Crazy cycle

finephysique

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Here is an extract from anabolic extreme which outlines one big mofo of a cycle. If anyone wants to give me everything I am prepared to try it :eek:

By Jason Mueller

Week 1
Previous cycling strategies have always advocated starting at a low dose, peaking after several weeks, and then cycling down. However, since you are coming off of a layoff and are in an extremely catabolic state, you have the most potential for growth during the first few weeks of any cycle. Additionally, your receptors should be fully open, ready to receive the wonderful goodness you are about to give them. We start with 3000 mg a week of a long acting androgen like Sustanon. This should be divided up into 2 or 3 doses throughout the week do avoid any kind of reaction from too large of an injection. Orals should be consumed at a level of 50 mg of either methandrostenolone or oxymethalone per day. Training at this point should be intense, utilizing drop sets and pre-exhaustion, while training as heavy as possible. Eat like a pig, keeping the protein intake high. You will still be slightly lethargic as the DNP clears from your system during the first three days of this cycle. (For those of you who are scratching your head, see Issue I, Insulin and DNP)

Week 2
You should be feeling pretty good by now as the androgens have hit your system. Starting with week two, you'll add 50 mcg of T3 thyroid and 500 mg of cytadren a day to your cycle. Additionally, your intake of long acting androgens should increase to 3500 mg a week. Orals are increased to either 75 mg of methandrostenolone or 100 mg of oxymetholone a day.

Week 3
You've now been on for fourteen days and growth should be progressing nicely. Food intake should be at its peak, as the heavy androgen load has increased your ability to consume massive quantities of food. Training should be very intense, as your strength continues to rise. At the beginning of week three, your injections of long acting androgens increases to its peak of 4000 mg per week. Orals are increased to either 100 mg of methandrostenolone or 150 mg of oxymetholone per week. 400 mg of deca should be introduced this week. Intake of T3 and cytadren remain constant. Two shots of HCG should be taken this week in divided dosages of either 1500 or 2500 iu's each dose, depending on the brand of HCG you are using.

Week 4
This week marks the beginning of insulin use during the cycle. You should have been off of insulin for three full weeks by now (See Issue I, Insulin and DNP). It's difficult to recommend proper doses of insulin and each individual must tailor their use to their own response. Some respond better to smaller doses, while others must take large doses of insulin to get the same result. Since this cycle is designed for advanced bodybuilders, this is probably not the first time you are using insulin. An average dose this week would be 20 iu's a day divided between two 10 iu doses. Insulin should be taken fairly early in the day to avoid getting low in the evening while asleep. Levels of other drugs should remain at week 3 levels, with the exception of deca, which is increased to 600 mg per week. This week totals out at approximately 5500 mg per week of steroid. Clomid use starts this week at 50 mg every other day.

Week 5
This is the last week long acting androgens are used. Levels of testosterone administration is decreased to 3000 mg per week. Orals should remain at week 3 and 4 levels. Administration of deca is increased to 1200 mg per week. Insulin is increased to 30 iu's a day, divided into three daily doses of 10 iu's. Again, it may be necessary to adjust insulin use according to your personal response. Intake of T3 should be reduced to 25 mcg a day and cytadren to 250 mg a day. Clomid use is raised to 50 mg every day.

Week 6
This week you'll start using medium acting testosterone esters like cypionate or enanthate. These should be used on an alternating day basis at a level of 800 mg every other day. The chart above shows levels of testosterone in the body after using cypionate or enanthate and clearly shows why we dose every other day. Levels peak after the second day of administration and fall rapidly thereafter. Doses of orals are reduced to either 75 mg of methandrostenolone or 100 mg of oxymetholone per day. Deca remains at 1200 mg a week. Injectable winstrol is added at a level of 50 mg every other day. Insulin use should peak at 40 iu's a day, divided among four 10 iu dosages throughout the day. Again, adjust this figure accordingly. T3 and cytadren levels remain at week 5 levels. HCG is again administered in two divided doses of either 1500 or 2500 iu's. Clomid is not used this week.

Week 7
The cypionate or enanthate is continued at 800 mg every other day. Orals are further reduced to 50 mg of methandrostenolone or oxymetholone per day. Injectable winstrol is increased to 50 mg every day. Deca is increased to 1600 mg per week. T3 is reduced to 25 mcg every other day and cytadren to 250 mg every other day. Insulin continues at 40 iu's per day in divided dosages. Clomid is started again at the increased dose of 100 mg per day.

Week 8
Cypionate or enanthate is cut back to 400 mg every other day. Propionate is added to the tune of 200 mg every day. Doses of orals continue at week 7 levels. Injectable winstrol is increased to 100 mg per day. Deca is dropped completely, its long life in the body doesn't require that it be administered for the last two weeks. T3 and cytadren are stopped completely, tamoxifen should be added at 60 mg a day. Insulin should be cut back to one 10 iu dose a day. Clomid is continued at 100 mg per day.

Week 9
The cypionate or enanthate is cut completely and propionate is upped to 300 mg every day through the fourth day of this week. Suspension is added this week at 100 mg per day, taken in divided dosages of 50 mg twice a day. On day five of this week, propionate is dropped. Winstrol remains at 100 mg per day and tamoxifen remains at 60 mg per day. For our purposes, week 9 should actually be a 10 day week. Over the last five days of this week, suspension and winstrol should be reduced to zero levels by day 10. Tamoxifen continues at 60 mg per day during the three week off period. Clomid is continued through the end of the week at 100 mg per day.

Obviously the above cycle is designed with the elite level bodybuilder in mind. Dosages can be moved up or down according to your personal goals, drug availability, etc. As was stated in the beginning of this article, everyone responds differently to different drugs and there may be a drug that works particularly well for you. In the next issue of Anabolic Extreme, we'll expand on this article and explain the why's of this cycle. Furthermore we'll get into GH use and some drugs that work particularly well for everyone. Finally, we'll discuss the secrets to keeping the mass you've gained on your cycle during the three week clean out period before the next growing phase. Stay tuned!!
 
Since I have been a modertator at AE since the beginning( Press was around there as well) I tried this cycle some years back.
I can tell you that I went from 225 to 285 over 12 weeks( I actually extended the cycle by 4 weeks). If I did this cycle again, I would definitely add some femara to the mix as well as IGF. While I liked the results and felt like a bloated pig most of the time, I had some serious issues with too much protein intake and so much rapid weight gain.
It was the first time I really pushed the limits on usage before.
I eventually got all my blood tests back in line after a few months and stabilized at about 270ish but still uncomfortable. I am doing a modified version of this cycle this time around with a lot of the same components with the reaching the 275-280 goal again. I have 7 more months to reach it before precontest begins and am sitting at 257 as of this morning after being on for 2 months.
FP, if you decide to do it, listen to your body.
After Jason had his health problems, he toned down the extreme part and went to modifed dosages. for about 98% of the membership here, this cycle is too much and this post should be only anecdotal. When Jason said elite level, that is what he means...
 
body2see said:
3000mgs of sust per week huh???

I disagree with any use at this amount. 1gram in my personal opinion is too much, let alone 3grams. When you abuse anything, you will ultimately pay the price.

You are correct- however this cycle was written at a time where we were extreme at AE. Over time and trial and error the tone changed. Again, I will reiterate that the original published cycle was for extremely advanced users.
As I said before for 98% of the members, this cycle would be way too too much.
 
I have never went above 1g of sust, and never above 2.5g total, I may go to this level on day but at present I feel I will be fine upping my doses by 250-500 mg per cycle. Were your blood results okay after these doses MMX? Were you able to function normally on this dose, I ran 2.5g of test one week and about a week later I was too bloated, admittedly I did not have MC's liqui-fem then
 
No... blood results and liver panels were 2x out of the acceptable ranges.
BP was slightly evelvatged but nothing extreme.
I did not have femara at the time either, and even though I functioned ok on the outside some major crap was going on in the inside. It took about six months for everything to normalize again.
 
I think we all have to venture out and find out ... unfortunately for me , it was not a good thing...
 
Some day I will probably try something crazy just to see how I respond, at the minute my recent discovery of MC's IGF has been enough to push me to a new level physique wise
 
if you get good results with a gram a week, why bother trying to go any higher. the doses in this read were insane. well you do read that some of the pros do a gram a day
 
Wow, that's quite a cycle. I doubt many bros here go over 1 gm of test. A toned down version of this cycle sounds like it would be excellent to try.
 
MMX - thanks for giving us your real world experience with this. It makes a big difference hearing how a cycle effected someone.

Like a lot of the folks here, I haven't gone over 1 g of T and 2.5 g total. Keeps sides down and keeps me from having to use more and more. This cycle sounds crazy for me - I am almost 40 and got into this to be healthy.

My GUESS is that if you cut out the orals, this cycle would be a WHOLE lot easier on the body. The orals are what can hurt your liver (and dbal can fuck with your BP).

Generally speaking, I prefer to have many things stacked than a whole lot of one thing. For me, at least, it keeps the sides down. I am also not looking to weigh a whole lot more than I do now (200), though I do want some strength gains.
 
Man talk about old boards and names, the information on steroid usage is still good though!
 
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