Whats up guys. Primo/test question.

Whats goin on guys, ive been a member for a few months just reading threads, and running a bunch of searches. I am a newbie to the game, ran a few prohormone cycles and feel im ready for my first real cycle.
Heres what i know..
500 mg Test E is the most recomended cycle for a newbie.
I understand why test is so important and why it is the most effective.
I got puberty induced gyno when i was around 14 or 15. You cant see it by looking but the fatty ball is there. I think i might be prone to estro sides.
I am most definitley going to run test as my first cycle, but i was wondering if it would be ok to maybe run a low dose test of say 250-300 mg, with a mild androgenic like primo. As far as i know my sourse is trustworthy, and has no complaints, so thought i have my doubts i think i have a good chance at getting legit primo. I was thinking something like this.

250-300 mg Test E ew
400 mg Primo EW
A-dex at .5 mg eod.
I am planningon 10 weeks

The Primo will be Primobol 100 BD
The Test will be ICN by Galenika

PCT
Nolva at 40, 40, 20, 20, and maybe some HCG towards end of cycle depending on if i see any atrophy

What do you guys think. I went with the Primo over Equipoise cause of aromotisation, if i wanted another aromatisable steroid i woulda just stuck with 500 mg of test. What do you guys htink of those doses, and what can i expect form that, any input would really be appreciated, thanks guys.

Stats:
22 yrs old
190 lbs
8.9% BF, just got it tested today
5'8

I would completely redo that PCT and YOU will have shrinkage with ANY Cycle b/c ALL AAS shuts you down.

I'd say based off of your info, your previous experience.. the cycle itself sounds like it's well thought out! ... the pct as fonz said.. needs to be thought about a little more... you aren't just going to need things to prevent post cycle estrogen increase... you're going to need products that will get your axis back to the way it should be...

gotta get them boys hanging a little more.. do more HCG/Clomid research... fonz had a GREAT article on PCT and getting a jumpstart on getting your boys back in play as quickly as possible... might want to check it out..

In regards to actually doing primo.. I've never done it.. so i can't say how the affects of the two are going to act together but, i like the fact that you're not doing overkill on your first cycle... ANY AAS use on your first cycle will produce great results as long as you finish correctly.. look into clomid and hcg use post cycle or you're going to wish you had some handy when you lose a large potential of your gains..

EDIT** on thing you may want to concider and all comments welcome on this.. is .. if you ARE prone to est based gyno... even though you're running 10 weeks... NOT TO MENTION you're not running 500+mg/week of test.. you may want to concider using cyp... kicks in about 12-13 days.. leaves your system a little faster so if there are issues out of your control, it may be easier TO control... .. just a quick thought, but enanthate is a great test as far as i'm concerned...

Thanks alot for the replies guys, my biggest concern was that the test was TOO low. I heard alot of horror stories about clomid. Like depression and shit like that.What have your past experiences with clomid been. I will def look for the article , thanks for the advice, anyhtng else you guys can add would stil be appreciaed.

I will say this.. in regards to depression.. there may be a certain amount of 'downtime' that come associated with the lowered levels of test... i used to joke around and say i was all 'clomidy'... meaning emotional and feel all distressed... haha... BUT, i mentally prepared myself for it ahead of time... I can tell you that MENTALLY just as much as physically before every cycle I have to prepare before doing it.. you MUST realize that emotionally and psychologically you will have some 'downtime' and/or a depressed like state... now is this true for everyone.. not sure.. but I always got myself prepared for the worst.. so when the time came... it wasn't NEARLY as bad as I had every prepared myself for... that's just my own personal experiences...

The thing about test... i wouldn't do any less than 300... and i'd honestly venture to say, maybe 2 shots of cyp 200 or something of that nature a week.. might ... and i say might be where you want it to be.. but the fact that it is a faster acting ester, also means you can control the higher dose out of yoru system a little faster should you see any side effects.. (especially due to your natural disposition towards estro)... once again.. just another though... 250 might be a little light.. 300 would be more towards your goal number if not 400mg/s ... any others wanna chime in here.. of course.. i'm not arguing either.. lol good luck

Thanks again. As far s estro control goes, i was first set on arimidex, but saw a post for a product AIFM, its topical. I was wondering if you have heard anything about it, i was also wondering what some of your favorite AI's during cycle are. Letro, adex, aromasin, which do you recomend the most. And i was also wondering what you thought the proper HCg use would be, would not running it cause that much more difficulty post cycle. None of my boys who use have ever ran it and swear that they feel fine. Alot of posts at other forums that i have looked through said there was no need to combine two SERM'spost cycle, that using clomid and nolva together was unneccesary. If you were me, how would you set up your PCT.

here is my advice. test 500. period. Not worth effecting natural production for anything less. #2 I'd can the primo and add the eq. Save the primo for later, cutter or a bridge. Bump that eq up to 600. I'm sure there will be some disagreement here, but I love eq, but not much happens at 400. Also, I pefer femera, 2.5 EOD should do it with no worries but NEVER start a cycle without nolv on hand. Better to be prepared just incase you are the one exception.

now to depression post cycle. 5htp has done a lot for me when this sets in. Search the forum, you'll find the info you need on it, can be bought affordable online.

Santo224 said:

I got puberty induced gyno when i was around 14 or 15. You cant see it by looking but the fatty ball is there. I think i might be prone to estro sides.
I am most definitley going to run test as my first cycle, but i was wondering if it would be ok to maybe run a low dose test of say 250-300 mg, with a mild androgenic like primo. As far as i know my sourse is trustworthy, and has no complaints, so thought i have my doubts i think i have a good chance at getting legit primo. I was thinking something like this.




5'8

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lots of good replys here. Let me touch on something I didnt see anyone else talk about. Just because you got gyno as an adolescent, doesnt mean you are prone to gyno from gear. I got moderate gyno from adolescence. Ive never really had a gyno problem from gear. dbol, deca, decent test dosages....still nada.

so its not a given you will have problems.

Thanks again guys, i have read a bunch of PCT protocalls and threads just like it, but i was wondering what was wrong with running just nolva and HCG at the end of the cycle. You guys said to rethink my pct but im not exactly sure about what youguys want me to rethink, I REALLY appreciate the help, thanks.

I have read about guys experienceing some good gains off 250 mg test. I thought that adding the primo in there would help me stay hard and a little denser. I am a newbie and completely open to what you guys think i should do.

Hey Bro...I think the problem was no hCG use. You will have to use it for that long of a cycle.

Forget the Clomid if you are using Nolva...they are the same thing except Nolva is better...stronger.

If you want to keep it simple.....this is what I would recommend:

TestE 500mg
forget the AI
go with Masteron or Proviron.....not only are they very useful for combating estrogenic/progesteronic side, but they have very nice ability to add muscle hardness and density. Plus, they will free up more Test in your system.

How??

It attachs to the SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin) and albumin. Thus, it frees up test that is normal bound to SHBG....leaving larger amounts of free testosterone to mediate anabolic activities such as protein synthesis.

Have Nolva on hand (like always) and for PCT
hCG for PCT

Thats it.

How would you run the HCG, the whole way through? start half way through? or just around the last shot for the 2 weeks before nolva? Would I have to worry about increased androgenic sides using the proviron with the primo?

provin I beleive acts as a mild estrogen blocker or inhibitor, can't remember which. Leave the hcg alone if your worried about est sides, that will bring it on quick more often than not

forget the AI


Thats the worst advice I've heard you say yet. Please do not do this. Do yourself a favor and run fem or adex with your cycle. It may not be necesaary for everyone, but its a hellish cheap insurance that you won't be sharing bras with you girlfreind.

haha, thanks brew, which would you prefer as your AI, im going back and forth betwen letro, aromasin, and adex.thanks for the reply man.

Santo224 said:

haha, thanks brew, which would you prefer as your AI, im going back and forth betwen letro, aromasin, and adex.thanks for the reply man.

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arimidex works well from personal use. letro is supposed to be the "strongest".
aromasin is the most expensive of the 3 I believe (depending on where you go), but its supposed to be real effective with minimal sides. Sides mostly being noticeable via bloodwork.

I wouldn't do any test at less than 400mg - 500mg a week beginner or not. I think you will be very UNhappy with your results. If you are going to add EQ which I recommend you do I'd say it would be OK to keep the test on the lower side becuase you'll get very good results off of 600mg of EQ but you need to use Proviron at 25mg a day. I have had decent results with Primo but nothing to write home about so I would skip it too.

Why do you say i need proviron, wouldnt an AI do the same, unless you think proviron works better. I seem to be getting alot of differebt opinions here.

not to confuse you or hijack your thread.. i thought you might want to check this out...

http://board1.mantisforums.com/upload/showthread.php?p=375009#post375009

i put this up there to try and do some extra research on your PCT concerns... and came up with a 'devils' advocate' style approach to help you 'think about' what will work best with your body.. it's not meant to confuse you.. but it's really meant to help you truely figure out what will be best for YOU!

now.. some of your bro's .. who said, they don't do this or that and they feel fine... that's a very irresponsible(sp?) approach to the game... you wouldn't be here if you felt that they the right opinion on everything and on YOUR situation.. i'm glad you're here asking.. and to be honest.. the more you know, the less you can trust your 'buddies' and figure out what will work best for you bro...

hope this helps on some extra understanding PCT stuff as well...

Stickler, thanks for the link man. I appreciate the help.

There isnt much difference in strength when it comes to a-dex, letro, or aromasin. Any of the three work, and if cost is an issue i would go a-dex or letro b/c a-sin costs more.

And if your running a mild cycle you could run HCG during the middle and again at the end of the cycle but I find it works better to run HCG throughout. I would run HCG @ 250iu's 2x wk for the entire test/ eq cycle.