New Whey protein

found new protein, called New Whey Liquid Protein. 42g of protein. Its green apple comes in 3.8 oz bottle. You guys know anything about it.
42g be a great way to up my protein intake. But I've never seen this kind. Any info is appreciated. Thanks.

IrishByBlood said:

found new protein, called New Whey Liquid Protein. 42g of protein. Its green apple comes in 3.8 oz bottle. You guys know anything about it.
42g be a great way to up my protein intake. But I've never seen this kind. Any info is appreciated. Thanks.

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look on the ingredients. does it say collagen anywhere on it?

complete protein matrix (IDS proprietary blend of collagen protien isolate, whey protien isolate, casein protien isolate), phosphoric acid, natural and artifical flavor, sucarlose sodium hexametaphosphate, acesulfane potasium, sodium benzoate, potasium sorbate, yellow 5 blue 1,

yeah, its one of those test tube proteins. the bioavailability of collagen protein isolate is low

mike ross said:

yeah, its one of those test tube proteins. the bioavailability of collagen protein isolate is low

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damn, i just bought 3 cases of this stuff. taste is great though

its protein, but like i said...theoretically you wont be able to utilize all 42g because the bioavailability is lower

Great info!

Good to know, I have tried those and it's nice for on the go, but obviously not exactly what you want. They're good in a pinch though

mike ross said:

its protein, but like i said...theoretically you wont be able to utilize all 42g because the bioavailability is lower

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How much would you say is actually utilized? I've always stayed away from those kind of protein drinks for that reason... I was told your body doesn't get near that amount of protein in that form.

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I've also stayed away from those kinds of protein because its fucked up my stomach in a bad way. Instant colon blow for real.

LeatherHead said:

How much would you say is actually utilized? I've always stayed away from those kind of protein drinks for that reason... I was told your body doesn't get near that amount of protein in that form.

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from another board because i was lazy and didnt want to type me own reply


The collagen does not have all the amino acids that your body needs in order to be able to absorb the protein, so it is basically useless to you. Evidence for this (limited to the sources that are available to everyone on the ingternet) are below.

First, however, please note that there is a newer protein bullet where they are claiming that it is not collagen protein (they call it some kind of peptide instead) and that is has all of the essential amino acids. The manufacturers refuse to respond to requests for PDCAAS or amino acid info on their product, however, so until I see it, I will not believe it. I think they are using a marketing loophole since the small amount of whey protein in it does have all of the amino acids (but that does not make up for what the much larger percentage of collagen protein does NOT have).

Ok, the facts:

First of all, Actinase is simply the registered name given to a particular blend of protein, and it is the manufacturer of the products that use it who are claiming that it is a complete protein, but by nature collagen does NOT have all 9 essential amino acids and has a pathetic PDCAAS score of 0.08 (and just because the whey forms of protein that are mixed with it have all 9 amino acids does not raise the PDCAAS score (bioavailability) of the product as a whole).

As far as "evidence" for the poor bioavailability of collagen protein:
The PDCAAS score is used by the World Health Organization (and now the US FDA) to rate the bioavailability and amino acid content of protein sources. The PDCAAS score for collagen protein bioavailability is .08 vs. 1 for whey (on a scale of 0 -1, although occasionally the numbers will be multuplied by 100 and a 0-100 scale utiulized ).
See www.o-wm.com/content/understanding-protein-digestibility-corrected-amino-acid-score-pdcaas (which has references at the bottom) and Andrea's blog (wlsvitagarten.com/2010/01/15/protein-basics/) for basic information on protein and PDCAAS scores. At one point in time, when I was researching this, I was able to get a copy of the Schaafsma article used in that first link. I will look to see if I still have it (so perhaps I can scan it).
See www.bariatricadvantage.com/page/blog for a short chart of the protein content and PDCAAS score for common protein sources.
The score of collagen protein can be verified in the book Exercise & Sport Nutrition: Principles, Promises, Science, & Recommendations byRichard Kreider (PhD, FACSM, FISSN) books.google.com/books and at various internet resources such as thsi one where they sent samples of the bullets to be independently tested when the manufacturers would not give out then information:band2gether.net/showthread.php.
Some manufacturers have, however, even admitted in e-mail correspondence that the PDCAAS score for their product is next to nothing (see www.obesityhelp.com/forums/rny/4390669/PDCAA-score-for-Body- Fortress-Protein-Shots/ for the email response from the Body Fortress folks).

I never liked the looks of those just cause of the test tube look.. Bet chicks diggem
Out the recycle bin.lol..Great info from
the Ross man.

Buffalo said:

Great info!

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How many pallets did you buy from the muscletech lady at Gnc ? Lol