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    Proviron is a synthetic, orally effective androgen which does not have any anabolic characteristics. Proviron is used in school medicine to ease or cure disturbances eaused by a deficiency of male sex hormones. Many athletes, for this reason, often use Proviron at the end of a steroid treatment in order to increase the reduced testosterone production. This, however is not a good idea since Proviron has no effect on the body's own testosterone production but-as mentioned in the beginning-only reduces or completely eliminates the dysfunctions caused by the testosterone deficiency. These are in particular impotence which is mostly caused by an androgen deficiency that can occur after the discontinuance of steroids, and infertility which manifests itself in a reduced sperm count and a reduced sperm quality. Proviron is therefore taken during a steroid administration or after discontinuing the use of the steroids, to eliminate a possible impotency or a reduced sexual interest. This, however does not contribute to the maintainance of strength and muscle mass after the treatment. There are other better suited compounds for this (see HCG and Clomid). For this reason Proviron is unfortunately cunsidered by many to be a useless and unnecessary compound.

    You should be aware that Proviron is also an estrogen antagonist which prevents the aromatization of steroids. Unlike the antiestrogen Nolvadex which only blocks the estrogen receptors (see Nolvadex) Proviron already prevents the aromatizing of steroids. Therefore gynecomastia and increased water retention are successfully blocked. Since Proviron strongly suppresses the forming of estrogens no rebound effect occurs after discontinuation of use of the compound as is the case with, for example, Nolvadex where an aromatization of the steroids is not prevented. One can say that Nolvadex cures the problem of aromatization at its root while Nolvadex simply cures the symptoms. For this reason male athletes should prefer Proviron to Nolvadex. With Proviron the athlete obtains more muscle hardness since the androgen level is increased and the estrogen concentration remains low. This, in particular, is noted positively during the preparation for a competition when used in combination with a diet. Female athletes who naturally have a higher estrogen level often supplement their steroid intake with Proviron resulting in an increased muscle hardness. In the past it was common for bodybuilders to take a daily dose of one 25 mg tablet over several weeks, sometimes even months, in order to appear hard all year round. This was especially important for athletes appearances at guest performances, seminars and photo sessions. Today Clenbuterol is usually taken over the entire year since possible virilization symptoms cannot occur which is not yet the case with Proviron. Since Proviron is very effective male athletes usually need only 50 mg/day which means that the athlete usually takes one 25 mg tablet in the morning and another 25 mg tablet in the evening. In some cases one 25 mg tablet per day is sufficient. When combining Proviron with Nolvadex (50 mg Proviron/day and 20 mg Nolvadex/day) this will lead to an almost complete suppression of estrogen.

    The side effects of Proviron in men are low at a dosage of 2-3 tablets/day so that Proviron, taken for example in combination with a steroid cycle, can be used comparatively without risk over several weeks. Since Proviron is well-tolerated by the liver liver dysfunctions do not occur in the given dosages. For athletes who are used to acting under the motto "more is better" the intake of Proviron could have a paradoxical effect. The most common side effect of Proviron-or in this case, secondary symptom- is in part a distinct sexual overstimulation and in some cases continuous penis erection. Since this condition can be painful and lead to possible damages, a lower dosage or discontinuing the compound are the only sensible solutions. Female athletes should use Proviron with caution since possible androgenic side effects cannot be excluded. Women who want to give Proviron a try should not take more than one 25 mg tablet per day. Higher dosages and periods of intake of more than four weeks considerably increase the risk of virilization symptoms. Female athletes who have no difficulties with Proviron obtain good results with 25 mg Proviron/day and 20 mg Nolvadex/day and, in combination with a diet, report an accelerated fat breakdown and continuously harder muscles.


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    Good stuff....there should be a posting describing anti-e's, and AI's and the difference in them.I think alot of people are confused about the characteristics.

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    Default Nolvadex

    here's a little write up about nolvadex.

    Nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate) aka: Nolva


    DESCRIPTION

    This remedy is somewhat different from others since it is not an anabolic/androgenic steroid. For male and female bodybuilders, however, it is a very useful and recommended compound which is confirmed by its widespread use and mostly positive results. Nolvadex belongs to the group of sex hormones and is a so-called antiestrogen. The normal application of Nolvadex is in the treatment of certain forms of breast cancer in female patients. With Nolvadex it is possible to reverse an existing growth process of deceased tissue and prevent further growth. The growth of certain tissues is stimulated by the body's own estrogen hormone. This is especially true for the breast glands in men and women since the body has a large number of estrogen receptors at these glands which can bond with the estrogens present in the blood. If the body's own estrogen level is unusu-ally high an undesired growth of breast glands occurs. However, in healthy women and particularly in men this is not the case. Despite this, it is mostly male bodybuilders who use Nolvadex, and fewer women. At first sight this seems somewhat inconceivable but when taking a closer look, the reasons are clear. Bodybuilders who take Nolvadex also use anabolic steroids at the same time. Since most steroids aromatize more or less strongly, i.e. part of the substance is converted into estrogens, male bodybuilders can experience a significant elevation in the normally very low estrogen level. This can lead to feminization symptoms such as gynecomastia (growth of breast glands), increased fat deposits and higher water retention.

    The antiestrogen Nolvadex works against this by blocking the estrogen receptors of the effected body tissue, thereby inhibiting a bonding of estrogens and receptor. It is, however, important to understand that Nolvadex does not prevent the aromatization but only acts as an estrogen antagonist. This means that it does not prevent testosterone and its synthetic derivatives (steroids) from converting into estrogens but only fights with them in a sort of "competition" for the estrogen receptors. This characteristic has the disadvantage that after the discontinuance of Nolvadex a "rebound effect" can occur which means that the suddenly freed estrogen receptors are now able to absorb the estrogen present in the blood. For this reason the combined intake of Proviron is suggested (see Proviron.) Nolvadex is also useful during a diet since it helps in the burning of fat. Although Nolvadex has no direct fat burning effect its antiestrogenic effect contributes to keeping the estrogen level as low as possible. Nolvadex should especially be taken together with the strong an-drogenic steroids Dianabol and Anadrol 50, and the various testosterone compounds. Athletes who have a tendency to retain water and who have a mammary dysfunction should take Nolvadex as a prevention during every steroid intake. Since Nolvadex is very affective in most cases it is no wonder that several athletes can take Anadrol 50 and Dianabol until the day of a competition, and in combination with a diuretic still appear totally ripped in the limelight. Those who already have a low body fat content will achieve a visibly improved muscle hardness with Nolvadex.

    Several bodybuilders like to use Nolvadex at the end of a steroid cycle since it increases the body's own testosterone production -which will be discussed in more detail in the following to counter-act the side effects caused by the estrogens. These can occur after the discontinuance of steroids when the androgen level in relationship to the estrogen concentration is too low and estrogen becomes the dominant hormone. A very rare but all the more serious problem of Nolvadex is that in some cases it does not lower the estrogen level but can increase it. Another disadvantage is that it can weaken the anabolic effect of some steroids. The reason is that Nolvadex, as we know, reduces the estrogen level. The fact is, however, that certain steroids especially the various testosterone compounds can only achieve their full effect if the estrogen level is sufficiently high. Those who are used to the intake of larger amounts of various steroids do not have to worry about this. Athletes however, who predominantly use mild steroids such as Primobolan, Winstrol, Oxandrolone, and Deca-Durabolin should carefully consider whether or not they should take Nolvadex since, due to the compound's already moderate anabolic effect, an additional loss of effect could take place, leading to unsatisfying results.

    A rarely observed but welcome characteristic of Nolvadex is that it has a direct influence on the hypothalamus and thus, by an in-creased release of gonadotropine, it stimulates the testosterone production in the testes. This does not result in a tremendous but still a measurable increase of the body's own testosterone. This effect, however, is not sufficient to significantly increase the testosterone production reduced by anabolic/androgenic steroids.

    SIDE EFFECTS

    The side effects of Nolvadex are usually low in dosages of up to 30 mg/day In rare cases nausea, vomiting, hot flashes, numbness, and blurred vision can occur. In women irregular menstrual cycles can occur which manifest themselves in weaker menstrual bleeding or even complete missing of a period. Women should also be careful not to get pregnant while taking Nolvadex. It is important for fe-male athletes that Nolvadex and the "pill" not be taken together since the antiestrogen Nolvadex and the estrogen-containing pill negatively counterfeit each other.

    DOSAGE

    The normal daily dosage taken by athletes corresponds more or less to the dosage indications of the manufacturer and is 10-30 mg/day To prevent estrogenic side ef-fects normally 10 mg/day are sufficient, a dosage which also keeps low the risk of reducing the effect of simultaneously taken steroids. Often it is sufficient if the athlete begins this preventive intake of Nolvadex only three to four weeks after the intake of anabolics. Athletes who have tendencies toward gynecomastia, strong water retention, and increased fat deposits with steroids such as Dianabol, Testosterone, Anadrol 50, and Deca-Durabolin usually take 20-30 mg/day The combined application of Nolvadex 20-30 mg/day and Proviron 25-50 mg/day in these cases leads to excellent results. The same is true for athletes who are in competition, and for women. Women, however, should do without the intake of Proviron or at least reduce the dose to one 25 mg tablet per day. Unfortunately, in most cases, a very pronounced gynecomastia ("bitch tits") cannot be reduced by taking Nolvadex so that often surgery is required, surgery which is not paid for by health insurance. First signs of a possible gynecomastia are light pain when touching the nipples. The tablets are usually taken 1-2 x daily, swallowed whole without chewing, with some liquid during meals.


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    old but worth a bump
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    Proviron is good for a cut, good for reducing water retention. Because it acts on the receptor level against estrogen, like endogenous DHT, it can certainly help prevent or reverse in some cases, gyno. Proviron is somewhat of an aphrodisiac as well, although personally, I think masteron is better in this regard - and for w/e reason, I don't get blood pressure spikes as much with mast.
    Mast seems to create a better endorphin rush than proviron as well....and will contribute to giving you a personality similar to Bane...calm and collected yet alpha as hell.
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    who or what is Bane bro?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Presser View Post
    who or what is Bane bro?
    Bane...batman comics..dark knight rises movie etc
    Though the depiction of him in the recent movie was more like scorpion from mk...and tbh, I'm not so sure I wonder why. this version is more realistic
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    Very good Female proviron cycles information.
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    new year coming, so why not bump something for the ladies trying to get into shape
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    proviron as it says has NO anabolic activity, and i would say this would be a good treatment along with cialis , viagra, levitra to help boost a mans labido aka sex drive.

    Im bumping this for the member who just posted that he had a low libido and then asked if cialis would help. So the answer is NO! The definition of Libido is ( sexual desire ) another words, what good is cialis if you dont even want to have sex. Cialis and the like are to help guys who want to have sex, who have a sex drive and are actually horny, but have a hard time getting an erection, this is what cialis and the like are for, to help get blood flow to the penis.

    So i would say Proviron is a much better choice for men who have a LOW LIBIDO
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    Does anyone have any idea how provi works with arimidex? Overkill or synergistic?
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    ARIMIDEX JUST STOPS THE CONVERSION OF TESTOSTERONE TO ESTROGEN AS FAR AS I KNOW THEIR WOULD BE NO BENEFIT USING THAT WITH PROVIRON ALONE, AND DO NOT THINK THERE WOULD BE ANY NEGATIVE FEEDBACK EITHER,

    GOOD QUESTION THOUGH, I WILL BUMP IT FOR THOSE WHO HAVE RUN THEM TOGETHER FOR A MORE PERSONAL EXPERIENCED ANSWER,
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    I ran both together with test. Added in the proviron later in the cycle while being on adex the whole time. The big difference I noticed was a HUGE increase in libido and I held a little less water. Nothing crazy tho. I think they just work to do different things. Adex stops the conversion from test to est, and proviron lowers SBHG and is purely androgenic so it WILL NOT convert to estrogen. So I guess theyd be somewhat synergistic.

    Also remember, proviron is methyl-dht. SO it's gonna have the similar effects as other dht compounds, just not as pronounced as winny or mast
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    Quote Originally Posted by FooterDan View Post
    I ran both together with test. Added in the proviron later in the cycle while being on adex the whole time. The big difference I noticed was a HUGE increase in libido and I held a little less water. Nothing crazy tho. I think they just work to do different things. Adex stops the conversion from test to est, and proviron lowers SBHG and is purely androgenic so it WILL NOT convert to estrogen. So I guess theyd be somewhat synergistic.

    Also remember, proviron is methyl-dht. SO it's gonna have the similar effects as other dht compounds, just not as pronounced as winny or mast
    Good to know, everyone says Proviron helped their libido, appreciate the info

    isnt it also proviron that guys say their cum load volume goes way up while cycling it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Presser View Post
    Good to know, everyone says Proviron helped their libido, appreciate the info

    isnt it also proviron that guys say their cum load volume goes way up while cycling it?
    Multiple orgasms as well. Which is hard to do at 40+.
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    how did i miss this, lol, so your saying proviron is responsible for multiple orgasms, lol, no way, really?
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    gave me the old i forgot to go back and answer the proviron orgasm question lol,

    bumping this shit
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    Oral Primobolan stacked with Proviron (Beginner lean mass cycle - Oral Only)

    Female Oral Only Steroid Cycle for Lean Muscle Mass Gains.

    Womens Proviron Primo steroid stack is good for beginners to intermediate athletes and bodybuilders.

    Primobolan is a great steroid for any females cycle, though one of the more expensive steroids , if you can however find the real deal, this is a fanatastic option for longer duration steroid cycles. One of the more favorabe females steroids due to its Low side effects associated with running this compound, and for men mild on HPTA and no way should gynecomastia be a concern.
    You will not get dianabol like quick bloating gains from primobolan but whatever gains you do get by way of lean hard muscle, they are permanent gans and your to keep even after this cycle. Primo is a steroid best suited for those with disciplined diet, and training habits!

    Primo is easy on the liver due to it not being a 17 aa steroid. Clomid and Nolvadex are more than ample for either sex wanting to run PCT

    For this cycle you will need the following:

    Oral P.P. Cycle:
    Primobolan
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    20 Week Long Duration Lean Gains P.P. CYCLE
    Week Primobolan Proviron
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    4 200mg 140mg
    5 250mg 140mg
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