplements being sold in the UK and Europe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by drtbear1967 View Post
    What does anyone know about some of the supplements being sold in the UK and Europe?
    Didn't read article lol! Will just getting off.
    Alot of prohormones and designer steroids are available in UK. Alot of them are good really food. I used them when they were legal here. I am familiar with just about all of them.

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    I used the the dmaa is what used to be in alot of pre-workouts I used to buy from local shops that carried them. Now I don't waste money on pre-workout because all good ingredients banned

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron-game View Post
    I agree with you. So what are your ideas on how we combat this shit?
    I get it but the issue is so big really. It comes down to the media (who's job it is to sensationalize b.s. to get John Q public upset enough to stay glued to there dramatization of their view of "facts" so as to fulfill their personal agenda and then sell commercial spots.) Plus big government (PAC's) being controlling and interfering.
    I agree with you its our own fault and we are the only ones who can change it but I am clueless as to how and worried about future generations.
    The only way to combat this is to get rid of stupid people, I am serious............you know the ones that get wipped into a frenzy and then get their elected offical wipped into a frenzy.................For the love of Christ, think of all the children.

    If people would educate themselves, not with information that fits their intentions or preconceived ideas, but also the counterpoints and really discuss topics..................sorry I will get off my soap box. I stand by get rid of stupid people!
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by yellow snow View Post
    The only way to combat this is to get rid of stupid people, I am serious............you know the ones that get wipped into a frenzy and then get their elected offical wipped into a frenzy.................For the love of Christ, think of all the children.

    If people would educate themselves, not with information that fits their intentions or preconceived ideas, but also the counterpoints and really discuss topics..................sorry I will get off my soap box. I stand by get rid of stupid people!
    You can't beat the truth. People in general have become such sheep, sorry. It's just true, no independent thought.
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    It all goes back to the same thing. If something works and we can lose weight we can gain muscle be can benefit...
    No we cannot we gotta go thru dr get it from pharm...
    What I will do about it the same as I have been. Supply always meets demand and I help create demand.
    Stop steroids and other PED's lmao if they can't stop coke, heroin then it will come in.
    Priorities they should get them straight seriously.
    I can go to anti aging client get hgh but can't afford!!! Then why can't I search the market and get it where I can afford!!!!
    I still can and prolly will but yes something needs to change.
    There are people protesting against the president...
    Well shouldn't we do something to decriminalize person use.
    Like mentioned if it our health that is the concern then make it mandatory to enforce people to be healthy.
    If I wanna buy something from over seas that is cheaper than anti aging gh for example that should be my right!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Muscle mechanic View Post
    Like mentioned if it our health that is the concern then make it mandatory to enforce people to be healthy.
    If I wanna buy something from over seas that is cheaper than anti aging gh for example that should be my right!!!


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    I think it is legal to import gh for personal use, 3-6 months usage. I can't remember.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yellow snow View Post
    I think it is legal to import gh for personal use, 3-6 months usage. I can't remember.
    I know that was the case for drugs about 15 years ago. As long as the drug was fda approved you could have brought a 90 day supply over the border. Oh I really miss Laredo..
     

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